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Diocese of Orange may make bid for Crystal Cathedral
LA Times ^ | July 7, 2011

Posted on 07/07/2011 1:57:19 PM PDT by NYer

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To: verga

Here you go;

http://www.buzzardhut.net/index/htm/Dangers.pdf
http://www.buzzardhut.net/Catho/


21 posted on 07/07/2011 3:29:31 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: arthurus

Monstrosity is what I call it, also. It has a look of cold arrogance about it.


22 posted on 07/07/2011 3:34:08 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: presently no screen name
Does the RCC teach God’s Word is The FINAL Authority? Aboslutely we are also smart enough that His word was entrusted to a those He left in charge of His Church;

Mat 16:19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Do you have that verse in your bible?

Like I said SPECIFCS, Real one not the Boettner, LaHaye made up ones

23 posted on 07/07/2011 3:45:58 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: arthurus
Do you know what the Santa Maria Rotonda in Rome used to be before it became one of our most iconic churches? Do you know the provenance of the word basilica?
24 posted on 07/07/2011 3:54:34 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: SVTCobra03
If the Catholic SVTCobra03 cult views of scripture are wrong, then the whole Catholic SVTCobra03 cult religion is false and must be rejected by true Christians.

Please keep in mind that itwas the Catholic Church that ordered the canon of Scripture in 393 in Hippo, reassereted it in Carthage in 397 and kept it alive by copying it by hand for the 1045 years before the introduction of the printing press. Keep in mind that the very fifsrt printed using movable type was ......... wait for it......... the Catholic Bible.

Like I said SPECIFICS, Rreal Specifics, not the Boettner, Lahaye made up Cr@p.

25 posted on 07/07/2011 3:55:43 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: Judith Anne; presently no screen name
I’d like to know what your aim is, in bringing off-topic querulous questions to a thread.

Thank you Judith Anne for pointing this out. This particular freeper has a penchant for visiting Catholic threads and challenging any and all information posted. Their purpose in doing so? I believe they have exposed their animosity towards the Catholic Church.

26 posted on 07/07/2011 3:57:24 PM PDT by NYer ("Be kind to every person you meet. For every person is fighting a great battle." St. Ephraim)
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To: arthurus

And, while this building is surely no Chartres, it is far more attractive than the Basilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe - a standing insult to the patroness of the Americas.


27 posted on 07/07/2011 3:58:27 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: NYer; Judith Anne

Indeed. Don’t feed Miss Troll.


28 posted on 07/07/2011 4:00:32 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Fiji Hill

Considering that a number of main RC cathedrals in CA look so modernistic, the worse being Our Lady of the Angels, this possible conversion of Crystal Cathedral cannot be any worse. I have even read on one of the other threads that the RC Cathedral in Oakland, CA goes with the nickname of “Our Lady of Maytag” because it looks like the agitator of a washing machine.


29 posted on 07/07/2011 4:05:57 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: verga

Our Lady of the Angels in LA, and the Crystal Cathedral in Orange County. Both really ugly buildings!

Truly, both buildings are awful, to say the least. Our Lady of the Angels has statues “designed” by Anjelica Huston’s husband, Robert Graham. The statues are as soulless and ugly as one might expect.

The Crystal Cathedral is a multi-million dollar eyesore. Think Superman’s “Fortress of Solitude” meets Las Vegas...if you ever read Heinlein’s “Stranger in a Strange Land”, the ultra-rich pseudo-religious Fosterites of the story would feel right at home in the Crystal Cathedral.

I don’t understand why the Diocese of Orange would want the Crystal Cathedral, unless they are upset that they don’t have a Cathedral to compete with Our Lady of the Angels for the “Ugly Cathedrals of the World” award.

I can’t help but think of Tolkien’s “The Two Towers”....!

Certainly both Dioceses can come up with better buildings..this Catholic certainly hopes so!!


30 posted on 07/07/2011 4:16:21 PM PDT by Radagast the Fool ("Mexico-Beirut with tacos!"--Dr. Zoidberg)
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To: wideawake

These, first of all, were buildings of masonry. When stripped of their pagan adornment they were highly serviceable edifices. This Crystal Monstrosity is an aesthetic insult to the senses on a par with that other cathedral down there. This building could not be disguised or remodeled to make it a sensible church. It is wholly a distraction for use in services that are not enhanced by glitter and smash. It is a showman’s palace worthy of the sainted P.T. Barnum and of certain Evangelical charlatans.


31 posted on 07/07/2011 4:26:48 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: wideawake

I have seen pictures of both. I would not enter either for any reason.


32 posted on 07/07/2011 4:27:43 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: Radagast the Fool
Our Lady of the Angels in LA, and the Crystal Cathedral in Orange County. Both really ugly buildings!

The only word that comes to mind is "Fugly."

Someone is going to spending more than a little time in purgatory for that.

33 posted on 07/07/2011 4:33:09 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: verga

“Fugly!” is indeed the perfect word!!


34 posted on 07/07/2011 4:39:49 PM PDT by Radagast the Fool ("Mexico-Beirut with tacos!"--Dr. Zoidberg)
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To: arthurus

I followed the suggestion of your tagline, and added this to my amazon wish list. It will be ordrered the next pay check. Thank you for the good advice.


35 posted on 07/07/2011 4:52:58 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: NYer

There is a large Muslim population in that region of Orange County, so hopefully it won’t be sold and used as a mosque.


36 posted on 07/07/2011 5:48:08 PM PDT by ragmop
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To: ragmop

Another thought I had was that a front organization for a Muslim group could be used to purchase the Crystal Cathedral, it could then be made a mosque after the deal was signed.


37 posted on 07/07/2011 6:06:20 PM PDT by ragmop
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To: Judith Anne
Are you trying to start a fight? Are you trying to convert other CHRISTIANS to your cult?

CHRISTIANS don't belong to cults, JA. Seems you are the one trying to start a fight. Nothing new with that one.

You can find the answers you are seeking, BTW, in the online Catholic Catechism—if you are seeking answers and not trying to denigrate someone else.

I'm not seeking anything - and if I were - the catechism is the last place anyone seeking TRUTH would seek. Did you makeup the man made teachings catholics follow? NO. So why the insistence of victimhood with your denigrate someone else.

God's Word IS The Final Authority - any other teaching is man-made and NULLIFIES HIS WORD. So the CC is perfect for the RCC!
38 posted on 07/07/2011 7:42:52 PM PDT by presently no screen name ( The Palin Party: The Party of Patriots.)
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To: NYer
Does the RCC teach God’s Word is The FINAL Authority?

What is it? Too hard a question or ashamed to answer it?
39 posted on 07/07/2011 7:47:28 PM PDT by presently no screen name ( The Palin Party: The Party of Patriots.)
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To: ragmop
There is a large Muslim population in that region of Orange County, so hopefully it won’t be sold and used as a mosque.

I'd rather it become a mosque. We Catholics have enough uglo-modernist churches.
40 posted on 07/07/2011 7:55:26 PM PDT by Antoninus (What part of "I won't vote for Romney under any circumstances" don't you understand?)
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