Posted on 05/17/2012 5:40:57 PM PDT by Gamecock
No, it doesn’t.
Politically, I stand shoulder to shoulder with all CONSERVATIVES whatever religious affiliation they claim.
However, based on Catholic voting patterns, they have contributed more to the demise of this country in heavily leaning towards the democrat and putting them in office, than just about any other religious group.
Religious unity is NOT going to be what turns this country around until and unless they vote conservative. As long as Catholics overwhelmingly vote pro-abortion leftists into office, this country is on the wide road to destruction.
“Most of these people either want to contracept, abort their children, divorce and remarry, ordain women, or engage in aberrant sexual behavior.”
Well, according to the study, Catholics seem quite comfortable doing most of those things while remaining Catholic. (not counting remarriage and ordaining women)
Is there something untrue about my observations of Catholic voting patterns being liberal?
Considering the thousands year long reputation of the Catholic clergy for immorality and corruption, that'd be funny if it weren't so pathetic.
From post 32 this thread......
40% Roman Catholics vs. 41% Non-R.C. see abortion as "morally acceptable"; Sex between unmarried couples: 67% vs. 57%; Baby out of wedlock: 61% vs. 52%; Homosexual relations: 54% vs. 45%; Gambling: 72% vs. 59%
http://www.gallup.com/poll/117154/Catholics-Similar-Mainstream-Abortion-Stem-Cells.aspx
Committed Roman Catholics (church attendance weekly or almost) versus Non-R.C. faithful church goers (see the below as as morally acceptable): Abortion: 24% R.C. vs. 19% Non-R.C.; Sex between unmarried couples: 53% vs. 30%; Baby out of wedlock: 48% vs. 29%; Homosexual relations: 44% vs. 21%; Gambling: 67% vs. 40%; Divorce: 63 vs. 46% ^
88% of Catholics believe that they can practice artificial means of birth control and still be considered good Catholics. New York Times/CBS News poll, Apr. 21-23, 1994, subsample of 446 Catholics, MOE ± 5%
A good place to see this is among Hispanics who become Protestant, they also start voting for life, and marriage and the conservative Christian way in large numbers, that means they are people who have changed as Christians, it is the evidence that changing churches was a move to a more Christian experience, not a lessor one like their Democrat voting Catholic fellow Hispanics.
I live among many Hispanics, and the only ones who seem to be Christians on fire, are the ex-Catholics, the Protestant ones talk about Christ and God, the Catholic ones talk about the Catholic church.
From the description kearnyirish2 gave, I imagine the NJ Gov, votes like the majority of Catholics now, not like the majority of Protestants.
LOL! I found out that was from daniel’s blog.
Not facts, but his opinion in most of it.
Although my life has always been filled with many Catholics, I never got to see behind the scenes until I started dating a wealthy, Irish Catholic girl whose father was rich, a girl that I eventually married.
It was interesting to be able to suddenly rub shoulders and have drinks with all the Priests and what not that came to his house and parties, to be able to call on them and make appointments for their time, I didn’t really see all that personal interaction and access among the more humble Catholics in my life.
I left Catholicism because I studied the Bible, obeyed it, and knew I could no longer attend that pagan church. My eyes were opened to the truth, and I could never go back.
Yet the badly catechized excuse for the predominate liberal condition of RCs leaders offers different conclusions, that RCs suffer from a lack of comprehension of sufficiently clear teaching, or RC teaching suffers from to a lack of perspicuity, and or their regeneration and confirmation yet leaves them spiritually unmotivated and lacking in spiritual and moral discernment, while those in evangelical faith overall tend to be conservative readers of the Bible readers and spirtual lit., and better able to express their faith.
He cites sources for the polls. It’s not just his opinion.
And it’s far better than any of the stats that any Catholics have posted showing otherwise.
Oh right,......
They haven’t posted any.......
“every “former Catholic” I know... did it over personal involvement with the divorce/remarriage question.”
That is your experience, but it certainly is not mine, while surveys do not back this up, while the testimony of different RCs here has been that this need not be a real problem.
“our former governor did it after leaving his Catholic wife & child; he went to an Episcopal seminary”
That is the problem, as we are not simply comparing RCs with Prot. churches, many of which can be just as institutionalized, but with evangelicals, those who hold the supremacy of Scripture, and profess a cognizant personal regeneration by faith and a Scripture-based personal relationship with the Lord Jesus, etc. And which criteria i sought to provide on that page: http://www.peacebyjesus.com/RC-Stats_vs._Evang.html
“I don’t know why it’s beyond the comprehension of some that they can know exactly what the RCC church teaches and STILL reject it.
There are former Catholics on board here who used to TEACH catechism classes.
We KNOW what Catholicism teaches and since it doesn’t line up with Scripture, we reject it.”
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Hi, I am not sure, does this mean you were baptized Roman
Catholic?
It would be INSANITY to leave the faith if you understood
God is present in the most Holy Eucharist.
Private interpretation of Scripture is heresy. That’s why
our brothers and sisters pick a few verses in the Bible
and ignore the rest, they do not line up but conflict with
their private interpretation.
There is not one verse in the Bible, Old and New Testament
that conflicts with another when you follow the Church,
her interpretation of Scripture. God gave her the authority
to interpret the Bible. God did the same when the Church canonized Scripture.
Read the foot notes of the English version of the first
Bible, the footnotes will help you understand difficult verses and they are a help to understand why the Church teaches what she does.
I am a baptized Catholic and raised Catholic. I have extended family members who were priests and nuns.
It would be INSANITY to leave the faith if you understood God is present in the most Holy Eucharist.
Except that God is NOT present in the eucharist. Spiritual life is imparted by grace through faith, not through eating God. Spiritual life is not imparted to the believer by physical actions and works or ceremonies.
Scripture is more than clear on the prohibition of eating blood. IF the church were correct about that, then it would be insanity to leave but if they're not correct, then what they're teaching is heresy itself.
Passover was done in REMEMBRANCE of the first and actual Passover, it wasn't a re-enactment of it. In the Passover ceremony, the cup they drank was wine, not blood. The blood was NOT to be eaten.
As observant Jews, the disciples would not have drank the cup of the new covenant at what we call the Last Supper if they really thought it was actual blood. It would have made them ceremonially unclean for the observance of the Passover. And it would have been impossible for Jesus to break His own commandments against eating blood and demand that His disciples do it knowing it would cause them to sin.
Nor would Jesus have drank of the cup Himself because if it were indeed blood, then He would have sinned and become unclean and been incapable of being the perfect, spotless lamb.
Salvation by faith, simply believing, in Jesus own words.
John 6:28-29 Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”
John 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
I checked out the link you gave and found an interesting discrepancy in the translation of John 6:58 between the two links here.
At this link, http://bible.cc/john/6-58.htm
John 6:58 reads.....
Douay-Rheims Bible
“This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever. “
At the link you gave me the D-R Bible translates it so....
http://www.drbo.org/chapter/50006.htm
[58] As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me.
A look at the Greek shows the first translation to be correct.
http://biblos.com/john/6-58.htm
I am afraid that I cannot find the D-R Bible trustworthy if such a cursory review of it shows this kind of translation discrepancy. This is far worse than anything the various Protestant versions are accused of.
So? You know one reason from one person and all of a sudden ALL former Catholics fit that profile?
Profile? Sure. Some disagree with the Church's stand on homosexuality; others marriage; others the Sacraments; others (open the Catechism at random and somebody will have a beef with it). But it all comes down to the idea of me, myself and I. I choose what to believe, when I want to believe it, where I want to believe it, how often I want to believe it, and how long I want to believe it before I wander off into something else.
The magic of Martin Luther's Reformation is the idea that one can create his own beliefs, theology and religion, like his 'every milkmaid' that he rued as he realized what he had done.
Teddy Kennedy was a Catholic, even got a Catholic funeral. Shall we paint all Catholics as a Kennedy, as adulterous, murdering, liars??
Far too many are. Far too many Baptists, Pentecostals, Methodists, Reformed, and what have you are as well. Can you name me any Baptists that have been excommunicated? Count for me the free will or the Calvinist Baptists that have been refused a Baptist funeral. Will you actually need a second hand of fingers, or will one do?
Using your standards.......
Please do. And show me where Freaky Freddy Phelps' Westboro Baptist Church has been dealt with in the manner that they appear to need. I don't mean to pick on the Baptists - I like the Baptists just fine. Select another denomination if you prefer.
Interesting, but not surprising.
I am a member of the PCA (Presbyterian Church of America). I believe that not long ago, the presbytery basically kicked a church out because they were not following correct doctrine. It is not that unusual. I also know several PCA pastors who will not marry couples. I also know of instances where people were not allowed to participate in communion and then asked to leave the church because of sin.
Just because you haven’t heard of it does not mean it doesn’t happen. It happens a lot more in evengelical churches than in the Roman church, IMO.
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