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Obama wins with the Catholic vote
patheos.com ^ | 11/7/12 | Deacon Greg Kandra

Posted on 11/07/2012 8:23:20 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM

Obama wins with the Catholic vote

November 7, 2012 By

Details, from Catholic News Agency:

The Catholic vote was divided much as was the rest of the nation’s voters, leaning slightly in favor of Obama. A final Gallup poll, reflecting tracking from Nov. 1 to 4, showed Catholics favoring Obama by 52 to 45 percent.

“The Catholic vote, like any number of votes, does have the potential to make an impact,” said Gregory Smith, a senior researcher who specializes in Catholic politics at the Pew Research Center’s Forum on Religion and Public Life.

While they do not vote as a unified group, Catholics are significant in elections because of their large numbers, making up approximately one in four U.S. voters, he said.

Smith said it is difficult to pinpoint what effect the contraception mandate and religious freedom issues are having on the Catholic vote this year.

And there’s this:

In his concession speech Tuesday night, Romney encouraged fellow Republicans to join him in praying for President Obama “and for this great nation.”

“We look for our pastors, priests, rabbis, and counselors of all kinds to testify of the enduring principles upon which our society is built: honesty, charity, integrity and family,” he said.

From the Catholic Sentinel:

The vote is still being parsed, but experts think the majority of the Catholic vote went for President Obama. Catholics who attend Mass weekly seem to have favored Romney.

Catholics represent more than a quarter of the electorate and have voted for the winner of the popular vote in every presidential election since at least 1972. Both campaigns conducted intense outreach to Catholic voters and had Catholic vice presidential nominees. Meanwhile, Hispanic voters also broke heavily for Obama by a 39-point margin.

Exit polls noted that the economy was a top issue and voters were evenly split over which man would do better at fixing it. But the president was seen by voters as more empathetic, some polls said.

It appeared Republicans would retain their majority in the House, and that Democrats would hold their lead  in the Senate.

It’s close, but Washington state voters appear to have approved same sex marriage in their state. Voters in Maryland and Maine made the same choice. That breaks a string of 32 losses in various states, including Oregon.

In all three states, the electorate countered an effort by Catholic bishops, who argued that marriage must abide by natural law. Baltimore Archbishop William Lori had priests read a letter in defense of traditional marriage from the pulpit.

Minnesota voters rejected a measure that would have defined marriage as between a man and a woman.

And from Huffington Post:

Despite strong assaults about everything from what opponents have called a “war on religion” for his healthcare reform policy’s provisions on contraception coverage and pastors’ protests against his support of same-sex marriage to questions over the his support of Israel and his relationship with Jewish voters, President Barack Obama was reelected to a second term Tuesday night with support from religious and especially nonreligious voters.

Obama carried Electoral College votes in several battleground states where religious voters were key parts of the electorate, including Catholic-heavy Ohio, evangelical-heavy Iowa, and Virignia. Another swing stage with a large population of religious voters, Florida, was too close to call by early Wednesday morning.

In his concession speech from Boston, Republican challenger and former Mass. Gov. Mitt Romney congratulated Obama, saying it was a time of “great challenges” in America and that “I pray the president will be successful in guiding our nation.” He thanked supporters for their prayers and said Americans will “look to our pastors and priest and rabbis and counselors of all kinds” as the nation moves on from the election. “Ann I join you to earnestly pray for him and for this great nation,” he said, asking God to “bless America.”

Speaking at his victory speech in Chicago, Obama thanked supporters and “every American who participated in this election,” saying that voters “reaffirmed the spirit that triumphs.” Returning to his motivational, pastor-like tone that was common in his first campaign, Obama referenced the American “belief that our destiny is shared” and said a sense of “love, charity, duty and patriotism” is the hallmark of the nation’s culture.

“Together, with your help and God’s grace we will continue our journey forward and remind the world just why it is that we live in the greatest nation on Earth. God bless you. God bless these United States,” Obama said.

Initial exit polls — which are expected to change through Wednesday as more results come in — showed a mix bag of support for Obama and Romney among religious voters. Among people who said they attend religious services weekly, for example, exit polls indicated Romney took a significant lead. But among voters who said they attend services “occasionally” or “never,” Obama had large leads.

Early exit poll results also showed Obama losing the overall white evangelical vote to Romney, but winning the overall Catholic vote by just a few points. Among Jewish voters, initial exit polls showed Obama having an overwhelming lead over Romney, but preliminary results also showed him winning a smaller percentage of the Jewish vote than he did four years ago.



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Although he again lost Protestant voters to his GOP opponent, Obama held onto his advantages among Catholic and Jewish voters. He won 70 percent of the Jewish vote, down from 78 percent in 2008, and he won Catholic voters 50 percent to 47 percent. Romney carried Protestant voters by a 13-point margin, 56 percent to 43 percent. (Source: Politico)

1 posted on 11/07/2012 8:23:25 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Kick out the pro abort politicians. That’s a start.


2 posted on 11/07/2012 8:25:04 AM PST by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws

I guess abortion, fags, condoms and free birth control matter more to catholic women than REAL things—they again voted with their “female parts” after all...

So long, america...


3 posted on 11/07/2012 8:28:46 AM PST by Rca2000 ( NEVER underestimate the power of "one little election", in WI.....)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

The American bishops let the ‘seamless garment’ social justice doctrine work its poison for so long, now they are mystified when Catholics help re-elect the most anti-Catholic president there ever was.


4 posted on 11/07/2012 8:29:03 AM PST by Lou Budvis
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The Early Lessons

This one hurt.

I advised my followers on Twitter last night that the next time I wrote a post about the polls being wrong, somebody should punch me in the ear.

So what does this mean? Many many people, including people smarter than me about these things, expected this to be a turnout election. We expected the turnout to be close to even with either a slight edge to Democrats or a slight edge to Republicans. Either way, most were in a agreement that it wouldn't be anything like 2008. We were wrong. Exit polls have it pegged at D+6, fairly close to 2008.

So, what does this mean. It means that Republicans can no longer win national elections by turning out the base alone. They have to start convincing more people that they have the answers. They can no longer continue to write off blacks and Latinos as un-winnable and expect to win. There is just not enough base to do it.

Another lesson is that Catholics just don't care in the slightest about the persecution initiated by this President and about the unborn. Every indication is that Catholics have granted an imprimatur for their own oppression. The reasons for this are a topic for another post.

Another key lesson Republicans should learn is about the nominating process. First, I don't think that Mitt Romney is a bad man or that he was a particularly bad candidate. But, during the primary process conservatives looking for any alternative but Mitt bounced from candidate to candidate. For this we were harangued by party leadership and pundits alike that we had to nominate Mitt because he is 'electable.' To all those who beat us up over this back then, you know what you can go do to yourself.

I do not understand this ridiculous notion that we should nominate the candidate we like least so that others will like him. If we don't like him, why the hell should anybody else? Republican moderates lose, period. I know the mantra by the Republican establishment will blame this on social conservatives and urge us to nominate someone even more moderate next time. They are idiots.

And the bottom line for me, if Americans would not reject this President under these circumstances, with a record of such unmitigated failure and with the prospect of country destroying debt looming, there may be no coming back for America. I am serious about that. Seriously, what will it take for Americans to change course? You would have to imagine that whatever it is it will be too late. I mean, look at Greece. They are past the point of no return and their country is in ruins and they still keep going. We. Are. Doomed.

I am buying beer, bullets, and a bus ticket to Texas and maybe somebody someday will pick the good fight.

Posted by Patrick Archbold


5 posted on 11/07/2012 8:30:23 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

"Thanks, lady parts.. BLAM!!"

6 posted on 11/07/2012 8:33:16 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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Wednesday, November 07, 2012

Bishops to Obama: In Second Term, "We Will Continue to Stand In Defense"

As expected, at 8.40 this morning the following congratulatory letter to President Obama on his re-election was released by the USCCB president, Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York, writing in the name of the nation's bishops. (Emphasis original.)


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Dear President Obama,             
             In my capacity as President of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, I write to express my congratulations on your re-election as President of the United States.  The people of our country have again entrusted you with a great responsibility.  The Catholic Bishops of the United States offer our prayers that God will give you strength and wisdom to meet the difficult challenges that face America. 
            In particular, we pray that you will exercise your office to pursue the common good, especially in care of the most vulnerable among us, including the unborn, the poor, and the immigrant.  We will continue to stand in defense of life, marriage, and our first, most cherished liberty, religious freedom.  We pray, too, that you will help restore a sense of civility to the public order, so our public conversations may be imbued with respect and charity toward everyone. 
            May God bless you and Vice President Biden as you prepare for your second term in service to our country and its citizens.                 
Sincerely yours,



Timothy Cardinal Dolan
Archbishop of New York
President
United States Conference of Catholic Bishops

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Beyond the statement of the domestic church leadership, in something of a surprise, it emerged overnight that the Pope had sent his own well-wishes to Obama, expressing his prayers along with the hope that "the ideals of liberty and justice which guided the founders" of the US "might continue to shine forth along the nation's path."

Announced by the Vatican spokesman, Jesuit Fr Federico Lombardi, the complete text of the papal telegram was not made public.

"We all wish President Obama well," Lombardi said, "that he might serve law and justice for the good and the growth of every person, respecting human values and spiritual essentials, in the promotion of a culture of life and religious freedom... and effectively promote integral human development, justice and peace in the world."

In what'll now be midway through a second Obama term, Benedict XVI has indicated his intent to make the second Stateside visit of his seven-year pontificate. Should it pan out, the journey will be centered on Philadelphia, which was designated in June as the host-city of the next World Meeting of Families, slated to take place at some point during the summer of 2015.

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7 posted on 11/07/2012 8:34:14 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Rca2000
they again voted with their “female parts” after all...

What do we think about guys who think with their "little head"? Nothing nice.

8 posted on 11/07/2012 8:34:50 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Just goes to show how seriously Catholics take their own doctrine... about as seriously as those envelopes that fill the baskets with their loose change every Sunday (at least every Sunday that they attend).

;-\

9 posted on 11/07/2012 8:37:44 AM PST by Gargantua ("Barbie O'Bunga ~ America's First Fly-Strewn, Maggot-Gagging Fag President")
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To: Lou Budvis

Some serious excommunication needs to happen, starting at the top.

Many people are happy to break the rules as long they can get away with it.


10 posted on 11/07/2012 8:37:53 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Be cheerful, be confident, and VOTE!!)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

It actually makes sense to me: the lead in to the Antichrist and the False Prophet.


11 posted on 11/07/2012 8:39:02 AM PST by fish hawk
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To: Rca2000

“So long, america...”

Yep, and 75% of Latinos (from what I saw last night).

The sheer idiocy is astounding when we look at the post-election numbers.


12 posted on 11/07/2012 8:39:21 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Lou Budvis
The American bishops let the ‘seamless garment’ social justice doctrine work its poison for so long

Correct.

When the leaders of the church advocate for class warfare, it's to be expected the rank and rile will follow suit. It's shocking to me how Catholic voters continue to favor social justice over the loss of religious freedom, abortion measures and sexual perversion the Democrats advocate.

I'm very glad to see the Protestants are still voting for true justice (not social justice) by a 13 point margin.

13 posted on 11/07/2012 8:40:21 AM PST by what's up
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

The US Catholic Church: anti-abortion, anti-gay-marriage, but pro-Obama. What a chaotic world!


14 posted on 11/07/2012 8:40:26 AM PST by kevao (Hey, Obama: The 1930s called, they want their economic policy back.)
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To: TigerClaws

What???

Kick out the pro-abortion political Catholics. They are the ones who helped put them in power.

Oh, not so fast. Trying to grow the church...right?


15 posted on 11/07/2012 8:40:39 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: Rca2000

Maybe we should nominate someone who isn’t supporting abortion and contraception if we want to win the Catholic vote.

Romney had fewer votes than McCain did, despite population growth.


16 posted on 11/07/2012 8:42:08 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

“It means that Republicans can no longer win national elections by turning out the base alone.

If the base would have turned out, we would have won last night. Obama got 58 million votes. Romney got about 56 million. John McCain got 59 million.
Obama was down a solid 10 million from his 2008 performance.

Our base supported guys like that nut in Virginia. They supported Gary Johnson here and there. They said Jesus didn’t want them to vote for a Mormon and stayed home. Others said Romneycare is the same as Obamacare and that there was no difference.

The people who for many reasons stayed home gave us Obama II. No matter what catholics did, if everyone voted for McCain would have come out, we would be rid of Obama this morning. Goood work A-holes.


17 posted on 11/07/2012 8:45:44 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: servantboy777

That came out soooo wrong. Sorry, I’m froathing at the mouth I’m so upset.

What needs to happen is to kick out those so-called Catholics who voted for politicians that support gay marriage, abortion and freakin boo’d when they were forced by political polling to place Our Lord back into their DNC platform.

Then...oh, not so fast. Trying to grow the church..right?

Breath...breath servantboy...breath!


18 posted on 11/07/2012 8:46:29 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

I am ashamed of my fellow Catholics and Americans who voted for this Marxist. Neither of these groups of people are either true Catholics or true Americans.


19 posted on 11/07/2012 8:51:28 AM PST by diamond6 (Hulu has "The Hope and the Change" for free: http://www.hulu.com/#!watch/409925)
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To: JCBreckenridge

So in your world, people upset about Romney not being strongly enough against Abortion and contraception, decided to show their displeasure

,,,by voting for Obama? Righhhhhhht


20 posted on 11/07/2012 8:51:53 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: what's up
The only reason the Protestant vote is only by 13% is that the black church is factored in. Take them out and the margin of Romney voters would be much greater.

Glad I left the Catholic church a long time ago and attend a God-fearing conservative denomination.

21 posted on 11/07/2012 8:54:13 AM PST by bella1 (As it was in the days of Lot.....)
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To: Rca2000

That’s why we need female priests, Bishops, liberated nuns — yep, that’ll do it!


22 posted on 11/07/2012 8:54:52 AM PST by mikrofon (+ Prayers for America +)
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To: DesertRhino

No, they stayed home. This is why Romney earned fewer votes than John McCain - despite the fact that John McCain suspended his campaign and the disaster that was the 2008 crash.

And he still ran a better campaign than Romney. :)


23 posted on 11/07/2012 8:55:54 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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Well, Catholics who do not attend Mass on Sunday are not really Catholics anymore. It is more accurate to refer to thenm as former Catholics or people who were “born Catholic.” Faithful Catholics , who do attend Sunday Mass, voted overwhelminhgly against Obama, as they did in 2008. These faithful Catholics would have heard or read the bishops’ statements.


24 posted on 11/07/2012 8:58:02 AM PST by Godwin1
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To: bella1

Don’t break your arm patting yourself on the back. While “catholic” voters who don’t attend mass voted for Obama en masse, evangelicals stayed home.

At least the majority of faithful mass attending Catholics voted for Romney.


25 posted on 11/07/2012 9:00:38 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: JCBreckenridge

Thats an interesting strategy. If our candidate is not utterly perfect on the issue, such as suggesting rape and life of the mother exemption, then we go ahead and vote for the psychopath who advocates killing babies that manage to survive an abortion?
This mentality has just enabled FAR more abortion than Romney ever would have on his worst day.

Maybe the body count will reflect our purity? This is like marrying a career prostitute to avoid marrying a fiancee’ who isn’t a virgin, and is therefore impure.


26 posted on 11/07/2012 9:00:57 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

if this is true this really pisses me off....


27 posted on 11/07/2012 9:02:36 AM PST by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: Gargantua
Just goes to show how seriously Catholics take their own doctrine..

The half that voted for Obama or the half that didn't?

Why would the sincerity of the devout Catholics be questioned? I don't get it.

Another FReeper was saying the Catholic Church should "Go to Hell". Why is that? The bishops in my state sent out a letter telling parishioners to not vote for gay marriage. Some of the Catholics evidently disobeyed. Why is the Church to blame? Why the irrational hate for the Church among other Christians? You are making Satan very happy.

28 posted on 11/07/2012 9:03:53 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture tm)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Maybe after Islam becomes the official religion of the United States they will come around.


29 posted on 11/07/2012 9:04:33 AM PST by McGruff (This is probably the biggest cover-up in American history - Sen. Fred Thompson)
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To: Godwin1

I would suspect that a majority of the Catholics who voted socialist came from south of the border.


30 posted on 11/07/2012 9:05:01 AM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: diamond6

Amen.


31 posted on 11/07/2012 9:05:39 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Quite the opposite. The Catholics that I know who voted Obama attend mass every Sunday. The ones I know who do not attend church regularly mostly voted for Romney.


32 posted on 11/07/2012 9:05:50 AM PST by bella1 (As it was in the days of Lot.....)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
The question is what kind of church do you have when neither the parishioners nor those who lead them are interested in the doctrines that supposedly define them.

It would appear the Church has chosen a popularity contest approach to be all things to all people, rather than being an anchor for all people against the world of temptation and consequences.

It is said that after elections we get the world we deserve. I have resisted that belief since I didn't vote for any of this, but now I see that we do.

The older generation first receives the world they have taught to their children.

And here we are, wondering what comes next. Too bad the Church doesn't know the answer or chose not to teach it...but it's not too late, is it?

33 posted on 11/07/2012 9:11:22 AM PST by GBA (Vote as if your Freedom depends on it...)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

They’re crazy. Don’t they know how he’s destroying them?


34 posted on 11/07/2012 9:11:50 AM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Time to purge the church of lukewarm Catholics.


35 posted on 11/07/2012 9:12:04 AM PST by guardian_of_liberty (We must bind the Government with the Chains of the Constitution...)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Time to purge the church of lukewarm Catholics.


36 posted on 11/07/2012 9:12:17 AM PST by guardian_of_liberty (We must bind the Government with the Chains of the Constitution...)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Someone at that church needs to set the example. (the right one)


37 posted on 11/07/2012 9:12:26 AM PST by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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To: steve86

I friend who I trust and is very well connected in the Church said in September that over half the members of the USCCB were still planning on voting for Obama this year. Given what Raymond Arroyo said about their vote in 2008 ( see http://onelacatholic.blogspot.com/2008/11/how-many-of-hierarchy-voted-for-obama.html ) I believe this.

“All heresy begins below the waist.” And the problems in the USCCB still run very deep in this regard. That is the primary explanation for the failure of the Church in this election.


38 posted on 11/07/2012 9:16:03 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: JCBreckenridge

“No, they stayed home.”

Only an immature low life A-hole would have stayed home. Their big day of moral posturing just got us the maximum possible number of abortions,
6 dollar gasoline,
the end of coal (doubling our electric bills),
the end of fracking, skyrocketing taxes,
“flexibility” with Russia,
more of Moochelle Obamas food nazi policies,
a warm embrace of the muslim brotherhood,
nuclear weapons for Iran,
the final abandonment of Israel,
the likely destruction of the dollar as a reserve currency,
further oppression of American churches,
and all the Abortion Obama and his machine can churn out.

Good work guys.


39 posted on 11/07/2012 9:16:53 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

This should be a profound warning to the Vatican that it has effectively lost the souls of over half of those in America who call themselves Catholics.

Hypothetically, it is comparable to a situation in which over half the Catholics living in a nation embraced unholy paganism, while continuing to call themselves Catholic. What can the church do?

When the church is afraid to carry out actual excommunication, unwilling to do more than argue with the heretic that they should stop being heretics, it is no longer Catholic.

What priest is brave enough to ask for a show of hands of who voted for Obama, then to ask them to group together and tell them that they are excommunicated, that their names will be removed from the records of the church, and that in future they are to be denied communion or even attendance at mass? And finally give them a request that they henceforth do not call themselves Catholics.

It is past the point where the church can try to redeem the majority who have strayed. It can either expel them or be destroyed by them.


40 posted on 11/07/2012 9:17:06 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
(from Greg Kendra) Early exit poll results also showed Obama losing the overall white evangelical vote to Romney, but winning the overall Catholic vote by just a few points.

(From Patrick Archbold) Another lesson is that Catholics just don't care in the slightest about the persecution initiated by this President and about the unborn. Every indication is that Catholics have granted an imprimatur for their own oppression. The reasons for this are a topic for another post....I am buying beer, bullets, and a bus ticket to Texas and maybe somebody someday will pick the good fight.

To those in the Catholic Church who voted conservative, and to the bishops who exhorted Catholics to do so, thank you.

41 posted on 11/07/2012 9:18:18 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: bella1; Alex Murphy
Well now, that's interesting. If you subtract the black vote from the Evangelical total, AND subtract the Hispanic vote from the Catholic total, what do you get?

No, I haven't done the math; but I expect Alex Murphy will do so for us all, by and by. (Please include charts, graphs, statistics and clickable headlines, bro.)

What it proves that some people --- an electrorally critical percentage of people --- vote by their skin color and their zip code, more than by the plain Christian Doctrines of their own churches.

That's true across denominational lines. To our sorrow.

42 posted on 11/07/2012 9:19:36 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The severed hand cannot heal the Body.")
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
Dear yefragetuwrabrumuy,

“Hypothetically, it is comparable to a situation in which over half the Catholics living in a nation embraced unholy paganism, while continuing to call themselves Catholic.”

Actually, I don't think that's hypothetical or comparable. No non-pagan, no one who holds to Judeo-Christian morality in any way, shape or form, could vote for a monster that doesn't even think born children should be protected in law.

Over half of Catholics in America are pagans.

Including many priests and most of the bishops.


sitetest

43 posted on 11/07/2012 9:20:44 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
"We all wish President Obama well," Lombardi said, "that he might serve law and justice for the good and the growth of every person, respecting human values and spiritual essentials, in the promotion of a culture of life and religious freedom... and effectively promote integral human development, justice and peace in the world."

These people are delusional!!!!! They certainly are not listening to God's word. Obama is more like the anti-Christ than like Jesus and should not be congratulated for anything he accomplishes. The Holy See has sunk to new lows in my eyes.

44 posted on 11/07/2012 9:22:35 AM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Besides, the story wasn’t about Catholics staying home, it was about over half of them voting for Obama. So look for another reason they didn’t support Romney. Likely the social justice crowd, and the ones who identify as catholic but never attend mass.

Those people would never have voted for an Akin or Mourdoch clone. And the other half voted as good Christians for the better choice than the marxist muslim baby killer.


45 posted on 11/07/2012 9:23:19 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Besides, the story wasn’t about Catholics staying home, it was about over half of them voting for Obama. So look for another reason they didn’t support Romney. Likely the social justice crowd, and the ones who identify as catholic but never attend mass.

Those people would never have voted for an Akin or Mourdoch clone. And the other half voted as good Christians for the better choice than the marxist muslim baby killer.


46 posted on 11/07/2012 9:23:29 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

**We will continue to stand in defense of life, marriage, and our first, most cherished liberty, religious freedom.

Please, God, your vote is not counted. Help to turn the Catholics back to the basics of their faith.


47 posted on 11/07/2012 9:23:37 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: guardian_of_liberty
Time to purge the church of lukewarm Catholics.

One might be tempted to do that until one realizes that it is the Church's job to (try to) save souls. Not to abandon the souls to the devil. But certain bishops are not suitable for their positions and should be excluded from clergy, yes.

48 posted on 11/07/2012 9:24:06 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture tm)
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To: servantboy777

Pro aborts are CINOs — not REAL Catholics.

There is a big difference.


49 posted on 11/07/2012 9:25:07 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: fish hawk

Yup. Am currently doing a Bible study of Revelation - scary. At the same time, however, I’m at peace because I have a close and personal relationship with my Savior.


50 posted on 11/07/2012 9:25:23 AM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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