The Sin Of Adam...Genesis 3 pt 3

http://billrandles.wordpress.com/2011/11/23/the-transgression-of-adam-genesis-3-pt-3/ ^ | 11-22-11 | Bill Randles

[Diapason]

“Anti-Woman old men like you will be the end of Christianity.”

How is this “anti-woman”?

[Diapason]

“You repel, you do not attract.”

You see the words, you do not understand them.

[ShadowAce]

If they are not contrite, then what are you doing? How can you expect to do anything other than repel people? How will you interest them in your rebuke?

Of course! After all, that is exactly how Christ rebuked people! He only rebuked those who were already contrite!

Like the Pharisees.
And the moneychangers in the temple.

This article is quite good, despite your opinion of it. Eve was deceived by the serpent, but it was Adam that made the conscious choice to defy God in order to be with her, rather than with Him. Adam's was the greater sin, but Eve sinned in her own right as well.

[Just mythoughts]

Moses writes that when the couple ‘ate’ the fruit they realized they were naked. And the couple partied in the ‘fig’ grove as it was with ‘fig’ leaves they covered their nakedness. Wonder now think maybe Christ was referencing this first mention of ‘figs’ when He said to learn the parable of the ‘fig’ tree? Figs do have an interesting horticultural requirement to produce.

[bmwcyle]

His problem was being offered food by naked Eve.

[Why So Serious]

I think ... it wasn’t and apple!

[Uri’el-2012]

Do you actually think that is is going to win even one soul over? This is a barbarian interpretation of Adam's sin. God formed Eve from Adam's rib - that is to say he formed her from Adam's erotic imagination. She was his completion. Together, they were a unity. They sinned together as two hearts beating as one. As one flesh. Go on, destroy people's faith, make this generation the last to know of Christ. You are an Anti-Woman Barbarian! Such primativism!!! Check out Adam Hamilton's book “When Christians Get it Wrong” and “Seeing Gray in a World of Black and White.” Check out Sojourners magazine for legitimate Christianity.

Anti-Woman old men like you will be the end of Christianity. You need to become more emotionally liberated.

WOW !

Still following haSatan with his fruit.

Seek YHvH in His WORD

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[Uri’el-2012]

Wild Berry
Since Nov 22, 2011

Welcome to FR

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[lawdave]

I seem to remember an interesting discussion about the sin of Adam by Scott Hahn. He points out that while the serpent was talking to Eve, Adam must have been standing right next to her since after she at the fruit she turned and offered it to him. So Adam was equally aware of the Serpent's statements. He also points out that the word for Serpent in Genesis is the same one used for the Serpent in Revelations. But in Revelations the serpent is a dragon intent on devouring the child of the woman clothed with the son.

Taking those facts together, you can posit the scenario that the Serpent in the Garden was not a snake but a threatening dragon and that it was not seducing the couple but threatening them with death if they did not eat the fruit. Adam's sin then was eating the fruit because he did not trust in God to resurrect him after he was killed by the serpent. He did not have enough faith that God would protect him so he ate to save himself.

Jesus on the other hand did have the faith required to die trusting in the Resurrection.

Obvioulsy, it is not a binding Catholic doctrine, but I thought it was an interesting thought exercise. Happy Thanksgiving all.

[Uri’el-2012]

He also points out that the word for Serpent in Genesis is the same one used for the Serpent in Revelation ( s). But in Revelation ( s) the serpent is a dragon intent on devouring the child of the woman clothed with the son

It is used elsewhere as well

SEE: serpent Gen. 3:1, 4, 13; 49:17; Exod. 4:3; Num. 21:8f; Deut. 8:15; 4 ma. 18:8; Eccl. 10:8, 11; Ps. Sol. 4:9; Amos 5:19; Isa. 65:25; 2 Co. 11:3; Rev. 12:9, 15; 20:2

See: dragon Isa. 27:1; 51:9; Rev. 12:3f, 7, 9, 13, 16; 13:1f, 4, 11; 16:13; 20:2

The woman is a metaphor for Israel
having produced the Messiah.

Notice dragon is used in Isaiah
as part of the salvation of His People.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[Uri’el-2012]

Happy Thanksgiving all.

Psalm 100:

4 Enter His gates with thanksgiving
And His courts with praise.
Give thanks to Him,
bless His NAME.

5 For YHvH is good;
His lovingkindness is everlasting
And His faithfulness to all generations.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[kelly4c]

I know God created us with the means to have sex and bear children so within a marriage it is pure and good to God but when Eve was tempted (or seduced) by the serpent it “opened their eyes” and they then became as one of the immortals “knowing good and evil” and then they “knew” that they were naked, felt ashamed, and hid themselves. God stated that there would then be enmity (strife and hatred) between HER seed and the SERPENT”S seed. Cain killed Abel. Didn’t God say to Cain something to the effect that he is like his father the devil? Then he said that Eve’s desire will be ONLY for her husband and she’ll have children in pain. I cannot believe that all this change and punishment (even death) is based upon eating a piece of fruit. I think it is figurative.

enmity between

[kelly4c]

Interesting, could you spell it out more clearly what you mean about the relevance of figs?? Never paid attention to that.

[ShadowAce]

I cannot believe that all this change and punishment (even death) is based upon eating a piece of fruit.

It's not because they ate a piece of fruit.

It's because they disobeyed a direct order. It's because they were prideful enough to demand the knowledge for know;edge's sake.

The act was merely a symptom.

[Verginius Rufus]

In the Septuagint translation of Genesis the word used of the serpent is ophis. In Rev. 12 both drakon and ophis are used; I think wherever the KJV has "dragon" the Greek has drakon and where the KJV has "serpent" the Greek has ophis.

[Uri’el-2012]

In the Septuagint translation of Genesis the word used of the serpent is ophis. In Rev. 12 both drakon and ophis are used; I think wherever the KJV has "dragon" the Greek has drakon and where the KJV has "serpent" the Greek has ophis.

Yes;
I'm not sure you can stretch the WORD to suggest
that there was a Dragon in the garden however.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[Verginius Rufus]

There must have been a dragon in Eden, because Adam gave all living creatures their names. I had a classmate in high school who proved that the Garden of Eden was in Africa, because otherwise Adam wouldn't have been able to name the lion.

The Greek word drakon can mean "dragon" but at other times it is a serpent. It seems to be used interchangeably with ophis sometimes.

[Bellflower]

I cannot believe that all this change and punishment (even death) is based upon eating a piece of fruit. I think it is figurative.

It was not so much the fruit, which yes was a piece of fruit, but the fact that Adam disobeyed God. It was rebellious disobedience that caused Adam to fall out of divine blessing and into the curse. He now had the knowledge of evil. Now he knew what it meant to not trust and obey The LORD which is what evil is. It is possible that you cannot really comprehend good unless you know what evil is.

[RegulatorCountry]

I had a classmate in high school who proved that the Garden of Eden was in Africa, because otherwise Adam wouldn't have been able to name the lion.

Your high school classmate erred in assuming that the world as it is now, is the same as it was then. It was actually quite different according to the limited number of Biblical passages that provide us with some description of the antediluvian world. No rain, plants "watered" by mists rising from the ground, seasons as we know them not present. Whatever sort of calamity struck to create a global flood changed all that, quite thoroughly.

Some have suggested a large icy comet would have set the world reeling and wobbling, inducing seasonal variation when there was none, greatly increasing the amount of surface water while simultaneously breaking up the "great fountains of the deep," etc.

An external introduction of a great deal of (warm, salty) water combined with a massive impact might make a certain amount of sense, geologically. Not that such a thing would be required for God to destroy the world, but it's human to try to puzzle it through and look for explanations.

[kelly4c]

But...being all-knowing...when He made us didn’t He know that we would have a curious nature that along with free-will might make us disobey Him? It’s like when you have a child...you know there are going to be times when they will disobey you but do you, upon the very first infraction, condemn them and their children forever more to such severe penalty??? Why have that one particular tree with “forbidden fruit” there for them to access in the first place? Why allow a serpent the power to deceive them? I’m a Christian and I love the Lord but I do wonder about Him. It’s almost like it was a game when he made us humans.