Try two to one.
Posted on 09/17/2012 11:38:54 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
PHILADELPHIA, Sept. 17, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) - As the November general election approaches, America’s Catholic bishops have been walking a fine line as they strive to avoid appearances of partisanship while at the same time they wage a high-profile battle against the Obama administration over religious freedom.
Earlier this month, one of the leading lights in the U.S. episcopate insisted he “certainly” could not vote for Obama, while not specifically endorsing his Republic opponent Mitt Romney.
Asked whether a Catholic could vote for Obama in good faith, Archbishop Charles Chaput of Philadelphia replied: “I can only speak in terms of my own personal views. I certainly can’t vote for somebody who’s either pro-choice or pro-abortion.”
In a wide-ranging interview with John Allen, Jr. of the National Catholic Reporter, published Friday, the archbishop drew a sharp distinction between a candidate’s “prudential judgments” about how we care for the poor, and his position on an intrinsic evil like abortion.
Responding to concerns over the budget proposed by Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan, which some Catholic bishops and other critics had called immoral because it cut programs to the poor, the archbishop pointed out that people of good faith can legitimately disagree over the role of government in providing aid to the poor.
“Jesus tells us very clearly that if we don’t help the poor, we’re going to go to hell,” he insisted. “But Jesus didn’t say the government has to take care of them, or that we have to pay taxes to take care of them. Those are prudential judgments.”
“You can’t say that somebody’s not Christian because they want to limit taxation,” he continued. “To say that it’s somehow intrinsically evil like abortion doesn’t make any sense at all.”
The archbishop, while noting he is a registered independent, said he has “deep personal concerns about any party that supports changing the definition of marriage, supports abortion in all circumstances, wants to restrict the traditional understanding of religious freedom.”
Chaput also said the bishops’ Fortnight for Freedom campaign in the summer was a success in raising greater awareness among Catholics about the grave threat to religious freedom facing America.
“The history of the world demonstrates that if we aren’t always on guard about religious freedom, we’ll lose it. It happens everywhere, and it could happen in the United States,” he observed.
“I would never have thought, even ten years ago, that we would be dealing with it so quickly,” he added.
On the HHS mandate, Chaput said he “can’t imagine” the courts would not overturn it. “If we don’t win, I’ll be astonished, and I’ll be even more worried about the future of religious freedom in our country,” he said.
“Those who oppose us on the mandates are very insistent. I thought they would back down by now, but they haven’t,” he continued. “We have to fight as vigorously in opposing them as they are in imposing them. Who’s going to win? I don’t know. It will be whoever fights the hardest and wins the hearts and minds of the people.”
That is one strange post, Protestants voted against Obama by a very solid majority, but they can’t make up for the non-Protestants that vote for him.
As far as the Protestants from the more bible believing denominations like you described, they went HUGELY against Obama.
I don't have a different standard for any denomination, I told you that I don't even think we have any Episcopalians at freerepublic, they are less than 2 million people, and I just don't recall any here, I sure haven't seen anyone defending their voting here.
I posted this to you, I don't know why you keep lashing out at me like we are in some kind of fight about something.
"We don’t have many Episcopalians here at FR, if any, how do we call them out, ask for their help in winning conservative votes, in fighting immigration, in stopping the importation of tens of millions of liberal, democrat voting Episcopalians into America?"
Socialism and communism are intrinsically evil because they destroy the individual. I’m paraphrasing Pope John Paul here.
It seems to perfectly accompany the other links you have sent me.
Even with so many Protestants sitting out elections the number of Protestants who cast votes still outnumbers voting Catholics by over three to one. It's people who claim to be Christian but love goverment more than Christ and make sure they vote and work for candidates that elect people like King Barry, not Catholics or any particular Protestant group.
The point is that if Christians who bitch and complain worked and voted instead we wouldn't have the kind of President we have or the sort of scum in Congress that we have. Look at the numbers for various groups in NC and you get a good cross section of what various religious groups have to sit out elections in order for the fascists to retain control.
Blacks are counted in the Protestant column.
That is a little out there for me, freaking out over the people who don’t vote and being mad at the Protestant conservative voting base, while ignoring those that actually vote against republicans.
Do you really think it's easier to change the opinion and vested interest of someone who already is firmly in the democrat fascist camp than to convince someone to vote because doing so is defending Christianity?
Try two to one.
No, I’m not going to do that.
I love how Evangelicals vote though, absolutely love it.
Also, I don't quite get how they're coming up with those numbers given the fact I've seen others that put Protestans at around 62% and Catholics at 24%. It must be that some who comple statistics consider sects that aren't Christian in with Protestants. I guess which would tap numbers out of the unaffiliated group and might expalin the difference.
Like I said, though, it's still the Protestant electorate that calls the shots and if folks in the South are any indication at least as many of them sit out elections as vote.
Love how they vote? OK, you agree they should not vote then.
There are at least as many Catholics who sit elections out as there are who vote
Number of Catholics who don't vote = Number of Catholics who vote
....those [Catholics] who don't vote don't far outnumber those who do as is the case among Protestant groups. Even with so many Protestants sitting out elections the number of Protestants who cast votes still outnumbers voting Catholics by over three to one.
Number of Protestants who vote = (Number of Catholics who vote) X 3
[From your earlier post] ....if two thirds of those who claim to be Protestant Christians gave a damn enough to vote rather than whine
Number of Protestants who don't vote = (Number of Protestants who vote X 2)
If the number of Protestants who vote are 3x the number of Catholics who vote, and the number of Catholics who don't vote are equal the number of Catholics who do, and the number of Protestants who vote are 1/3rd the number of all Protestants, doesn't that make the number of Protestants in the USA at least 400% larger than the number of Catholics? Protestant vote = Ax3 Catholic vote = A
Catholic non-vote = A
Catholics = Ax2
Protestant non-vote = (Ax3)x2
Protestants = (Ax3)+((Ax3)x2)
I’ve been trying to follow your posts the best I can, but they aren’t making sense.
You lost me some while back, when you knock the most republican voting group in America, the Evangelicals, it just keeps getting farther adrift.
“I don’t have a different standard for any denomination, I told you that I don’t even think we have any Episcopalians at freerepublic, they are less than 2 million people, and I just don’t recall any here, I sure haven’t seen anyone defending their voting here.”
You do have a different standard which is why you’re trying to justify not calling out episcopalians. Look, we get it. Protestant = good, Catholic = bad.
I already stated why I find this irritating.
I don’t even know how Episcopalians vote do you?
You seem to agree that we don’t have any at FR, and that no one here defends them, no one.
Why do you keep posting such confusing posts?
No one here is defending Episcopalians, we all hope that they cease to exist as a denomination, why not give us their voting numbers so that we can know how bad they are.
Did they vote 54% for Obama, like the Catholics?
White Roman Catholics voted 52 percent for McCain.
White Mainline Protestants voted 55 percent for McCain.
The more observant the Catholic, the more likely they were to vote for McCain.
So, can we get some of the facts here? You’re antagonizing the people that you need to win - the faithful Catholics.
1972 was only the second time that republicans won the Catholic vote in our history, and it was almost all white back in those days and before, white Catholics became a little less liberal in recent years, as you pointed out, against the infanticide commie, they went republican by 52%.
Unfortunately, that isn't the actual Catholic vote, Obama still won the Catholic vote.
Whites have been leaving Catholicism for many years, in fact without immigration to maintain the numbers it would be a lot smaller and it is becoming an Hispanic denomination, in other words, the Catholic vote will return to total normalcy pretty soon.
“Whites have been leaving Catholicism for many years, in fact without immigration to maintain the numbers it would be a lot smaller and it is becoming an Hispanic denomination, in other words, the Catholic vote will return to total normalcy pretty soon.”
You’ve lost about 20 percent of your total membership, going from 62 percent of Americans to around 52 percent of Americans in the last 15 years.
Catholicism has remained stable.
Most of the protestant losses are white mainline groups - people like the episcopalians, lutherans, presbyterians.
There’s no evidence of similar losses among White Catholics. If anything, at least in America, there are more white Catholics than before. :)
As I said, you’re antagonizing your own team.
Bravo Sierra.
I'll repost your earlier idiotic absolutist statement.
the Protestant vote always goes pro-life
Unscientific, unreliable exit polls with highly suspect methodology; which is what you repeatedly rely on to make your foolish remarks, are to the illiterate as smack is to a junkie.
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