Posted on 12/26/2011 12:46:40 PM PST by rzman21
Polycarp references all 27 of the (Protestant) New Testament books without any reference to your apocrypha and called these references scripture...
Polycarp knew he had the written scriptures as we have them in the 2nd century...
The article is written from the perspective of one who is an enemy of Christ.
>>Are you including yourself?
Did you read the article?
If you are going to question the OT Canon because Jerome questioned it then you should regard Revelation as apocryphal for similar reasons.
Nothing in the article glorifies Christ, the work of God the Holy Spirit, nor the Plan of the Father, but attempts to counterfeit the authority of God with their personal worldly judgment.
The Word of God just didn’t happen to evolve when a body of bishops voted upon it.
Bears repeating...
Nothing in the article glorifies Christ, the work of God the Holy Spirit, nor the Plan of the Father, but attempts to counterfeit the authority of God with their personal worldly judgment.
>>Your remarks sound like your run of the mill Protestant Bible reading.
Jerome didn't question the OT canon...He reject the Catholic version of it...But was ordered to include it anyway...
And why should anyone regard Revelation as apocryphal???
If it weren’t for the bishops, you wouldn’t know what the Word of God was. :)
The Evangelical position has more to do with anti-Catholic petulance than it does reason.
And why should anyone regard Revelation as apocryphal???
>>Because numerous early writers considered it such.
So you can’t have it both ways on the OT canon.
Certainly. They believe that the NT is canon because the Church declared it and that the OT is contains 'Apocrypha' in spite of what the Church declared.
Their confusion on doctrines come about in part because of their confusion on what constitutes Revelation and teaching authority.
Much of what we get around here from Protestant posters reflects two-dimensional thinking.
You are being very generous, my friend.
Fundamentalists, whether Catholic or Protestant, are plagued by an inability to think through problems apart from a superficial reading.
Most Protestants have a superficial understanding of the Bible that doesn’t scratch the surface.
Most Protestants have a superficial understanding of the Bible that doesn’t scratch the surface.
I have run across a number of exceptions to that description; they have all with two exceptions joined the Faith, and those two are wavering...
The Word of God Glorifies Christ. The 66 books of Scripture composing the canon of Scripture were inspired by God the Holy Spirit in the authors, all with the spiritual gifts to provide all mankind with His Word.
He is a God of the living, not a God of the dead.
A flowchart of the article is framed from an adverse perception. It perceives the historic institutional acceptance of the Bible is problematic, confused, and uncertain, but one thing noted with certainty from that perspective, is that the Bible couldn’t just be the Word of God......but it sure has a lot of nice stuff in it from people we accept as being within the authority of the RCC, so let’s not just throw it all away yet. /s
Any commentary of Scripture which casts doubt as to the veracity of His Word and what He provides in His Word is not veritable.
Eph 1:15-23
(15) Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
(16) Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;
(17) That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
(18) The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
(19) And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
(20) Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
(21) Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
(22) And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
(23) Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
1Jn 5:10-12
(10) He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
(11) And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
(12) He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
The 66 books of Scripture composing the canon of Scripture were inspired by God the Holy Spirit in the authors, all with the spiritual gifts to provide all mankind with His Word.
>>What verse in scripture says there are 66 books and not 5 books?
What is your authority for saying there aren’t 72 books or 80 for that matter?
What external criterion tells you that a book is scriptural?
Should the Gospel of John be thrown out considering it contradicts the Synoptics in several places? Not to mention the Gospel of Mark contradicts Luke in its telling of the parable of the paralytic?
Mark 2:4 says:
They couldn’t bring him to Jesus because of the crowd, so they dug a hole through the roof above his head. Then they lowered the man on his mat, right down in front of Jesus.
But Luke 5:19 says:
And not finding by what way they might bring him in because of the multitude, they went up to the housetop, and let him down through the tiles with his couch into the midst before Jesus.
Sola Scriptura undermines the Bible more than it defends it.
God Himself provides us His Word.
He gave us the Apostles, who with their spiritual gift from God the Holy Spirit, glorifying the Son, and given the gift as the Father had planned, provided us those books.
Upon the completion of the canon in 96AD, those gifts ceased.
A believer cannot know the Word of God outside of the doctrine of faith in his spirit and soul. Doctrine (faith) comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.
We know from the admonition in Revelation of the completion of the Canon. John was the Last Apostle.
We know from Timothy of the adequacy and sufficiency of the Word for every good work.
2Ti 3:16-17
(16) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
(17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
We know His work in us from the Holy Spirit teaches us the truth.
1Jn 2:25-27
(25) And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
(26) These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
(27) But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
We also know the doctrine of the Hypostatic Union, by which our Lord Christ Jesus provided us the example of the Christian way of thinking in this Church Age. Remaining in fellowship with God, through faith in Christ, never ceasing in prayer to the Father, and allowing God the Holy Spirit to perform His work in us to glorify the head, our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus.
As members of the body we are all in His Royal Family, all priests to the High Priest, our Savior Christ Jesus, glorifying Him through faith in Christ.
We do not live by bread alone, by by every Word from the Son of God.
The verses quoted further demonstrate the verifiability of both in the historical record. All of human history is His Story.
Sola Scriptura neither undermines, nor defends the Bible, but instead glorifies His Word and encourages the work of God the Holy Spirit in every believer.
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