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ROMNEY AT LIBERTY LEADS TO ANGRY STUDENT RESPONSE [Falwell's U. issues Mitt commencement invite]
WorldNetDaily/CNN ^ | April 21, 2012

Posted on 04/22/2012 1:25:08 PM PDT by Colofornian

'University should have gotten a Christian to speak not someone who practices a cult'

(CNN) Liberty University students and alumni are accusing the Christian school of violating its own teachings by asking Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, a member of the Church of...Mormons, to deliver its 2012 commencement address.

By Friday morning, more than 700 comments had been posted on the school’s Facebook page about the Thursday announcement – a majority of them decidedly against the Chancellor Jerry Falwell Jr.’s invitation, citing that the school had taught them Mormonism isn’t part of the Christian faith.

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TOPICS: Current Events; Evangelical Christian; Other non-Christian; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: 2012commencements; christianschools; highereducation; lds; liberty; libertyu; mittromney; mormon; va2012
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'University should have gotten a Christian to speak not someone who practices a cult'

(CNN) Liberty University students and alumni are accusing the Christian school of violating its own teachings by asking Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, a member of the Church of...Mormons, to deliver its 2012 commencement address. By Friday morning, more than 700 comments had been posted on the school’s Facebook page about the Thursday announcement – a majority of them decidedly against the Chancellor Jerry Falwell Jr.’s invitation, citing that the school had taught them Mormonism isn’t part of the Christian faith.

Yup. We saw this coming...where even Christians start becoming apologists and shills for a cult.

The sifting is here...

1 posted on 04/22/2012 1:25:16 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

It’s heartening that the students are protesting, though.


2 posted on 04/22/2012 1:27:06 PM PDT by Politicalmom (THIS IS NOT A GOP CHEERLEADING SITE!!!)
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To: Colofornian

And yet in 2010 when Glen Beck was the speaker, the students cheered at the announcement. I guess those folks graduated.


3 posted on 04/22/2012 1:36:03 PM PDT by Burkean (.)
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To: Politicalmom; All
It’s heartening that the students are protesting, though.

Yes...all can read several student Facebook comments about refusing to go thru the commencement @ the CNN article here: Liberty's choice of Romney leads to angry student response

4 posted on 04/22/2012 1:42:55 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Moutm when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: Colofornian
I imagine at one time Harvard's students got upset when it shifted from being a purely christian university to embrace speakers of other disciplines.

A university will have to decide what it wants. It if wants purely christian education, it will desire a certain slate of speakers. If it wants to educate students in a variety of disciplines, it will want to invite speakers who are specialists in their fields...not necessarily christians.

5 posted on 04/22/2012 1:48:53 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Colofornian

HohLeeeeee!

Didn’t see that one coming. /S

What the hell were they thinking?

“This oughtta be funny”. ???


6 posted on 04/22/2012 1:52:32 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Colofornian

The problem with Willard isn’t that he’s a Mormon, it’s that he is an absolutely immoral abomination and pathological liar. For someone with his (lack of) character traits, he has no business addressing any religious university.


7 posted on 04/22/2012 1:57:19 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
The problem with Willard isn’t that he’s a Mormon, it’s that he is an absolutely immoral abomination and pathological liar. For someone with his (lack of) character traits, he has no business addressing any religious university.

Given that Lds teaches that temple Mormons are "gods in embryo" on their way to full-grown godhood, let's reverse this for a moment & try on your statement for size.

Let's say tomorrow Obama claims he is Messiah II...but says he won't discuss if further.

Then, in all the reactions to that "pronouncement," you come on and claim: "The problem with Zero isn’t that he thinks he's Messiah II, it’s that he is an absolutely immoral abomination and pathological liar."

So...you're telling us you're not adverse to ANY POTUS candidate claiming to be "Jesus." You'll just "roll" with that, eh?

And I suppose you go in on all of our "Obama is a 'closet Muslim'" threads and announce, "The problem with Zero isn't that he's a 'closet Muslim...'"

Are you consistent there?

8 posted on 04/22/2012 2:04:20 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Moutm when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: Colofornian

I get so bloody tired of this; my religion, faith and creed, is the only true religion, faith and creed and is is better than your evil stupid religion, faith and creed, I could scream.

[”Self-righteousness is a loud din raised to drown the voice of guilt within us.”] Eric Hoffer


9 posted on 04/22/2012 2:15:49 PM PDT by Sea Parrot (Nations are only truly great when it's people are struggling against all odds, growing and expanding)
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To: Sea Parrot
I get so bloody tired of this; my religion, faith and creed, is the only true religion, faith and creed and is is better than your evil stupid religion, faith and creed, I could scream. [”Self-righteousness is a loud din raised to drown the voice of guilt within us.”] Eric Hoffer (said Sea Parrot, rather self-righteously, I might add)

There.

Your own "self-righteousness" just refuted yourself!

10 posted on 04/22/2012 2:23:54 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Moutm when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: Burkean
And yet in 2010 when Glen Beck was the speaker, the students cheered at the announcement

I'm not holding my breath waiting for the bigots to respond to that little piece of information!

11 posted on 04/22/2012 2:35:15 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Sea Parrot
I get so bloody tired of this; my religion, faith and creed, is the only true religion, faith and creed and is is better than your evil stupid religion, faith and creed, I could scream. [”Self-righteousness is a loud din raised to drown the voice of guilt within us.”] Eric Hoffer

As further explanation of my last comment: So you don't like the apparent exclusiveness & intolerance you perceive, eh? Based upon some apparent self-claim to a higher moral ground or "self-righteousness," eh?

Well, aren't you also intolerant of these postures?

Don't you claim to be exclusively condemning this?

Haven't you carved out for yourself some higher moral ground or ground of "self-righteousness" that claims condemnation upon these groups?

Why is your stand automatically accorded a position that will trump or upstage theirs?

Is your individual religion, faith and creed -- even if it's only SeaParrotism -- so "sacred" that only YOU have a license to self-righteously condemn others?

Who gave you such a license? Or are YOU the highest religious authority you know and it was self-issued?

Are you a "god" (small 'g')?

12 posted on 04/22/2012 2:37:40 PM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Moutm when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: Colofornian

I understand what you’re saying. I don’t agree with LDS theology, nor of any religion that would lead their followers to believe they are “Gods.” My point was that if Liberty U. was to have a Mormon speaker, I’m sure they could find someone who isn’t so viscerally antithetical to their standards of behavior and ideology (although clearly the theology differs).


13 posted on 04/22/2012 2:39:59 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: Colofornian
Well, they should do the right thing and refuse to attend, or do a walk out en masse.

The KOLOBIAN should have been jeered out of this race in derision months ago, time to go all Ceausescu on him.

14 posted on 04/22/2012 2:50:51 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Rick Santorum -Mission Accomplished)
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To: Colofornian

You have to understand that the only intolerance that is tolerated is intolerance to Christians because they are intolerant.

Pray for America


15 posted on 04/22/2012 2:51:54 PM PDT by bray (Power to We the People)
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To: Colofornian

I saw this on my local news the other night. I was so heartened to see the students’ response. One of them said, “Mitt Romney shares NONE of our values and has no business being here.” I’m proud of the LU kids.


16 posted on 04/22/2012 3:04:01 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: hinckley buzzard

17 posted on 04/22/2012 3:06:35 PM PDT by colorcountry (In order to practice tolerance, I must first disagree. But when I do, I'm accused of being intoleran)
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To: Colofornian

What’s wrong with these kids? This is the same type of absurd, knee-jerk reaction that showed up when Kennedy was elected as the first catholic to hold the office. Let’s leave it to the left to do these charades.


18 posted on 04/22/2012 3:20:04 PM PDT by AntiObamaBot
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To: AntiObamaBot

What’s wrong with them? They don’t want an abortion-enabling, homosexual-loving liberal as their commencement speaker. And the fact that he is a member of a cult which blasphemes and denies the Bible makes it worse.

And you compare that to being Catholic? Really??


19 posted on 04/22/2012 3:29:45 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: Colofornian

I’d really like to know; I’d like to hear the school administration’s rationale for this decision, and how are they justifying it.


20 posted on 04/22/2012 3:39:53 PM PDT by Mean Maryjean
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To: Colofornian; Politicalmom

They are absolutely right. Mormonism is no more Christian than is Islam. Both of them were flaky neo-pagan cults that referenced a few Biblical things (mostly OT, but some references to Jesus as a prophet) and then went off on their own...the planet Kolub, the founder looking through a crystal in his hat to find gold, the married god with his harem, male believers getting their own planets, the prophet getting child brides, killers getting 72 virgins, the black meteor in Mecca with its vagina-shaped silver hole...it’s a little hard to tell the difference.

The Catholic Church does not accept Mormon baptisms as legitimate, incidentally, because the Mormon intention is not to baptize a child into the life of the Trinity, but to claim the child for their cult. I think most orthodox Protestants don’t accept it either.


21 posted on 04/22/2012 3:44:52 PM PDT by livius
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To: AntiObamaBot

That’s not the same. This strain of Protestantism hated Catholics and was dominant in the South and made life ugly for Catholics hre, but at the same time, there was no doubt that there was such a thing as a Christian faith. While they hated Catholics (who were hated as much as blacks in the South, and were also attacked by the KKK), almost all of them realized that this was an inter-Christian dispute.

The problem with Mormonism is that it is NOT CHRISTIAN, and this school has no defense for permitting somebody like that to speak to them. Well, unless they present him as a non-Christian they feature, such as some Hindu who might be a good speaker...but they’re not doing that.


22 posted on 04/22/2012 3:51:13 PM PDT by livius
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To: fieldmarshaldj

That school shouldn’t have a Mormon speaker, because Mormons are NOT Christians.


23 posted on 04/22/2012 3:53:05 PM PDT by livius
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To: Colofornian

Glenn Beck spoke there, didn’t he?

Mormonism’s theology is not orthodox.

Obama’s black liberation theology is not orthodox.

If you want to vote for someone ELECTABLE, I am sorry, but it is going to have to be ONE of those two people (as it stands today—of course that could change).

So if you’re going to base your vote on theology, you’re not going to be able to vote for an orthodox Christian believer.


24 posted on 04/22/2012 3:54:56 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Colofornian
More about cults: Cults, Movements, World Religions
Sects and Satanic Cults

25 posted on 04/22/2012 3:59:56 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Colofornian

God bless these students and alumni.


26 posted on 04/22/2012 4:00:45 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: AntiObamaBot

At least Catholics are Christians. Did you know that? Mormons are not!


27 posted on 04/22/2012 4:03:42 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
"At least Catholics are Christians. Did you know that? Mormons are not!

But they say they are, so they must be! /s

28 posted on 04/22/2012 4:10:05 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: Colofornian; vox_freedom
Posted earlier today on our FReepathon thread by vox_freedom.

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29 posted on 04/22/2012 4:20:01 PM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

So let me understand this. Would the students object to Obama delivering the commencement address? If they would accept Obama but not Romney, just what would that mean?


30 posted on 04/22/2012 4:28:32 PM PDT by svxdave (Life is too short to wear a fake Rolex.)
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To: svxdave

“Would the students object to Obama delivering the commencement address? “

You’d have to ask the students that.


31 posted on 04/22/2012 4:34:46 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Colofornian

Haven’t they ever had a non-christian speak at the college before?


32 posted on 04/22/2012 4:50:39 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: colorcountry

It sounds like you’re implying that Obama is “a Christian with an African name”, but I must be missing something.

For clearification: First, “Barack Hussein Obama” isn’t an African name. Second, he wrote in his own autobiography that “when an ill wind blows, I’ll stand with the Muslims”. Third, the “Christian” church he attended preached Black Liberation Theology — definitely not Christian.

Romney’s cult is just as bad.

You’d think that in America we could come up with one single solitary Christian to run for president. Couldn’t we find ONE???


33 posted on 04/22/2012 4:52:43 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: Politicalmom
It’s heartening that the students are protesting, though.

Hope for the future.

34 posted on 04/22/2012 4:59:59 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: Rome2000

Uh, you might want to rephrase that.


35 posted on 04/22/2012 5:00:51 PM PDT by stellaluna
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To: Rome2000

Uh, you might want to rephrase that.


36 posted on 04/22/2012 5:01:01 PM PDT by stellaluna
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To: Rome2000

Uh, you might want to rephrase that.


37 posted on 04/22/2012 5:01:01 PM PDT by stellaluna
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To: Sea Parrot

You are so right, Eric. Religion is Christianity’s worst enemy!


38 posted on 04/22/2012 5:03:04 PM PDT by lu shissler
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To: colorcountry
And the # 1 reason why Romney is not electable:

He is a LIAR on every major issue that is important to conservatives!

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Liar, Liar, pants on fire.

39 posted on 04/22/2012 5:25:57 PM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: Sea Parrot
I get so bloody tired of this; my religion, faith and creed, is the only true religion, faith and creed and is is better than your evil stupid religion, faith and creed, I could scream.

When I get tired of a certain subject on F.R., I just quit clicking on them myself.

40 posted on 04/22/2012 6:07:22 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Romney vs. Obama? One of them has to lose, rejoice in that fact, whichever it is.)
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To: Colofornian

I also graduated from a Christian college that was Baptist...

It would have been unthinkable there to invite an anti-Christian to speak to young Christian men and women

among them men going on to Seminary to be Baptist preachers of the Christian Bible..


41 posted on 04/22/2012 6:19:48 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Haven’t they ever had a non-christian speak at the college before?
_________________________________

Yes

The Mormon Glenn Beck spoke there 2 years ago...


42 posted on 04/22/2012 6:22:18 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: colorcountry
re: your comparison of Repubs reaction to Obamas religion and that of Romney.

the difference is Obama lies about his islamic connections abd beliefs and Romney is open and above board with his beliefs...

43 posted on 04/22/2012 8:03:56 PM PDT by terycarl (lurking, but well informed)
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To: Colofornian

“The uncompromising attitude is more indicative of an inner uncertainty than of deep conviction. The implacable stand is directed more against the doubt within than the assailant without.” Eric Hoffer


44 posted on 04/23/2012 12:45:54 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (Nations are only truly great when it's people are struggling against all odds, growing and expanding)
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To: Colofornian

Bombastic rhetoric is no substitute for a reasoned rebuttal.


45 posted on 04/23/2012 12:48:03 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (Nations are only truly great when it's people are struggling against all odds, growing and expanding)
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To: livius

Thanks for the comment.

You hit it right about the RC Church NOT accepting the Mormon baptism. What surprised me is that you use the term “Orthodox” in regards to the Protestants, unless you are refering to the Eastern Churches? I tend to use the word “conservative” in regards to churches, but that is me.


46 posted on 04/23/2012 3:13:50 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Sea Parrot

By looking at this thread, it looks like reasonable rebuttals.


47 posted on 04/23/2012 3:17:48 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

I use small “o” referring to them, meaning that they accept the basic Trinitarian beliefs and the faith expressed in the Creed. Some of the “modern” Protestant churches, or at least what they have become, don’t accept these beliefs anymore. I’m not sure what they believe...


48 posted on 04/23/2012 4:55:53 AM PDT by livius
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To: Burkean
And yet in 2010 ...

You can learn a LOT in 2 years!!

49 posted on 04/23/2012 4:57:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Sea Parrot
I get so bloody tired of this; my religion, faith and creed, is the only true religion, faith and creed and is is better than your evil stupid religion, faith and creed, I could scream.

I know exACTly what you mean!!!


Matthew Chapter 23

  1.  Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
  2.  "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
  3.  So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
  4.  They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
  5.  "Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries  wide and the tassels on their garments long;
  6.  they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;
  7.  they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them `Rabbi.'
  8.  "But you are not to be called `Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.
  9.  And do not call anyone on earth `father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
 10.  Nor are you to be called `teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.
 11.  The greatest among you will be your servant.
 12.  For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
 13.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. 
 14.  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. 
 15.   "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are. 
 16.  "Woe to you, blind guides! You say, `If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
 17.  You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
 18.  You also say, `If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.'
 19.  You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
 20.  Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
 21.  And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
 22.  And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
 23.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
 24.  You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
 25.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
 26.  Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
 27.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!  You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
 28.  In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
 29.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
 30.  And you say, `If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
 31.  So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.
 32.  Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
 33.  "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
 34.  Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
 35.  And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
 36.  I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
 37.  "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
 38.  Look, your house is left to you desolate.
 39.  For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, `Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.' "
 

50 posted on 04/23/2012 5:00:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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