Posted on 05/09/2012 5:31:57 PM PDT by markomalley
With the endorsement of the amendment for the State Constitution of North Carolina, I thought that the true “ground zero” for the same-sex debate would now be Minnesota. It will also now be every ballot in every state in November.
From FNC:
President Obama on Wednesday endorsed same-sex marriages, becoming the first sitting U.S. president to take that position following days of speculation about his “evolving” stance on the issue.
The president used a hastily called TV interview to make his position clear.
“At a certain point, I’ve just concluded that for me personally, it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same-sex couples should be able to get married,” Obama told ABC News.[...]
BUT WAIT… THERE’s MORE.
In endorsing unnatural sex, Obama invoked Christ’s Sacrifice on the Cross.
“This is something that, you know, [Michelle and I have] talked about over the years and she, you know, she feels the same way, she feels the same way that I do. And that is that, in the end the values that I care most deeply about and she cares most deeply about is how we treat other people and, you know, I, you know, we are both practicing Christians and obviously this position may be considered to put us at odds with the views of others but, you know, when we think about our faith, the thing at root that we think about is, not only Christ sacrificing himself on our behalf, but it’s also the Golden Rule, you know, treat others the way you would want to be treated…”
Christ’s Sacrifice? The “Golden Rule”?
Christians understand that both are reflections of sacrificial love, charity, the former the ultimate example of the God man, the later human and earthly which echoes the former (cf. Luke 10:25-28).
Obama instrumentalized the Lord’s Sacrifice, the ultimate act of the love which is charity, to promote unnatural sex and the overturning of one of our most important societal bonds.
We, according to charity, must act for the true good of the other. It is not for the true good of another person to help them to sin or to undermine Christian morals. But that is exactly what Obama is doing. This is an astounding example of both scandal and blasphemy. It is beyond absurd to to invoke the Lord’s Sacrifice in an attempt to violate our human nature and God’s laws.
Obama invoked the Sacrifice of the Cross for the sake of justifying the destruction of the definition of “marriage”, as if that is “good” for people. It is NOT for the good of anyone, because it promotes and condones a sin that cries to heaven.
We cannot wish that people sin.
We cannot help them sin.
We cannot tell them that sin is good.
We cannot give them the means to sin so that they will sin.
We cannot defend the sins of others.
In charity, we must treat people with the affliction of sex-sex attraction according to their God-given dignity. In charity, we can NEVER condone their sinful acts.
It is the sin that we repudiate, not the people.
It can NEVER… NEVER be an act of Christian charity to call evil acts good, or to condone them, or to say that they are acceptable, or publicly to undermine morals that stem from our human nature. It can NEVER… NEVER… be a matter of “Golden Rule”, which is rooted in the true sacrificial love which is charity, to promote a change in the definition of marriage so that “same-sex marriage” can be marriage’s equivalent in any way.
What the President did was vile. Even though everyone knew that was his position, how vile to hear it framed in that way, publicly given voice.
He is an embarrassment to the United States. He is actively tearing at one of society’s most important social bonds. What he did is harmful to our country and to every citizen of every age, even those of same-sex attractions. It was NOT a reflection of either charity or the Golden Rule in any Christian sense. The Golden Rule does NOT mean “you do what you want and I’ll do what I want”.
Pres. Obama MUST be voted out of office.
St. Augustine teaches about charity, about real love, in his commentaries on the First Letter of John. Augustine describes three kinds of love. He explains that the greatest way of earthly love is enemy love, true charity for those who wish you ill and harm you.
I pray that I will be able to come to this sort of charity, in which I – may God have mercy on me and give me grace- fail so very often.
Obama enters uniquely dangerous territory with this.This is an affront to God.
Indeed. It would be like someone saying “Because I’m a feminist, I oppose women having the right to vote.” :? The libs wouldn’t put up with that kind of logic in their groups. So why do we Christians put up with it in ours?
Obama is at war with the Christian faith.
God’s wrath will come, in His time, but it will come. We must guard ourselves against the contaminations of the secular world until that day. This fight will be won by the Lord.
This man is an insufferable clod. Muslims don't believe that Christ died on the cross.
Obambi is a muslim through and through. To invoke His name while puking over God's word is disgusting. This foreigner has no shame.
AMEN!!
Sick as it is, this was well played by Obambi. Mitt will look bad no matter what he says, and will lose votes.
Got to love the media. When a Republican modifies his views (or even, simply states them) he is a flip flopper, liar, etc. When a Democrat does it (or just outright lies for convenience) he is evolving.
Obama is making statements that support gay marriage. Hopefully this will be his downfall. In every state where gay marriage has been has been on the ballot it has been soundly defeated. I think the number of those states in now 30. If the Republicans are on the ball they will hang him in the coming election with this issue.
Imagine this campaign slogan, “Support Gay Marriage, Vote For Obama.”
Satan frequently uses scripture.
Ecclesiastes 12:13,14——”Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter; Fear God and keep His commandments; for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.”
+1
It is more than obvious that when Obama speaks about Christianity and things of the Bible he is speaking a foreign language. He thinks, as a self-appointed intellectual, that he understands what he is talking about and is making sense, but does not realize that he is making it clear to Christians that he is not of them but outside of them.
To be sure, Christians harbor no particular animus toward homosexuality in comparison to other sins. They are opposed to sin in every form, and thus oppose the legitimization of this particular sin as much as they would of any sin. They do not want their civil government, which if it fulfills its God-given role is the left hand of God, endorsing as good and right that which they know to be wrong. But, from the point of view of the political left, this perspective is seen as - at best! - primitive and uninformed. That anyone would take the Ten Commandments seriously and be against adultery (in its many, many, many forms), the 6th Commandment, is as unfathomable as being against stealing, the 7th Commandment, and thus opposed to the imposition either of both the supposed absolute rights of the landed and monied and the supposed rights of the confiscatory left. Both are evil, and set themselves against the 7th Commandment.
Speculation. What speculation.
Everyone knew he was for gay marriage the only speculation was when he would announce. Like when he will announce he is coming out of the closet.
Don’t forget the 10th Commandment about coveting. Without covetuousness, the Democratic party would get no votes.
The two thieves are types for all of humanity: the one who recognizes his sin and his Savior - “We are receiving the just penalty for our deeds.” - and the one who does not.
God said specifically that homosexual sex was an abomination to him.How does Jesus’s sacrifice change that?
God said specifically that homosexual sex was an abomination to him.How does Jesus’s sacrifice change that?
Luke 23:42-43 My favorite verses.
We the nation will pay for OUR sins.
God have mercy on our souls!
obama is entering into very dangerous territory on so many levels.
It is an affront to the creator, but this human vermin thinks he is above all that.
It is an affront to islam, his primary home.
It is an affront to most black Americans.
It is an affront to most Americans period.
But he isn’t any different than he was before he was annointed. Just his true self is starting to come out.
And never forget who brought us this national nightmare.
The national level dimrat party and their media.
birds of a feather.....
Christ’s sacrifice for us was because of our SIN. The love was demonstrated, grace was demonstrated, because the Sin was great.
Where iniquity abounds, grace much more abounds.
That does not redefine the iniquity as good. It defines it as so terrible that it cost the life of the Son of God.
Homosexuality is clearly a sin according to the bible, and an abominable one at that. See Romans 1 & 2. Sin, including the sin of homosexuality, has not been relabeled as good.
Catholics and even many of the Paulinists would offer 2 Peter 2:6-10 and Jude 7 as two Biblical references opposing homosexuality that are neither from the Torah or the Letters of St. Paul.
“I explained that already.”
I reject your “explaination”.
FFFFUUUBBBOOO!!!!!
Too many dupes believe a shyster who says he is for something because “Jesus would be”.
Fornication is fornication,no matter which sex is involved.What do you think Jesus had in mind when he told that prostitute to go and sin no more?
President obama, just because you like to take it up the ass doesn't mean it should be enshrined in law.
I absolutely,positively give up.Go argue with God and your own conscience.I am done.
Indeed. Jesus is recorded in the Holy Bible as saying the following
“For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.”-Matthew 15:19
“For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders”-Mark 7:21
The word translated as fornications is translated from the Greek word porneia. Porneia is defined in English as the following:
1) illicit sexual intercourse
a) adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
b) sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
c) sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,12
2) metaph. the worship of idols
a) of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols
My source for this is as follows:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4202&t=NKJV
I think it’s a very effective rebuttal to the false “Jesus never said anything about homosexuality” argument.
obviously learned that from the great Reverend Wright.
I cannot speak for the teaching of every denomination, but most Christians would argue that the death of Christ abrogated the ritual law but not the moral law. Saint Paul in his letters never argues that Christ changed the moral law. Instead, Jesus and the Apostles speak only of abrogating the requirements of the ritual law, including but not limited to circumcision, purification of dishes, ritual purity and cleanliness, and the prohibition on the consumption of pork and other unclean foods. The Sacrifice on the Cross also surpasses and eliminates the need for animal, cereal, and other offerings in the Temple.
Moreover, the commandments of God do not consist solely of a list of prohibited actions: we can sin in thought and word and omission too. Jesus Himself identified love of God as the greatest commandment and love of fellow humans as the second greatest. And love is difficult, not emotive, potentially sacrificial, and never selfish: Jesus provided its greatest expression with His death on the Cross that we may live eternally with Him through our faith despite our sins.
With all due respect you probably ought to read the referenced passages. They are specifically addressing the sins of homosexuality and fornication.
I'm not sure what your point or purpose is, but regardless of denomination the people who frequent these threads are very knowledgeable of Scripture. We don't often agree on the interpretation, but trust me, you simply cannot bluff your way to a point.
it is not love for your neighbor to encourage him to engage and continue in behavior that will lead him to an eternity in hell...
Another in a long line of heresies.
If God had never said a word about homosexual acts being an “abomination” to Him, then it should not matter to anyone who the next man or woman chooses to “love”. But God DID say plenty about what He, personally, calls sin and for any person to condone what God has condemned puts that person in direct contradiction to Almighty God - to resisting God. In essence, they are telling God that they know better than He does about what is good.
A society that withstands the laws of nature and nature’s God, condemns itself in the process to oblivion. God will NOT stand idly by while His will is ignored. God’s will WILL be done on earth as it is in heaven - with or without America! Part of loving our neighbors as ourselves is sounding a warning when calamity is about to hit. Ignoring it or pretending it doesn’t matter is no different than asking for their destruction directly. God will not be mocked - we will reap whatever we sow.
Jesus came to fulfill the law, not to do away with it. And more than that, he came to offer himself as the perfect sacrifice for sin by, himself, keeping all the laws of God so that his sacrifice was pure and offered in our place because none of us is without sin. He paid the penalty of our sins on the cross.
The teachings of the Apostle Paul - which came by direct revelation from Jesus Christ - clarifies that we are not under bondage to the Mosaic law but under grace. Nothing Paul taught goes against the law of God nor does it abolish it but the purpose of that law is made manifest:
Galatians 3:23-25
But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
The law was put in place to demonstrate that we are sinners in need of a redeemer. As Paul said in Galatians 3:10-14,
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
As far as Jesus speaking about the "Ten Commandments", he prefaced all that he taught by saying the commandments of God could be summed up by two: love the Lord thy God and thy neighbor as yourselves. Though he did not mention homosexuality specifically, he does speak about the plan of God for marriage when he said, "Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?" (Matthew 19:4,5)
The Apostles continued to teach the truths of the SAME God (because there is only one) and, by Divine inspiration, condemned homosexual acts and all forms of sexual sin. So, no, neither Jesus NOR Paul ever nullified God's law. They affirmed it because God affirms it and they put it in its proper place - not as a way to God, but to point us to our need of a savior - pointing the way to Jesus Christ, the Messiah, God with us.
Blasphemy is grounds for impeachment?
Paul spoke of such evil, "And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." (Romans 1:28-31)
It would appear that the Apostle Paul goes even further in defining evil than the Torah does. But, again, the Law was NEVER meant to be the way to heaven with God. No one is righteous, no not one!
Well said!
Amen!
It would be nice if the Catholic Church were outspoken about these issues. How many here have EVER heard a homily about homosexual behavior?
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