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First gay man to be ordained in Presbyterian Church USA since historic vote
Star Tribune ^ | September 25 2011 | Rose French

Posted on 09/26/2011 3:36:35 AM PDT by Cronos

A Wisconsin man is expected to become the first openly gay candidate ordained in the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) since the church opened ordination to gay candidates earlier this year.

...“It’s hard to believe it’s finally happening,” Anderson said in a released statement on Friday. The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) officially began allowing the ordination of openly gay and lesbian candidates on July 10.

n May, Twin Cities Presbyterians cast the historic vote to allow openly gay and lesbian members to be ordained ministers. Presbyterian leaders say the Twin Cities vote was the action needed to end the 2.1 million-member denomination’s national ban on gay clergy.

The denomination, based in Louisville, Ky., is the latest mainline Protestant group to move toward accepting same-gender relationships.

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Mainline Protestant
KEYWORDS: abominationtogod; apostatechurch; fauxchristians; gaychurch; homonaziagenda; homonazism; homopsychoagenda; homosexualagenda; icky; lesbyterian; lesbyterianism; lesbyterians; paganchurchusa; pcusa; pissbyterian; playingchurch; presbyterian; sexualsin; sodomy

1 posted on 09/26/2011 3:36:42 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Alex Murphy

ping to you


2 posted on 09/26/2011 3:37:21 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: Cronos
Name change to the "Lez-bi-queerian Church" soon to follow.
3 posted on 09/26/2011 3:44:27 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Cronos

Because we know its all about him.


4 posted on 09/26/2011 3:49:19 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Cronos

Give us that feel good religion, give us that feel good religion. ;-)


5 posted on 09/26/2011 3:49:46 AM PDT by Average Al (Forbidden fruit leads to many jams.)
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To: Cronos
Ironically the ordination will occur on the day that Yom Kippur begins!(October 7)

The name "Yom Kippur" means "Day of Atonement." It is a day set aside to "afflict the soul," to atone for the sins of the past year. On Yom Kippur, the judgment entered in these books is sealed. This day is, essentially, your last appeal, your last chance to change the judgment, to demonstrate your repentance and make amends.

They'll show all those evil nasty bible thumpers!!

6 posted on 09/26/2011 3:51:41 AM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: Cronos

Gay man + ordained = oxymoron


7 posted on 09/26/2011 3:53:21 AM PDT by liberalh8ter
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To: PBRSTREETGANG; Cronos
This particular bunch of "used to be Presbyterians" made themselves irrelevant long before this latest act.

Very interesting that it was the St. Paul MN crowd that pushed them over the top, or the bottom as the case may be. Undoubtedly too many congregations had too many former, but still just as Leftwingtard, ELCA members trying to do an ethnic bounce from staid, stable, dull Scanderhoovian forms into wild, vibrant redheaded nastiness or something.

Frankly I think they are all quite misguided.

8 posted on 09/26/2011 3:53:55 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Cronos
“It’s hard to believe it’s finally happening,” Anderson said.

I agree. It's definitely hard for me to believe a “Christian” church would bring God's judgment on itself by ordaining homosexuals. So, Christians for millenia have been completely wrong about sodomy, women giving up natural relations for other women, etc.? We've all misinterpreted the Bible, and this so-called church has it figured out right? All those scriptures about selecting only the best of the best for church leadership? More nonsense, right?

GAH!

More seriously, I would hate to be the members of this so-called Christian church at the final judgment. May God have mercy on their souls! Seriously! If they only knew what was coming, they would never risk so much for so little.

9 posted on 09/26/2011 4:06:08 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (What's special about bad? Bad is easy. Anyone can do bad. I prefer good!)
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To: Cronos

It’s times like this when members have a choice to make. Do they love God more than their traditions.


10 posted on 09/26/2011 4:20:53 AM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: freedomfiter2

Actually, it’s caused because they abandoned tradition which said “God says marriage is between a man and a woman”


11 posted on 09/26/2011 4:25:36 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: CitizenUSA
. So, Christians for millenia have been completely wrong about sodomy, women giving up natural relations for other women, etc.? We've all misinterpreted the Bible, and this so-called church has it figured out right?

Well, this is to be expected, right? If it all comes down to their flawed interpretations, they can personally interpret anything they want in God's Word.

12 posted on 09/26/2011 4:27:51 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: Cronos

It happened because we were silent when we allowed dress down Friday in our schools, wayyyy back in the sixties.


13 posted on 09/26/2011 4:28:03 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: knarf
are you serious?

Though I do admit that my beliefs are that all of this is related to the ease of divorce and the acceptance, nay promotion of "shacking up" since the 1960s

14 posted on 09/26/2011 4:48:28 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: Cronos
First gay homosexual man to be ordained in Presbyterian Church USA since historic vote

If they're so damn proud of being sexual perverts, then use the correct term.

15 posted on 09/26/2011 4:56:23 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: Cronos

You can call yourself a Church but the day you go against God’s Word and except sin instead of seeking to redeem the sinner you are no longer a Church of God.............


16 posted on 09/26/2011 5:00:29 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: freedomfiter2
Do they love God more than their traditions.

Ordaining homosexuals isn't a "tradition" anywhere except Sodom and Gomorrah. The word "tradition" comes from the Latin traditio, "to hand over". This isn't the faith that was "handed over" to them. If the PCUSA had any regard for tradition, they wouldn't have been able to imagine anything like this, because their ancestors in the faith sure didn't.

17 posted on 09/26/2011 5:10:26 AM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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To: Cronos

If he gives a speech/sermon that “many married Presbyterian ministers are tempted toward adultery but defer to God’s Will and His Word. Similarly, I am tempted in other directions. So long as we all recognize that the Bible is the final authority, merely having these temptations is not a barrier to serving God,” I’m happy with him. If, like so many gay activists, he thinks that having carnal desires gives him the right to revise scripture and overrule God, then he has no business in the pulpit.


18 posted on 09/26/2011 5:42:49 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Pollster1

I am sure he is a virgin, and has no sexual partners, and isn’t engaged in any adulterous liaisons.

Are you kidding?


19 posted on 09/26/2011 6:27:43 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: laweeks
I kind of prefer to call them perverts.

Just recently I've realized that I made a mistake thinking earlier "ok, let them have civil unions" -- give the pervs an inch and they try to make the world change to their perversion.

Now I say ban this perversion just as we imprison rap ists etc.

20 posted on 09/26/2011 7:00:02 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: Cronos

This is commonly referred to as a Magisterium of One, a concept furthered by John Knox et al who are now experiencing the fruits of their beliefs.


21 posted on 09/26/2011 7:29:17 AM PDT by proe
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To: proe
Interesting you bring up John Knox, the founder of Presbyterianism. There was a link on another thread to John Knox's “Blast of the Trumpet against the Monstrous Regiment of Women

... And therefore, I say, that of necessity it is that this monstiferous empire of women (which amongst all enormities that this day do abound upon the face of the whole earth, is most detestable and damnable) be openly revealed and plainly declared to the world, to the end that some may repent and be saved.

... For who can deny but it is repugnant to nature, that the blind shall be appointed to lead and conduct such as do see? That the weak, the sick, and impotent persons shall nourish and keep the whole and strong? And finally, that the foolish, mad, and frenetic shall govern the discreet, and give counsel to such as be sober of mind? And such be all women, compared unto man

...."Women are removed from all civil and public office, so that they neither may be judges, neither may they occupy the place of the magistrate, neither yet may they be speakers for others."

....he further declaration of the imperfections of women, of their natural weakness and inordinate appetites! I might adduce histories, proving some women to have died for sudden joy; some for impatience to have murdered themselves; some to have burned with such inordinate lust, that for the quenching of the same, they have betrayed to strangers their country and city;and some to have been so desirous of dominion, that for the obtaining of the same, they have murdered the children of their own sons, yea, and some have killed with cruelty their own husbands and children

... to repress the inordinate pride of women

Quite toxically misogynist.

And now they've decided to become pervert friendly....

22 posted on 09/26/2011 7:35:20 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: Cronos
Actually, it’s caused because they abandoned tradition which said “God says marriage is between a man and a woman”

Actually, it started with abandoning Inerrancy in the 1920s. Abandoning the authority of Scripture soon followed. This is only the logical result of German Higher Criticism (of the Scriptures) that was popular at that time.

This put scholarship over the Bible (Man over the Scriptures) and has resulted in what you see.

In 1973, we, The Presbyterian Church in America (PCA) formed when Mainline Presbyterian church funded communist rebels in Central and South America with our tithes. We made a Pro-Life plan in response to the promotion of Abortion (another issue of the time) and went back to the Westminster Confessions of Faith and to the Inerrancy of Scripture.

We believe Marriage is Ordained by God only for One Woman and One Man covenanted before God.

Flee the Liberal Churches as fast as you can. The tide is rising fast - flee to the high ground quickly. For the days are coming when men will not listen to reason any more.

23 posted on 09/26/2011 7:42:20 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: Cronos
Funny you mentioned that. Just like Eve, another woman plunged the Episcopal denomination, not only under Homosexuality, but soon thereafter into Paganism - bringing in the so called Earth Goddess Gaia.

In vain do we ignore the Scriptures warning "do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man"

The trouble here is that Folks have Abandoned the Authority and Inerrancy of the Scriptures and fallen headlong into Error.

24 posted on 09/26/2011 7:49:07 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: Cronos

Shameful.


25 posted on 09/26/2011 7:53:38 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: CitizenUSA; Tax-chick
I strongly agree with what you wrote aboout the folly of giving up Christian truth for sexual disorder.

Think of the fact that Christians for millenia had been in complete agreement about sexual intercourse between husband and wife being a procreative act. Christians thus agreed on the reasoning of why contraception (Onanism) is intrinsically wrong: because it's deliberately twisting sex away from its connection to natural fertility.

That didn't change until less than a centry ago: the first Christian church to officially approve contraception was the Anglicans, who turned that crucial corner at their 1930 Lambeth Conference.

In a way, it IS suprising that churches which gave way and approved deliberately anti-procreative forms of sex, took 80 years to get the point of approving sodomy. What took them so long?

26 posted on 09/26/2011 1:10:37 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Make love. Accept no substitutes.)
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To: Pollster1

Yeah, ordain a minister that you wouldn’t want babysitting your children. What could go wrong? Something about “being beyond reproach”.


27 posted on 09/26/2011 1:25:28 PM PDT by Augustinian monk
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To: Pollster1

Pollster1: “So long as we all recognize that the Bible is the final authority, merely having these temptations is not a barrier to serving God,” I’m happy with him. “

That is both naive and not scriptural. Why did Paul give guidance about church leaders? Were they supposed to be any believer, or we they held to a much higher standard than regular members? Answer: they were supposed to be held to a much higher standard. For example, they could only have one wife, not be divorced, and even their children had to be well behaved.

Why? Because you don’t pick people who are struggling with homosexuality or other serious sins in positions of leadership. That is exactly why so many churches today are in the shape they are in. They have put wolves in charge of the flock! A truly Christian homosexual would certainly realize this and not put his needs ahead of the church.

It may not seem fair to block a homosexual from leading a church, but this isn’t about fairness. Church leaders are supposed to be the best of the best with a track record of resistance to temptation. This is something one shouldn’t take any chances with. It’s that serious, because the health of the flock is dependent on who is selected to minister to it!


28 posted on 09/26/2011 1:36:36 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (What's special about bad? Bad is easy. Anyone can do bad. I prefer good!)
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To: Cronos

Next, “Do you, Mr. Sodomite, take Miss Labradoodle to be your lawfully wedded wife, to groom her, pet her, and sodomize her gently?”

These queers are sickos.


29 posted on 09/26/2011 1:45:25 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Campion

Being a member of that denomination is the tradition that I was referring to.


30 posted on 09/26/2011 3:51:22 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Cronos

Just another cult, now.


31 posted on 09/27/2011 5:40:39 AM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: fwdude

I think I wouldn’t call them that — they don’t have any standards at all to follow, unlike say the Jehovah’s Witnesses. They are just a dying old queen’s club.


32 posted on 09/27/2011 6:03:00 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: Cronos

33 posted on 09/27/2011 6:38:15 AM PDT by massmike (Massachusetts:Stopped hanging witches;started electing Kennedys.Coincidence?)
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To: Cronos

This worked out “so well” in the Catholic church.....

http://old.nationalreview.com/03june02/kurtz060302.asp


34 posted on 09/27/2011 6:44:14 AM PDT by massmike (Massachusetts:Stopped hanging witches;started electing Kennedys.Coincidence?)
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To: massmike


35 posted on 09/27/2011 7:04:31 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: Cronos

Those photos prove the title of their organization should be retitled to Lesbyterian.


36 posted on 09/27/2011 7:25:02 AM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

I agree. They should also drop the term Church. By posing as Christians and Presbyterians they do both a bad service


37 posted on 09/28/2011 12:46:02 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: Alex Murphy; Vince Ferrer; Natural Law; MarkBsnr

Alex — congratulations...


38 posted on 10/01/2011 8:13:07 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: Cronos; Alex Murphy; Vince Ferrer; Natural Law

Alex, have you finally come out?


39 posted on 10/01/2011 8:18:22 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; Alex Murphy; Natural Law

well, his posts are all fiction and jokes. But the celebration of gay marriage among the Presbyterians is serious. They really have come out.


40 posted on 10/01/2011 8:23:02 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: Cronos; Alex Murphy; Natural Law
well, his posts are all fiction and jokes. But the celebration of gay marriage among the Presbyterians is serious. They really have come out.

When you build an edifice on sand, the entire structure will eventually crumble. The failure of the Presbyterian Church only mirrors or copies the failure of all the other products of the Reformation.

41 posted on 10/01/2011 8:27:03 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; Alex Murphy; Natural Law

True, and thanks to Alex’s posts and threads which are pure fiction or half-truths badly put together, we learn how laughably desperate they are now.


42 posted on 10/01/2011 8:39:30 AM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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To: Cronos; MarkBsnr; Alex Murphy
"True, and thanks to Alex’s posts and threads which are pure fiction or half-truths badly put together, we learn how laughably desperate they are now."

Maybe he thinks he is eventually going to trick a billion Catholics into simultaneously crossing the Tiber, like the start of some gigantic triathlon, to the OPC using a Reformed version of the Jedi Mind Trick.

43 posted on 10/01/2011 8:50:08 AM PDT by Natural Law (For God so loved the world He did not send a book.)
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To: Natural Law; MarkBsnr; Alex Murphy

Nah, next to no people are gaylords — unlike the Presbyterians here.


44 posted on 10/01/2011 1:59:42 PM PDT by Cronos (www.forfiter.com)
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