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CHRISLAM: The Whore of Babylon in it's final appearance?
CHRISLAM ^ | 03/17/2012 | CHRISLAM

Posted on 03/17/2012 3:42:24 AM PDT by RaceBannon

"We are brothers, We are a family of God. Not one of us is better than the other in His eyes. He loves us both. The future can only be won against the "Evil one" by all of us standing strong together."

Malcom X


TOPICS: Apologetics; Current Events; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: babylon; chrislam; islam; whore
Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

Rev 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Rev 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Rev 17:9 And here [is] the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, [and] the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Rev 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him [are] called, and chosen, and faithful.

Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

Rev 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

http://www.chrislam.org/

1 posted on 03/17/2012 3:42:27 AM PDT by RaceBannon
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2 posted on 03/17/2012 3:49:03 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Romney would surrender to Islam as fast as Obama promotes it)
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To: RaceBannon; null and void
...The future can only be won against the "Evil one" by all of us standing strong together."

Malcom X

Well now, it's obvious X was the baby daddy. He surely looked straight into lil Barry's eyes, and prophesied.

3 posted on 03/17/2012 3:50:57 AM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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4 posted on 03/17/2012 3:55:53 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Romney would surrender to Islam as fast as Obama promotes it)
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To: Ezekiel

do a google search, did you see the woman at the Malcom X funeral who people think is Stanley Ann Dunham? It is a youtube video, too, very clear shots, the page it hosted it on also shows how all of her public photos have been photoshopped and colored in to hide her shape of her mouth and length of her hair


5 posted on 03/17/2012 3:58:25 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Romney would surrender to Islam as fast as Obama promotes it)
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To: RaceBannon
It's been a while - I never saw anything definitive. Now THIS video, OTOH... I mean, if the resemblance isn't enough, just watch his subtle facial expressions.
6 posted on 03/17/2012 4:11:15 AM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: RaceBannon
No such thing. Won't happen except maybe among the Liberal “churches” that have abandoned God and Christ already.

“Chrislam” would be apostasy to Moslems and good for a death sentence.

And, for Christians, if there is no savior, there is no point.

7 posted on 03/17/2012 4:12:23 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: RaceBannon

This “committee” of christlam members is composed of 5 islamists and 2 supposed-Christians ... this is just another layer of lies prommulgated by islamists to demonstrate how well they can get along with everyone else - by domination!


8 posted on 03/17/2012 4:14:34 AM PDT by Ken522
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To: Ken522

Rick Warren was also part of it at one time, too

he’s denying it, but, he had to say something to get connected in the first place

http://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=toolbar-instant&hl=en&ion=1&qscrl=1&nord=1&rlz=1T4RNTN_enUS381US381#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&safe=off&qscrl=1&nord=1&rlz=1T4RNTN_enUS381US381&site=webhp&q=rick+warren+chrislam+&oq=rick+warren+chrislam+&aq=f&aqi=g4&aql=1&gs_sm=3&gs_upl=3519l3519l2l3807l1l1l0l0l0l0l94l94l1l1l0&gs_l=hp.3..0l4.3519l3519l2l3807l1l1l0l0l0l0l94l94l1l1l0.pfwc.1.&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=d9678b8ac6d94833&ion=1&biw=1245&bih=542


9 posted on 03/17/2012 4:18:36 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Romney would surrender to Islam as fast as Obama promotes it)
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To: sauropod

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10 posted on 03/17/2012 4:22:37 AM PDT by sauropod (You can elect your very own tyranny - Mark Levin)
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To: RaceBannon

Well, isn’t that special: something both Christians and Muslims can find equally pukesome. I guess if they’re trying to unite two fundamentally incompatible religions, they might be onto something...


11 posted on 03/17/2012 4:34:29 AM PDT by Méabh
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To: Ezekiel

Islam is already Christlam. Islam is just a syncretic mishmash of Old and New Testament scriptures and histroy with Muhammed’s taste for violence, murder and subjugation thrown in. Every theological aspect of islam is just some bastardization of Christianity.


12 posted on 03/17/2012 4:38:31 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Ezekiel

is it me or does Barry have a striking resemblance to Malcolm X?


13 posted on 03/17/2012 5:44:43 AM PDT by leenie312
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To: circlecity

Spot on! This insane death cult is nothing more than a “Me, too!” knockoff with a “special sauce.” Stinking blight upon humanity.


14 posted on 03/17/2012 5:47:59 AM PDT by MarineDad (Wherever mosques and JDAM's meet, civilization benefits)
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To: circlecity
Every theological aspect of islam is just some bastardization of Christianity.

I had a muslim (nice person) tell me that "Mohammed is the one true prophet". It is a hard sell to Christians, because 6-700 years after Christ the "true" phrophet finally shows up? By then Christianity had proliferated to well established roots. It don't make no sense.

15 posted on 03/17/2012 6:12:48 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Neo-communist equals Neo-fascist)
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To: Little Ray
“Chrislam” would be apostasy to Moslems and good for a death sentence.

But Chrislam does make sense with one condition. We discussed the "rapture" in our (coonservative) Bible class for several weeks. After all the believers are gone, the ones left are subject to a great deception. Chrislam, or a variation of it, must be part of this deception. A one world religion.

16 posted on 03/17/2012 6:19:11 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Neo-communist equals Neo-fascist)
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To: VRW Conspirator

I also believe that after the rapture, that the unhindered, evil violence of islam will be a tool used by God to pour out His wrath upon the world.

There is Biblical and historical precedence for God using the most ungodly for His purposes.


17 posted on 03/17/2012 7:12:59 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: RaceBannon

I will have to book mark this to have time to review all these posts.


18 posted on 03/17/2012 7:12:59 AM PDT by mel (There are only 2 races decent and undecent people)
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To: RaceBannon; Ezekiel; All

A very interesting, informative, educational post; links; thread. Thanks.

Fislam

Life, liberty and the pursuit and destruction of totalitarians.


19 posted on 03/17/2012 7:22:34 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: MikeSteelBe
I also believe that after the rapture, that the unhindered, evil violence of islam will be a tool used by God to pour out His wrath upon the world.

Have you not read that God uses his angels to pour out his wrath upon the earth? Read Revelation 8, 9, 15, 16. The ungodly will not be his "agents", they will be the objects of his wrath.

20 posted on 03/17/2012 7:27:56 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: nonsporting

Have you not read the Old Testament?

What happened to Samson for his disobedience? What about the Babylonian exile?

What about the holocaust? Was God too weak or scared of Hitler to stop it?

Gods use of the ungodly to judge and discipline His people is a very clear biblical concept.


21 posted on 03/18/2012 5:21:32 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: MikeSteelBe
Have you not read the Old Testament? What happened to Samson for his disobedience? What about the Babylonian exile? ...

I answered your claim regarding the rapture. You said that God will use sinful men to carry out his wrath. I gave you clear scripture references to show that God uses his angels to pour out his wrath on the earth AFTER the elect are removed (the Day of the Lord).

God does not use evil men to carry out this judgement. These men are running to hide themselves in the clefts of the rocks when the day of the Lord arrives:

12* And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13* And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. 14* And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15* And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; (Revelation 6:12-15)

22 posted on 03/19/2012 6:11:44 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: nonsporting

Perhaps “discipline and judgement” are better terms than wrath. God still uses the ungodly for his purposes per Romans 8:28.

God specifically told Hagar He had a plan for her offspring Ishmael.

I suggest you study you entire bible instead of proof-texting a verse from Revelations.


23 posted on 03/19/2012 12:00:13 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: MikeSteelBe
Perhaps “discipline and judgement” are better terms than wrath. God still uses the ungodly for his purposes per Romans 8:28.

You quote Romans 8 out of context -- it has to do with the suffering of saints, not the wrath which God will pour out on his enemies. Remember, you brought up this topic, namely, the post rapture events.

"Wrath" is a good Bible word. John the Baptist used it:

"But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?" (Matthew 3:7; see also Luke 3:7).

John the beloved also used the word:

"He who believes in the Son has everlasting life: and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him" (John 3:36)

This is a disturbing picture of the pending wrath which awaits every unbeliever, although he doesn't know it. Every unsaved person we know, upon death, will discover to his horror the wrath of the God. (See the story of the rich man and Lazarus -- Luke 16:19-31).

Jesus describes the events which must precede his return. See Matthew 24, Mark 13, Revelation 1:7. I presented Revelation, because it covers the post rapture events twice from different perspectives.

The day of the Lord is mentioned in many places, but the clearest are in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21, which give us confirming and conforming accounts of the events preceding the day of the Lord and the rapture. Revelation provides considerably more detail of the day of the Lord (and, of course, the events which follow):

"[Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. (15) And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and rocks of the mountains (16) and said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the of the Lamb!] (17) For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?" (Revelation 6:15-17)

This is not the perspective of those who will be raptured, but those who remain to receive his wrath.

God specifically told Hagar He had a plan for her offspring Ishmael.

Yes, and Paul explains the significance of this plan:

"Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much long suffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction." (Romans 9:22; see also Galatians 4:22-31 where Paul explains the significance of Hagar and the freewoman.)

I suggest you study you entire bible instead of proof-texting a verse from Revelations.

Revelation has no "s".

My use of Revelation for doctrine on this topic is not "proof-texting". (You have used this term carelessly.) Revelation EXPLICITELY states how God's wrath will be poured out, when he returns: compare Revelation 8:1-10:8 and Revelation 16:1-17. This was a subject which you brought up -- you [erroneously] speculated that God might use the ungodly to "discipline and judge" after the rapture. I corrected you with scripture in context.

24 posted on 03/19/2012 5:16:47 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: nonsporting

You still failed to address my other point, namely that things like the Babylonian exile and holocaust were examples of God using ungodly people as discipline and judgement upon His people.

Revelation 3:19 says that God disciplines those He loves.

What part of God allowing the ungodly to cause the godly to suffer as discipline for disobedience is too difficult for you to understand?

Romans 8:28 applies to this - God’s word is still truth, before and after the rapture.


25 posted on 03/21/2012 4:40:06 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: MikeSteelBe
You still failed to address my other point, namely that things like the Babylonian exile and holocaust were examples of God using ungodly people as discipline and judgement upon His people.

I was NEVER discussing this point.

26 posted on 03/21/2012 7:28:30 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: nonsporting

You went into great detail “correcting” my use of the term “wrath of God” referring to post tribulation events.

I admitted MY use of the term “wrath” was incorrect.

All I was trying to do was make a point that after the rapture, radical islamist will continue their brutality, thinking they are doing the will of allah, but they are really doing the will of God.

I’m not sure what point you were trying to make with your statement of the term “wrath” being a sound biblical word, but you obviously misunderstood my point.

I pray that your self esteem got whatever boost it needed by correcting my error.


27 posted on 03/21/2012 4:00:37 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: MikeSteelBe
All I was trying to do was make a point that after the rapture, radical islamist will continue their brutality, thinking they are doing the will of allah, but they are really doing the will of God.

If one presumes a pre-tribulation (not pre-wrath) rapture, this may be true. But I am not a pre-tribber. Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, 2 Thess 2, make it clear that Chrisitans will undergo great tribulation/affliction, such as the world has not known up until that time. When the day of the Lord arrives, that is when the elect (believers) will be raptured, and God will pour out his wrath. Islamicists and everyone else who is left will be scrambling to simply survive the judgment which immediately follows.

I’m not sure what point you were trying to make with your statement of the term “wrath” being a sound biblical word, but you obviously misunderstood my point.

I was trying to get you to state your presuppositions, while I revealed my own. I do not equate tribulation/affliction with wrath, because the Bible preserves this distinction. I supplied numerous verses (in context) to show this. You called this "proof-texting" (unkind).

I pray that your self esteem got whatever boost it needed by correcting my error.

Hardly. I find such discussions unpleasant. Egos are fragile, people take offense so easily. This forum is particular difficult for the thin skinned.

28 posted on 03/22/2012 10:44:55 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: nonsporting

I am a pre-tribber, and I respectfully disagree with your presuppositions. Good day.


29 posted on 03/23/2012 12:50:39 PM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was, as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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