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Daughter of LDS Bishop Warns Against Mormonism and Romney Presidency ['Of two evils...neither']
Christian News Network ^ | Oct. 13, 2012 | Heather Clark

Posted on 10/17/2012 4:33:29 AM PDT by Colofornian

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To: Colofornian

Where do these people get their ego. Talk about an inflated opinion of themselves: A vote in an election means their soul...lol.


21 posted on 10/17/2012 4:47:37 AM PDT by JerseyDvl (Cogito Ergo Doleo Soetoro, ABO and of course FUBO!)
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To: Colofornian

/THAT’S the Obama dirty trick?


22 posted on 10/17/2012 4:47:52 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Pray for Joe Biden- Proverbs 29:9)
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To: libdestroyer
“So in other words, it’s better to have another 4 years of Obama?”

Cliche line we’ve heard 1 million times or more...

...but are too dense to understand the importance of. Unbelievable.

23 posted on 10/17/2012 4:50:10 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: MuttTheHoople

It’s a vote between two heathens- either Cyrus the Persian or Belshazzar the Babylonian.


24 posted on 10/17/2012 4:50:34 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Pray for Joe Biden- Proverbs 29:9)
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To: libdestroyer

would be nice if you listened to it once


25 posted on 10/17/2012 4:50:51 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa (Vote for Goode, end up with evil, pat self on back repeatedly)
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To: Colofornian

You’re disillusion. One of two men will be the next President. You either help Romney or you help Obama.

This isn’t a theological debate, its a political debate.


26 posted on 10/17/2012 4:51:07 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: knarf
Yeah, so? He lives his life to accomplish his own personal desires .. spiritual and physical.

Think of it. Any given candidate...like McCain...or Bush.

If they claimed, like temple Mormon Mitt Romney believes, that they were a "god in embryo" -- that would have hardly been irrelevant to news articles, opinion columns, online forums, etc.

It'd been the talk of the nation for years on end.

Romney? All because he's Mormon he gets a free pass from the same people who would discuss it were another GoP candidate involved who believed this lack-of-discernment nonsense.

Proof that this is mainstream Mormon belief? (see next post from me)

27 posted on 10/17/2012 4:52:05 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

“would be nice if you listened to it once”

I know better ;)


28 posted on 10/17/2012 4:52:15 AM PDT by libdestroyer
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To: JerseyDvl

Seriously - the Pretend Pride crowd with their onanastic voting, proud only of themselves and to hell with the country. Disgusting.


29 posted on 10/17/2012 4:52:25 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa (Vote for Goode, end up with evil, pat self on back repeatedly)
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To: knarf; All
Yeah, so? He lives his life to accomplish his own personal desires .. spiritual and physical.

Follow-up to last post:

Marion G. Romney -- cousin of Mitt's father -- and in the Lds 'first presidency' at one time

“The truth is … man is a child of God— a God in embryo.” – Mitt Romney's father's cousin, Marion G. Romney – one of the top three Lds hierarchists a generation ago...in Conference Report, April 1973, p. 136; or Ensign, July 1973, p. 14.

3rd LDS 'prophet' John Taylor

* "What is [man]? He had his being in the eternal worlds; he existed before he came here. He is not only the son of man, but he is the son of God also. He IS a God in embryo, and possesses within him a spark of that eternal flame..." (3rd "prophet" John Taylor, The Gospel Kingdom, pp. 52-54, as cited in Teachings of the Presidents: John Taylor, p. 2, 2001 -- compiled & published by its "intellectual reserve" publishing trademark).
* "If we take man, he is said to have been made in the image of God...being his son, he is, of course, his offspring, an emanation from God...He...came forth possessing, in an embryonic state, ALL the faculties and powers of a God." (Taylor, The Gospel Kingdom, p. 52, as cited in Teachings of the Presidents: John Taylor, p. 3, 2001).

12th Lds 'prophet' Spencer W. Kimball

Many people know of Spencer W. Kimball, the 12th "prophet" of the Lds church (1973-1985), as the man who allowed blacks to become Mormon priests in 1978.

But did you know Mormonism teaches you are all "gods in embryo"??? (And Kimball was one of its key proponents)

Did you know that Mormonism teaches the false "gospel" of self-transformation -- of pulling yourself up by the bootstraps to become a god? (And Kimball was one of its key proponents)

Spencer W. Kimball on these very topics:

1969 "Being a GOD IN EMBRYO with the seeds of godhood neatly tucked away in him, and with the power to become a god eventually, man need not despair...he must...transform himself..." (Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, pp. 173-174)

A couple he was advising in Kimball's office "did not understand that forgiveness is not a thing of days or months or even years but is a matter of intensity of feeling and transformation of self...This couple seemed to have no conception of satisfying the Lord, of paying the total penalties and obtaining a release..." (Ibid, p. 156)

To Kimball, you had to "pay the total penalties" for your sin -- vs. that being a role occupied by the true Jesus Christ.

September, 1974: Man can transform himself and he must. Man has in himself the seeds of godhood, which can germinate and grow and develop. As the acorn becomes the oak, the mortal man becomes a god. It is within his power to lift himself by his very bootstraps from the plane on which he finds himself to the plane on which he should be. It may be a long, hard lift with many obstacles, but it is a real possibility. Source: http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6057 (Spencer W. Kimball speech entitled Be Ye Therefore Perfect 9/17/74 devotional address @ BYU)

1975: Man is created in the image of God. He is a GOD IN EMBRYO. He has the seeds of godhood within him, and he can, if he is normal, pick himself up by his bootstraps and literally move himself from where he is to where he shows he should be." Source: http://emp.byui.edu/marrottr/LovevsLust.pdf, "Love vs. Lust," Spencer W. Kimball, Provo: BYU Publications, 1975

November 1977: Self-mastery, then, is the key, and every person should study his own life, his own desires and wants and cravings, and bring them under control. Man can transform himself and he must. Man has in himself the seeds of godhood, which can germinate and grow and develop. As the acorn becomes the oak, the mortal man becomes a god. It is within his power to lift himself by his very bootstraps from the plane on which he finds himself to the plane on which he should be. It may be a long, hard lift with many obstacles, but it is a real possibility. To be perfect, one can turn to many areas as a starting place....As we have stated before, the way to perfection seems to be a changing of one’s life—to substitute the good for the evil in every case. Source: By President Spencer W. Kimball An address given to students of Weber State College, Ogden, Utah on 4 November 1977 http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&locale=0&sourceId=244ed0640b96b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD

July, 1978 Ensign Magazine: Lds church officially endorses Kimball Weber State College comments by publishing them in their official magazine

This quote also becomes part of Chapter 19 of what Lds officially teach college students in their Institute curricula: See http://institute.lds.org/manuals/doctrines-of-the-gospel-student-manual/doc-gosp-11-20-19.asp

30 posted on 10/17/2012 4:53:34 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

The disgusting underside of this campaign is that the Dems are covertly putting people like this Tricia Erickson out there to spread anti-Mormon bigotry in the disguise of a “former Mormon” raising “concerns” to the Christian community as a way to keep Christians from not voting. Everything she says could be true — Romney could believe that he will own a planet. Ann could have been naked on her wedding day. And I could care less. I really don’t care. Romney is going to cut government and cut spending and that is all that matters in this election.


31 posted on 10/17/2012 4:53:51 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Colofornian
See post #14 as to why it's relevant NOW for residents in over 40 states.

I don't agree (with the possible exceptions of the bluest of blue states...like, maybe DC and Mass...maybe).

States that were nominally considered solid blue have been re-designated as toss-up states.

The Maoism of the left needs to be once and for all repudiated. The Marxist-in-Chief needs to be well and thoroughly squashed like the cockroach he is. We don't need a 271 electoral vote victory. We need a 1984-type win.

Not for Romney's sake. But to send an unmistakable message about leftism.

32 posted on 10/17/2012 4:54:17 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: libdestroyer

Ross Perot endorsed Romney.

Your move.


33 posted on 10/17/2012 4:54:27 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: Colofornian

Bfl


34 posted on 10/17/2012 4:56:17 AM PDT by JerseyDvl (Cogito Ergo Doleo Soetoro, ABO and of course FUBO!)
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To: markomalley
I don't agree (with the possible exceptions of the bluest of blue states...like, maybe DC and Mass...maybe). States that were nominally considered solid blue have been re-designated as toss-up states.

Which states? Be specific and cite credible sources.

Otherwise, you're just blowin' smoke.

35 posted on 10/17/2012 4:57:12 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

So what if Romney believes in elves and fairies?

The point is that he believes in the good elves and fairies. He can only become an elf king in the afterlife IF he does good here on our blue marble......Then he gets his own blue marble.

That’s bad how?

His judgement on business and most social issues appear to be sound....Especially in comparison to our current Allah in Chief....


36 posted on 10/17/2012 4:58:12 AM PDT by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
...Dems covertly putting people like this Tricia Erickson out there to spread anti-Mormon bigotry in the disguise of a “former Mormon” raising “concerns” to the Christian community as a way to keep Christians from not voting.

Iow, you're intolerant of Tricia Erickson's religious messaging.

Isn't intolerance = "bigotry" in your eyes?

37 posted on 10/17/2012 4:59:03 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Not gonna get wound up reading every little Romney trashing post when there is a big fish to fry in the whitehouse that is destroying America NOW.

To undermine that effort is suicidal. We are on the cusp of the end of the United States of America, with a Marxist in the whitehouse.


38 posted on 10/17/2012 5:00:09 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Colofornian

Other people can pick verses from your religion, which can also hit hilarious level. Or can find people who despise your religion.


39 posted on 10/17/2012 5:01:03 AM PDT by jennychase
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To: Colofornian

Unfortunately, “neither” is not in the option set. In January 2013, either Obama or Romney WILL be in the White House. The only choice is which will be less destructive to Liberty.


40 posted on 10/17/2012 5:02:52 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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