Posted on 11/08/2011 6:51:40 AM PST by greyfoxx39
News Int'l - Dateline 11/7/11 - SLC Utah: Mormon Church Officials Release Extensive List Of Church Facilities Opening Their Doors for Thanksgiving Meals for Homeless and Needy...
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I will take your posts seriously.
As are the Christian Churches....from your founder, Joe Smith.
AND yes I did say forced tithe as my lds family and friends are required to show to their bishop every year their W2s, so they can be billed (yes billed) their tithes.
I wounder why I have never heard of this.
Two men were shipwrecked near an island. When they landed ashore, one of them began screaming and yelling, “We’re going to die! We’re going to die! There’s no food! No water! We’re going to die!”
The second man leaned calmly against a palm tree.
When the first man saw how calm his friend was, he went crazy and shouted, “Don’t you understand?! We’re going to die!!”Undisturbed, the second man replied, “You don’t understand, I make $100,000 a week.”
Dumbfounded, the first man looked at him and asked, “What difference does that make?!? We’re on an island with no food and no water! We’re going to DIE!!!”
The second man answered, “You just don’t get it. I make $100,000 a week and I tithe ten percent on that $100,000 a week. Wherever I am, my pastor will be sure to find me!”
Google is our friend...
And you thought dealing with the IRS was fun !!
http://tech.lds.org/wiki/Tithing_settlement
Great!
It is interesting Blue. Not every mormon has experienced that “tithing” bill. My lds friends in southern California, just made a quick reference that their bishop requires that they show their W2s and he sends them a bill each moth based on those W2s. At first I though she was joking and laughed. She wasn’t.
I asked my lds uncle (former bishop) and he said in their current ward (also southern California, different area) that is the practice as well.
There are a few former mormons on FR who have posted that they have had similar experiences with “billed” tithing. Don’t remember which ones.
Tithing is between you and God not between you and some guy.
Tithing is a form of worship, not a prerequisite to anything.
Oh, Blue and you said you have never heard of “tithing” billing. Hum....I guess you were just funning me.
http://tech.lds.org/wiki/Tithing_settlement
Probably because of the fact that it isn’t true.
Tithing settlement happens in December. Who has their W2 before the year is even over?
It’s done on the honour system, you are given a list of what you’ve contributed to make sure the records are correct, and then check a box to indicate if you are are full, part or non tithe payer and that is as detailed as it gets. No bill, no checking what your income is etc. The only thing that even comes sort of close to that is if you are an employee of the church I think you are required to be a full tithe payer as a condition of employment, but if you don’t like that don’t apply for a job there.
Nobody is compelled by anything other than their own personal convictions. I find if so funny that some conservatives can sound like a bunch of Occupy Wall Street goons when it comes to the financial standing of my church.
At the ward level we are collecting food for Christmas hampers to the poor, and we are a big partner in a local community project to make and ship plastic bed mats to Haiti for use in hospitals and shelters. At the stake level we do most of the work at a local farm where all the crop is sold to support the care of developmentally challenged adults.
And nowhere there does it say anything about sending a bill, or checking a member’s income level etc. What it says is the members themselves declare their tithing status to the Bishop, not the other way around.
Ok, these are the experiences of my lds friends and family.
This is what I said in post 48, I have no reason to think my lds family and friends are lying to me:
It is interesting Blue. Not every mormon has experienced that “tithing” bill. My lds friends in southern California, just made a quick reference that their bishop requires that they show their W2s and he sends them a bill each moth based on those W2s. At first I though she was joking and laughed. She wasn’t.
I asked my lds uncle (former bishop) and he said in their current ward (also southern California, different area) that is the practice as well.
There are a few former mormons on FR who have posted that they have had similar experiences with “billed” tithing. Don’t remember which ones.
Tithing is between you and God not between you and some guy.
Tithing is a form of worship, not a prerequisite to anything.
To put it simply “a tithing settlement” IS NOT Biblical.
Tithing is between you and God - period.
Nope.
No pressure at all...
Except #10!!
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What you describe is expressly against how it is supposed to be done. I have NEVER seen or heard of being done in any of the many wards in 3 different countries I’ve been at, and I have no reason believe what you are reporting.
Accountability to God is certainly biblical, and the righteous don’t seem to mind it. But why does it bother you what other people do with their money and what they discuss with their bishop? Very strange obsession.
And your point is what, that I was right about Tithing Settlement being in December? Nothing there has anything to do with figuring out what a person ‘should’ pay in tithing or sending out some kind of bill.
Tithing is NOT between you and some guy. It IS about you and God.
If lds want to be accountable to a man instead of God that’s their privilege but please don’t act as though its Biblical.
Oh, yea and a clever way of calling me a liar.
And that has no power to compel somebody who doesn’t have a personal conviction that the church is true.
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