A Mirror for Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses

The Christian Post ^ | Oct. 23, 2011 | Dan Delzell

[SENTINEL]

"He only made one false second coming prophecy compares to the JW's 7....
cyc-- does the Watchtower give any explanation for the wrong 7 prophecies?"

In typical cult fashion, the JW's blame the righteousness of the members. Jesus was going to come again, but YOU didn't pay us enough, etc., they say.

Heck I remember Ezra Taft Benson telling the whole church the reason he wasn't receiving any new revelation or performing miracles was because the church was "under condemnation" due to lack of tithes and works.....Really, he said that.

[ReformationFan]

I never knew Catherine Zeta-Jones was a Mormon? Or is she Jehovah’s Witness?

[Elsie]

Are any Mormons & JWs willing to answer that Q?

I am!

--MormonDude(It mattereth not.)

[Cronos]

Ezra Taft Benson telling the whole church the reason he wasn't receiving any new revelation or performing miracles was because the church was "under condemnation" due to lack of tithes and works.....Really, he said that.

Wow....

[Colofornian]

--MormonDude(It mattereth not.)

Allow me to get out my peepstone & my pet rock and "translate" Elsie's "It mattereth not."

You see, the Mormon god of Smith's "Doctrines & Covenants" "scriptures" isn't very "sovereign." He's hesitant. He's shifty. He's just not sure if polygamy is "out" or "in"; or what to do with somebody's darker skin as it pertains to their special priesthood.

Just about ALL of the D&C is written in first-person form -- as if the Mormon main god is speaking directly through Smith. Now, I ask you: Why would this Mormon god take the time to include the phrase, "it mattereth not" in the middle of giving counsel? (He's not saying "it doesn't matter" in response to a query or question.)

Two examples of 'it mattereth not':

* "And then you may return to bear record, yea, even altogether, or two by two, as seemeth you good, IT MATTERETH NOT UNTO ME (D&C 62:5)
* "Let there be a craft made, or bought, as seeth you good, IT MATTERETH NOT unto me... (D&C 60:5)

Right before this, the Mormon god is revoking commandments he just made (D&C 63:4; again, v. 5; again, v. 6)

You see, the Mormon god of the D&C isn't exactly a "take-charge" kind of guy. He doesn't come across as a true "Lord." He uses phrases like "as circumstances shall permit" -- as if the circumstances were "Lord" and not Him. Or he'll use the phrase "peradventure" repeatedly as if He was catering to random happenstance:

* "And verily I say unto you, the rest of my servants, go ye forth as your circumstances shall permit... (D&C 84:117 [circumstances are their "lord" of their lives?]
* "Therefore, you are dissolved as a united order with your brethren, that you are not bound only up to this hour unto them, only on this wise, as I said, by loan as shall be agreed by this order in council, as your circumstances will admit and the voice of the council direct." (D&C 104:53 -- the "United Order" btw, was the Mormon 19th century attempt @ socialistic communism)

Now the above isn't simply Joseph Smith giving orders as "prophet" of the church. He is speaking first-person throughout talking about how "all these properties are mine" (v. 55, etc.)

It's like the Mormon god is saying: "Do this...um...provided circumstances kick in and the council OKs it."

D&C 103:32-33: So much for a "sovereign" Mormon god here as well: "Therefore, if you cannot obtain five hundred, seek diligently that peradventure you may obtain three hundred. And if ye cannot obtain three hundred, seek diligently that peradventure ye may obtain one hundred." (Let's face it: The Mormon god just doesn't know how many)

In v. 35, the Mormon god uses the word "peradventure" for a third time...I mean, come on. Who's "lord" to who in this tall tales of Smith's "revelations?"

[Elsie]

Allow me to get out my peepstone & my pet rock and "translate" Elsie's "It mattereth not."

I wrote that!

Do NOT be giving credit to ELSIE!

 

666 posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 8:35:28 AM by MormonDude (It DOES matter to ME!)

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[Elsie]

He only made one false second coming prophecy compares to the JW's 7.

Nice qualifier!

But he DID make a LOT more false prophecies on differing subjects.

[Elsie]

The JWs have already claimed me as their slave”

Ha ha!

You'll get to hew some wood and draw some water that MOST of the JW's will be doing!

[Elsie]

You see, the Mormon god of the D&C isn't exactly a "take-charge" kind of guy. He doesn't come across as a true "Lord."

 

 

...and so forth.

 

Articles of Faith

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541

1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
   
2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
   
3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
   
4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
   
5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
   
6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
   
7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
   
8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
   
9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
   
10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
    
11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
    
12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
    
13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith

 

 

[Elsie]

He's hesitant. He's shifty.

1 Kings 18:27  (KJV)

 And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.

[Elsie]

13.We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; except for them Bigoted Haters on FR!

--MormonDude(I do so wish they'd post more things that SLC thinks are good PR...)

[POWERSBOOTHEFAN]

Hey! Where’s my Powers Boothe picture?