Posted on 07/19/2011 5:07:06 AM PDT by spirited irish
On the contrary. Mother Theresa believed in God, and thus ascribed the very existence of matter and energy to a spiritual cause. Without her faith in God, she would very likely not have done the things she did.
She didn't say that people were hungry because the devil lived in their bellies - she fed people real physical food to alleviate their real physical hunger.
Indeed, because she believed the God who created her had told her to.
That is a big no no to those who would rather rely upon a supernatural explanation.
Perhaps I misunderstood your original point, then. My impression of what you were saying is that any belief in the supernatural (i.e. God) was silly.
Believers in Christ know that God created the laws under which the physical realm operates, i.e. when your body needs fuel, you experience hunger. But that is because God created things to work that way.
If your intent was not to mock belief in God in general, then I apologize for the misunderstanding.
I will pray for you. You have lost your way and dwell in the darkness of ignorance of your own making.
Spirit guides guide you nowhere but to Satan.
I believe in God.
God created me “from dust”, but not through using magical supernatural powers. DNA and cellular processes were both necessary and sufficient to create my body and my brain. That doesn’t mean that God did not create me. I was created by God “from dust” and “to dust” I will return.
Right now stars are forming through gravity and nuclear fusion. God created those stars, just as HE created all things - but he didn’t need magical supernatural forces to do so. Gravity and nuclear fusion are both necessary and sufficient to explain the creation of Stars. Yet God created those stars.
I believe and worship God, why would I mock him?
I mock the ‘god of the gaps’ who created a shoddy reality that supposedly needs constant supernatural intervention in order for things to ‘work’.
That is not God.
This seems to be a contradiction. Are you saying God is of the "natural" and not "supernatural"? If God is supernatural, then of course, creation of the materials from which you are made and the processes by which you were physically formed came about through supernatural powers.
Do you think stars forming right now off in the universe are not created by God unless he added something supernatural?
I of course have a eternal soul that is spirit, as God is spirit.
But that is not and never should be the realm of science.
But my physical body and physical brain have no need of supernatural intervention for their formation and function. They are all understandable chemical reactions on a larger and more complex scale than what we see in the humble flatworm.
Do you think that stars need magic added in order to be created by God?
Do you really?
God created the materials from which the stars are forming from nothing. He also created the natural processes which allow the stars to form. So although the stars are forming through natural processes, it would not have happened without supernatural power to begin with. Is there some part of that with which you do not agree?
I'm unclear why you are taking such a "mocking" tone in calling God's supernatural power "magic." Perhaps I am misconstruing and you would care to clarify.
Ignore him, Goody. He's just trying to get a rise out of you.
He believes a magician enabled a virgin to get pregnant and give birth once. That violates his uniformitarianism, but of course, that was different. That was a "miracle." [/sarcasm]
Do you think stars forming right now off in the universe are not created by God unless he added something supernatural?
I of course have a eternal soul that is spirit, as God is spirit.
But that is not and never should be the realm of science.
But my physical body and physical brain have no need of supernatural intervention for their formation and function. They are all understandable chemical reactions on a larger and more complex scale than what we see in the humble flatworm.
Do you think that stars need magic added in order to be created by God?
Spirited: “God is ceaselessly at work in the things which he has created. It is not with respect to his substance that we are in him (for) we are certainly different from him, we are not in him in any other way except that he brings it (our existence) about; and this is his work, whereby he contains all things. It is through his ordering that in him we live and move and are. Hence...if he withdrew this work of his from things, we would neither live nor move nor be.” (Bede, Commentary on the Acts of the Apostles 17.28a)
Bede has defined the stark differences between the natural theology of Liberal Christianity and its’ dead-god of immanentism and the living, personal Triune God of Christian theism.
The former is a nature religion of science. It is monistic, scientistic, evolutionary, and elevates man as divine. Monism teaches Hermetic continuity between man and the immanentist god-force.
The latter is dualistic. It teaches the existence of two realms: the natural realm and the supernatural realm. There is NO continuity between these two realms. Dualism refers to man’s created condition as well. Here we speak of mind/body dualism. The body is matter but the soul, when open to the supernatural realm, transcends the material realm.
allmendream very clearly rejects the supernatural realm which places him in the only remaining category: monism.
He has previously stated that his mind is materialized. This makes sense within materialist monism which teaches that all that exists is matter. However, dogmatic materialism and Liberal Christianity are becoming “spiritized” by Eastern monism (i.e., Theosophy, Hinduism, Buddhism), which accounts for the “new spirituality” sweeping across post-Christian America. Thus AMD speaks of a non-supernatural hence immanentist dead-god of forces incapable of endowing him with an immortal soul.
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A metamorphosis from one state into another.. i.e. butterfly.. Evolving from human into something else.. i.e. spiritual creature..
On the contrary, the second birth is not evolution. It is a rebirth, a new creation. We are dead in our sins. When the new birth occurs it is not merely reforming the old nature.
You just contradicted yourself.
Science today is philosophically atheism. It denies the supernatural, as it appears you do as well.
Since you seem to consider all knowledge outside science as superstition and supernatural, and that science is the only reliable way of gaining knowledge of this world, just where do you get your knowledge of the supernatural from?
Where is the evidence that it exists that you even give it credence?
What's keeping you alive?
bttt
Thanks.
Good points in the OPost
[ On the contrary, the second birth is not evolution. It is a rebirth, a new creation. We are dead in our sins. When the new birth occurs it is not merely reforming the old nature. ]
Sooo...... being born again is NOT just a metaphor?..
You know... Like all of Jesus’ other metaphor’s...
i.e. Sheep Pen, Bride of Christ, Body of Christ, the Heaven’S, Lake of Fire, Samaritan, maybe even demon and Snake.. etc..
Learn me some new stuff... <(;-}````
AMD: But my physical body and physical brain have no need of supernatural intervention for their formation and function.
Spirited: Metmom asked “What’s keeping you alive?” If not the “working” (Bede) of God the Father then an “unseen” force within AMD’s physicalized mind.”
Obviously “something” is “causing” the “physicalized mind” of the mechanical-man AMD to “think” it is “thinking.”
It seems to me you have a problem here. If the mind is simply a function of physical processes, which upon death ceases to exist, then the concept of a soul becomes incoherent. Without thought, memory, or will, the soul would simply be the power of God that, for lack of a better description, would simply return to him upon your death, without any imprint of who "you" are.
It's an interesting dilemna with profound consequences that I really don't think you've thought out very well...
” If the mind is simply a function of physical processes, which upon death ceases to exist, then the concept of a soul becomes incoherent. Without thought, memory, or will, the soul would simply be the power of God that, for lack of a better description, would simply return to him upon your death, without any imprint of who “you” are.”
Spirited: Precisely! And of course this was Kant’s paradox, but being morally deficient he simply plowed on, because at bottom, his main focus was “me, myself, and I.” Thus his idealist monism, which teaches that reality exists in the deified mind of narcissists like Kant.
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