Posted on 11/22/2011 9:10:25 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
Or was it something other than an apple? Did God say to Adam and Eve that they would now know nakedness, and because of what Eve had done women would have to bare children in a painful way. Was this punishment for Eve actually introducing Adam to sex. God had said that he could give them anything that they desired [even children], but after the delicious apple was eaten God decided that child baring was the woman's painful punishment.
I believe it was a pomegranate. The rabbi’s use the pomegranate on the border of their garments. That must be a reason for doing so. Maybe some Jewish Freeper can give a clue on that one.
Parallel RSV 6: So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate; and she also gave some to her husband, and he ate.
NRSV 6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate; and she also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate.
Douay 6 And the woman saw that the tree was good to eat, and fair to the eyes, and delightful to behold: and she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave to her husband who did eat.
NAB 6 The woman saw that the tree was good for food, pleasing to the eyes, and desirable for gaining wisdom. So she took some of its fruit and ate it; and she also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
KJV 6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
WEB 6 When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit of it, and ate; and she gave some to her husband with her, and he ate.
ESV 6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate.
NASB 6 When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.
NIV 6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
YOUNG 6 And the woman seeth that the tree [is] good for food, and that it [is] pleasant to the eyes, and the tree is desirable to make [one] wise, and she taketh of its fruit and eateth, and giveth also to her husband with her, and he doth eat;
Greek 6: kousaV <191> (5660) {HAVING HEARD} de <1161> {BUT} hrwdhV <2264> {HEROD} o <3588> {THE} basileuV <935> {KING} etaracqh <5015> (5681) {HE WAS TROUBLED} kai <2532> {AND} pasa <3956> {ALL} ierosoluma <2414> {JERUSALEM} met <3326> {WITH} autou <846> {HIM} met authV <1473> {IT} kai <2532> {AND} efagon <2068> {THEY ATE}
Vulgate 6 vidit igitur mulier quod bonum esset lignum ad vescendum et pulchrum oculis aspectuque delectabile et tulit de fructu illius et comedit deditque viro suo qui comedit
ASV 6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat; and she gave also unto her husband with her, and he did eat.
Darby 6And the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a pleasure for the eyes, and the tree was to be desired to give intelligence; and she took of its fruit, and ate, and gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.
NKJV 6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.
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Romans 5 12: Therefore as sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned --
Romans 5 13: sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law.
Romans 5 14: Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sins were not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come.
Romans 5 15: But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift in the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.
Romans 5 16: And the free gift is not like the effect of that one man's sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brings justification.
Romans 5 17: If, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
Romans 5 18: Then as one man's trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one man's act of righteousness leads to acquittal and life for all men.
Romans 5 19: For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by one man's obedience many will be made righteous.
1 Timothy 2 14: and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.
James 1 14: but each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire.
James 1 15: Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin; and sin when it is full-grown brings forth death.
1 John 2 16: For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life, is not of the Father but is of the world.
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Not that God was surprised. He had already told Adam what would happen when he ate of the fruit, not if.
That was weird. I was thinking the same exact thing and then I saw what you wrote. Yes. I wonder which.
another excellent article pastorbillrandles. Thank you.
It is apparent that sin is genetically passed down through the male. This is how Mary was able to be the mother of Jesus and not pass sin to him. That is also why Eve was called the mother of all living, life, apart from sin, was able to be passed down through her.
I have come to believe exactly that. It was sex, not an apple. Not literal. Question is, why is it worded the way it is? “You may eat of any tree in the garden but not the one in the midst of the graden you must not eat or your eyes will be opened” or something very close to that. All the “trees” in the garden they could have sex with except one?! Some say that trees stood for nations/races. What do you think?
Hbr 13:4 Marriage [is] honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
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Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
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The woman was to have more children. Her sorrow and her conception was multiplied. This shows us that Eve would have had children without the fall. She just would have had far less conceptions, who knows maybe one child every 1000 years. We don't know, but we do know that she would of conceived, just much less. It is implied that there may have been a small amount of sorrow or pain if the fall had not taken place because sorrow was multiplied. You cannot multiply zero.
So you see that child bearing would have happened if the fall had not happened, but would have been much less. The undesirable result of the fall was that she would have many more children, which would be hard on her. With all of those children she would also be very dependent on her husband for not only her survival but the survival of her children. She would also give birth with much greater pain. It was the increase in conception and pain that was her "punishment" not giving birth itself which would have happened even without the fall.
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Hbr 13:4 Marriage [is] honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
Go on, destroy people's faith, make this generation the last to know of Christ. You are an Anti-Woman Barbarian! Such primativism!!! Check out Adam Hamilton's book “When Christians Get it Wrong” and “Seeing Gray in a World of Black and White.” Check out Sojourners magazine for legitimate Christianity.
Anti-Woman old men like you will be the end of Christianity. You need to become more emotionally liberated.
Christianity cannot reach the next generation with this type of vain posturing.
Your children will become Wiccans if they listen to this. Have you ever even thought about what you preach? You ARE trying to condemn people. (The idea of this post is, let us condemn women for the sins of Adam.)
You can only condemn somebody who is already contrite. If they are not contrite, then what are you doing? How can you expect to do anything other than repel people? How will you interest them in your rebuke? Are there any feminist listening to you, accepting your correction? Or will a feminist read you and become polarized against you?
I cannot believe that you could possibly believe this line of reasoning is fruitful. I am mortified.
You repel, you do not attract.
Now, stop making young people run away from Christ.
Didn’t God know exactly what was going to happen before He even created her?
? It’s not even apparent sin exists, it’s a belief.
“Was it really an apple?
Or was it something other than an apple?”
And where do you see any mention of an apple?
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