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Inventing Muhammad? (Which of the many accounts of the Prophet Muhammad's life is true?)
American Thinker ^ | 04/23/2012 | By Robert Spencer

Posted on 04/23/2012 4:17:11 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Why would it matter if Muhammad never existed? Certainly the accepted story of Islam's origins is taken for granted as historically accurate; while many don't accept Muhammad's claim to have been a prophet, few doubt that there was a man named Muhammad who in the early seventh century began to claim that he was receiving messages from Allah through the angel Gabriel.

Many who hear about my new book "Did Muhammad Exist? An Inquiry Into Islam's Obscure Origins" ask why it would matter whether or not Muhammad existed -- after all, a billion Muslims believe he did, and they are not going to stop doing so because of some historical investigations. Yet the numerous indications that the standard account of Muhammad's life is more legend than fact actually have considerable implications for the contemporary political scene.

These are just a few of the weaknesses in the traditional account of Muhammad's life and the early days of Islam:

* No record of Muhammad's reported death in 632 appears until more than a century after that date.

* The early accounts written by the people the Arabs conquered never mention Islam, Muhammad, or the Qur'an.

* They call the conquerors "Ishmaelites," "Saracens," "Muhajirun," and "Hagarians," but never "Muslims."

* The Arab conquerors, in their coins and inscriptions, don't mention Islam or the Qur'an for the first six decades of their conquests. Mentions of "Muhammad" are non-specific and on at least two occasions are accompanied by a cross. The word can be used not only as a proper name, but also as an honorific.

* The Qur'an, even by the canonical Muslim account, was not distributed in its present form until the 650s.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: History; Islam; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: faithandphilosophy; godsgravesglyphs; islam; koran; mohammad; mohammed; muhammad; quran; robertspencer; spencer
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To: hadaclueonce

he and Larry had cheese.


51 posted on 05/02/2012 12:29:24 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (you are paying 12% more for fuel because of Ethanol. Smile big Corn Lobby,)
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To: rodguy911; seekthetruth

+1, and thanks for the ping STT!


52 posted on 05/02/2012 3:10:01 PM PDT by SirLurkedalot (Live Free Or Die)
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To: SeekAndFind

I suspect Mo really did exist. Many times the rest of the world starts to document a fellow only after his influence has grown big enough to be worth saving. Often that is only after all the original stuff has been lost or destroyed. Mo’s body is said to be laying in Medina but fat chance of getting that examined scientifically.


53 posted on 05/02/2012 3:47:04 PM PDT by Nateman (If liberals are not screaming you are doing it wrong!)
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To: Arrowhead1952; Lockbox; LocoAardvark; Logan's Nana; logocentric; lohrkearmstrong; lokii; ...
I hope Texas Freepers do not get upset with me for pinging them to this thread again, but this link is one Texas Freepers need to see. Whenever we can elect Conservatives who “get it” we need to give them our support.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/05/vote-to-stop-islamization-of-america-vote-itamar-gelbman-for-congress-from-texass-6th-district.html

54 posted on 05/03/2012 5:50:18 AM PDT by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: thesearethetimes...; bevperl; 1.shortfuse; 1PghLady; 26lemoncharlie; 2banana; 2findtheway; ...
Thank you, Tatt.

Here is a clip of Robert Spencer at the Conference. The group of protesters that he refers to is the small group we had to deal with at the sign in table. It was clear to me that they were there to disrupt and obviously are those who are in support of Islamic honor killings.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/05/video-robert-spencer-denounces-pro-honor-killing-dearborn-imam-at-jessica-mokdad-humn-rights-confere.html

55 posted on 05/03/2012 6:09:58 AM PDT by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: SirLurkedalot; bevperl; BattleFlag; cyberaxe; Lazurus; Paisan; SCDogPapa; upchuck; estrogen; ...
For those who wish to get a clear picture of the group who were there to protest Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer's efforts to bring the truth out about “honor killings” of young Muslim women, see here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi1Q4Vvs9pM&feature=player_embedded

And yes, some in this group tried to enter the Conference claiming they preregistered or tried to preregister. Needless to say, they had not preregistered and were not on the list. Nor could they show their registration conformation on their I-phones. They also knew that preregistration was required, and everyone had over three months to register.

The woman who said she saw one person enter the Conference after showing his registration conformation on his phone, we did find his name on the list that was updated just prior to the event. This was the same woman who stated at the sign in table: “I guess if I didn't have a scarf on I could get in.” To which I replied, “Oh no, dear, I had a scarf on earlier because it is so windy outside.”

We had to explain several times that pre-registration was required in order to attend the event due to the size of the conference room, which by the way, was full. None of the members of this group could show their registration confirmation at the sign in table.

56 posted on 05/03/2012 6:55:43 AM PDT by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: seekthetruth
I meant to add that the young Muslim woman did use the word “scarf” instead of “hijab”. I hope she is not on tape saying “scarf” instead of “hijab” as I would be concerned about her safety from punishment from her family members.
57 posted on 05/03/2012 7:03:01 AM PDT by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: seekthetruth

Thanks for Ping!


58 posted on 05/03/2012 8:44:23 AM PDT by johngrace (I am a 1 John 4! Christian- declared at every Sunday Mass , Divine Mercy and Rosary prayers!)
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To: Balding_Eagle
All Your Base Are Belong To Us
59 posted on 05/03/2012 10:45:18 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: seekthetruth

A problem that continues to be addressed but with little effect in the reality of things.


60 posted on 05/03/2012 12:36:16 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: seekthetruth
Thanks for the ping.

From the link:

Campaign mailer angers Tarrant County Muslims by Jim Douglas WFAA May 2, 2012

TARRANT COUNTY — Itamar Gelbman says he was born in New York, raised in Israel, and now wants to be the next congressman from the state's 6th District, which covers much of Tarrant County.

His mailers began arriving this week. Gelbman said he sent them to about 40,000 homes. Next to his picture, the card states: "Army lieutenant for Congress."

Gelbman served in the Israeli army, and among the issues he wants to fight for is to stop what he calls the "Islamization" of America.

61 posted on 05/03/2012 4:42:30 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Okay. Say a jihadi gets martyred in the Danish cartoon jihad. What kind of virgins does he get? Alice the Goon, Olive Oyl, Minnie Mouse? Could one be so lucky as to end up with Jessica Rabbit?


62 posted on 05/04/2012 1:32:43 AM PDT by Eagles6
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To: RobbyS

a hundred years from now, liberals were be saying nice things about Hitler because he provided vocations for the workers and got rid of those nasty people called Jews.

One hundred years from now, liberals will never say nice things about Hitler because he betrayed them (breaking the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact) when he invaded Russia (Operation Barbarossa) ... this is the origion of present day liberal hatred of all things Nazi, and why they are always calling conservatives “Nazis”.


63 posted on 05/04/2012 6:56:50 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Grimmy
Any manifestations of free thought are cured with public execution.

Also because free thought is to contradict allah, who has predetermined everything down to the subatomic level. Islam is the antithesis of Christianity and Judaism.

64 posted on 05/04/2012 7:04:44 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Nateman
Mo had to exist because the political part would go to dust without a prophet ‘comparable’ to Christ - which is how most westerners think of Mo and islam.

Actually existing and having to exist are two different things.

Mo ascended to Heaven at the Far Temple said to be Dome of the Rock — which did not exist at the time but was created much later as a tourist attraction by the caliph of the time (who had moved his court from Amman to Jerusalem on a whim) to keep his restless court from getting out of hand.

During the time of mo (if he existed as a real person or not) he was said to have many ermines and he was being pursued by assassins. The question is why would he have travailed through very dangerous territory to some forsaken village months away from Mecca?

The whole bit was simply invented to create more similarities to Christ. Of course, Christ unlike mo did not personally behead 400 people ... That alone should be enough of a clue.

65 posted on 05/04/2012 7:21:22 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Marine_Uncle; 1.shortfuse; 1PghLady; 26lemoncharlie; 2banana; 2findtheway; 4yearlurker; ...
Here is another great interview from the Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer Conference last Sunday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91JCG0zDcLo

66 posted on 05/04/2012 2:26:17 PM PDT by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: PIF

Now, the left hated Hitler for taking Germany away from them in 1932-33 and Spain in 1936-38. This what gulled the West into making a deal with Hitler in 1938. He then flipped on them are made the pact with Stalin. But then he outsmarted himself by going to war with the USSR a year or more before the Wehrmacht was fully ready to take on the Red Army.


67 posted on 05/04/2012 2:34:14 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: PIF

Mo rode to hell on a dream horse called “Barrack”. Kind of like how the current Barrack is taking us. (Which leads me to say “Scr*w you Mo and the horse you rode in on!”)


68 posted on 05/04/2012 2:39:59 PM PDT by Nateman (If liberals are not screaming you are doing it wrong!)
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To: seekthetruth

I can visualize if the Kenyan usurper where to have watched the video of how he would have a real snarky look on his face.


69 posted on 05/04/2012 3:52:42 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: humblegunner

Top notch story-—(and a great ‘storyteller’)——now I know the ‘facts’


70 posted on 05/05/2012 10:41:40 PM PDT by cmomm44
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To: chesley

Remember-—John the Baptist was not ‘The Christ’ either, just a forerunner


71 posted on 05/05/2012 10:45:03 PM PDT by cmomm44
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To: chesley

Remember-—John the Baptist was not ‘The Christ’ either, just a forerunner


72 posted on 05/05/2012 10:45:13 PM PDT by cmomm44
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To: cmomm44

That’s a good point, and one that I hadn’t considered.


73 posted on 05/06/2012 7:40:34 AM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: seekthetruth

“Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.” - Manuel II Palelologus


74 posted on 05/07/2012 8:24:19 PM PDT by MarkSevier (*Always ask the Right Questions*)
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To: SeekAndFind

I like the spore theory


75 posted on 05/08/2012 12:49:42 PM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.....Eagle Scout since Sep 9, 1970)
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To: P8riot

RE: I like the spore theory

What on earth is that? Was he seeded by Aliens or something?


76 posted on 05/08/2012 1:20:52 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: MarkSevier; bevperl; All
We were there to see this victory!

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/05/huge-victory-dupage-rejects-mosqueislamic-center-in-a-house-on-quiet-residential-street.html

77 posted on 05/09/2012 6:49:59 AM PDT by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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