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Father John Corapi Update
Various | 6/17/11

Posted on 06/18/2011 4:03:22 PM PDT by marshmallow

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To: rbmillerjr

Very well said.

this priest spoke out against such Bishops.


51 posted on 06/19/2011 6:20:49 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Indeed!

Court cases of this nature can get rather nasty!


52 posted on 06/19/2011 6:37:24 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: WaterBoard

“EWTN has an interesting take on Corapi abandoning his vows.”

Nice loaded language to put the onus on Father Corapi. It was the Church that told him he could not act in the capacity of priest.

Your characterization of source speaks for itself EWTN did not give this take, but Jimmy Akin, who writes for the Catholic newspaper has this take.

“Whatever name he may choose for himself, Fr. Corapi has forever ruined any chances he had of functioning as a Catholic priest.” “

I think the Catholic Church and his Bishop have done that quite well. Many lay evangelists do great works and I’m sure Corapi will be among that number. So Akin’s jealousy won’t be going away any time soon.


53 posted on 06/19/2011 6:46:03 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: rbmillerjr

Yeah I guess the Church, the Bishops, EWTN, etc are the evil ones just picking on poor Corapi for no reason? Totally false.

They are obligated to protect the members of the community once their is an official complaint filed.

To ignore it, who be violating the obligations.

What we have here is a man who is full of demons who built a cult of personality around him. He forgot who brought him to the dance, God. He made it about him and not about the gospel. And now just 3 short months after the allegations were brought forth, he abandons his vows.

Creepy new code names (“The Black Sheep Dog”) and diabolical imagery in his videos.


54 posted on 06/19/2011 7:01:33 AM PDT by WaterBoard
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To: WaterBoard


Demonic imagery.
55 posted on 06/19/2011 7:10:41 AM PDT by WaterBoard
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To: WaterBoard

“What we have here is a man who is full of demons who built a cult of personality around him. “

LOL, every Corapi video or EWTN broadcast of Corapi showed him pointing to God as the Way and Truth.

So, either you didn’t watch him or you are a liar. Everything in his work was within the confines and benefited the Church and God.

As Corapi states, “there are those in the hierarchy...who want me gone...so I am gone”

Yet the corrupted Bishops let Pfleger continue his ministry in outright defiance of Church rules.

These corrupted Bishops are paving a stairway alright.


56 posted on 06/19/2011 7:19:38 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: WaterBoard

Demonic?

LOL

Sheepdogs protect the flock.


57 posted on 06/19/2011 7:27:12 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: rbmillerjr

If you watched his videos, you would see they are full of “I” and “Me”. He was very fond of talking about himself.

Notice in his “God Love You, God Bless You, and Good-Bye” statement on his blacksheepdog website and absence of the word “Jesus” or “Mary”. Couldn’t find time to edge in a world about our Lord.

http://theblacksheepdog.wordpress.com/

Go check yourself.

But you do read countless mentions about himself.


58 posted on 06/19/2011 7:36:39 AM PDT by WaterBoard
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To: WaterBoard

What Corapi is doing now is:

1) Damning the Church and its leaders.
2) Attempting to draw Catholics away to follow him.

Hmmm.. what is the name for this again?


59 posted on 06/19/2011 7:38:25 AM PDT by WaterBoard
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To: WaterBoard

“If you watched his videos, you would see they are full of “I” and “Me”. He was very fond of talking about himself.”

The purpose of the video is to explain why he is leaving the priesthood (or rather being forced out of the priesthood).

As to your quote above, you are incorrect. Father Corapi, only used his reflections on his past life to show his own frailty and depravity. He was a sinner and showed humility by using his own example to all.

His talks are always directed and point people to Christ, God, the Catholic Church.


60 posted on 06/19/2011 7:41:21 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: rbmillerjr
He 'was' a sinner? I think everyone is a 'sinner'. The question is did he continue his old ways of drugs and woman while being a priest. There was an allegation, and investigation, and now a resignation. Most innocent people fight and protest their innocence. Not run away and attack the Church.

He no longer calls himself "Father Corapi" just plain old "John Corapi".


61 posted on 06/19/2011 7:56:45 AM PDT by WaterBoard
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To: rbmillerjr
He 'was' a sinner? I think everyone is a 'sinner'. The question is did he continue his old ways of drugs and woman while being a priest. There was an allegation, and investigation, and now a resignation. Most innocent people fight and protest their innocence. Not run away and attack the Church.

He no longer calls himself "Father Corapi" just plain old "John Corapi".


62 posted on 06/19/2011 7:56:54 AM PDT by WaterBoard
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To: WaterBoard

LOL. I believe you know what I meant by the sinning comment.

But you evaded the point.

Father Corapi used his hedonistic former lifestyle to show human frailty and man’s sinful nature. He pointed to God, Christ and the Church as the Truth and the Answer.

Anybody that would listen to a collection of his talks and didn’t come away with his commitment to Christ, doesn’t have a spiritual problem. They have a mental processing problem.


63 posted on 06/19/2011 6:47:55 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Billy Graham had a huge “fan ‘ base and a big media corporation to handle the rallies, the huge speeches, his books and videos, etc....AND his donations.

Well, ignoring that Billy Graham is hardly a good role model for Catholic priests, I wonder how close he is to what I quoted from that blog. Did Billy Graham talk about his fans and his fan-base? Did he or anyone working for him actually use such language? Or, did he call them Christians or believers or some such thing? When I see a priest's website talking about his fans I see a reason to wonder.

this is a new time, we have to reach out with social media. And the church is WAAAAAY behind on this.

Social media, fine, but superstar priests with fan-bases, no. I won't agree on that. These giant mega-churches with their rock-star preachers are not the way to learn about God or to approach the sacraments. The Church is not behind on this at all. As a matter of fact, we need to constantly remind ourselves that for 2,000 years the Church has offered the best and most reliable way to approach worship. Father Pfleger is certainly a rock-star priest, and he is a good indicator of why cults of personality focused on priests are a very, very, very bad idea. No, I will stick with my reasonably small, personal and more intimate parish family and will avoid anything approaching these kinds of spectacles.

64 posted on 06/19/2011 9:59:30 PM PDT by cothrige
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Billy Graham had a huge “fan ‘ base and a big media corporation to handle the rallies, the huge speeches, his books and videos, etc....AND his donations.

Well, ignoring that Billy Graham is hardly a good role model for Catholic priests, I wonder how close he is to what I quoted from that blog. Did Billy Graham talk about his fans and his fan-base? Did he or anyone working for him actually use such language? Or, did he call them Christians or believers or some such thing? When I see a priest's website talking about his fans I see a reason to wonder.

this is a new time, we have to reach out with social media. And the church is WAAAAAY behind on this.

Social media, fine, but superstar priests with fan-bases, no. I won't agree on that. These giant mega-churches with their rock-star preachers are not the way to learn about God or to approach the sacraments. The Church is not behind on this at all. As a matter of fact, we need to constantly remind ourselves that for 2,000 years the Church has offered the best and most reliable way to approach worship. Father Pfleger is certainly a rock-star priest, and he is a good indicator of why cults of personality focused on priests are a very, very, very bad idea. No, I will stick with my reasonably small, personal and more intimate parish family and will avoid anything approaching these kinds of spectacles.

65 posted on 06/19/2011 9:59:45 PM PDT by cothrige
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Billy Graham had a huge “fan ‘ base and a big media corporation to handle the rallies, the huge speeches, his books and videos, etc....AND his donations.

Well, ignoring that Billy Graham is hardly a good role model for Catholic priests, I wonder how close he is to what I quoted from that blog. Did Billy Graham talk about his fans and his fan-base? Did he or anyone working for him actually use such language? Or, did he call them Christians or believers or some such thing? When I see a priest's website talking about his fans I see a reason to wonder.

this is a new time, we have to reach out with social media. And the church is WAAAAAY behind on this.

Social media, fine, but superstar priests with fan-bases, no. I won't agree on that. These giant mega-churches with their rock-star preachers are not the way to learn about God or to approach the sacraments. The Church is not behind on this at all. As a matter of fact, we need to constantly remind ourselves that for 2,000 years the Church has offered the best and most reliable way to approach worship. Father Pfleger is certainly a rock-star priest, and he is a good indicator of why cults of personality focused on priests are a very, very, very bad idea. No, I will stick with my reasonably small, personal and more intimate parish family and will avoid anything approaching these kinds of spectacles.

66 posted on 06/19/2011 9:59:58 PM PDT by cothrige
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To: rbmillerjr; Recovering Ex-hippie

As Corapi states, “there are those in the hierarchy...who want me gone...so I am gone”

*****

I told my wife a long time ago that he would have problems. His message was too “conservative” (true Catholic doctrine IMO) with respect to social issues and where this country and world is headed. He didn’t toe what I see as the American bishops’ implicit “love the state” attitudes.

My hunch is that this whole thing was a setup and he was pushed out for his strong message rather than the allegations. I believe that there is a lot more to this than meets the eye.

Oh, and if certain Church authorities wanted him gone because of these accusations, where is the Christianity in that line of thinking?


67 posted on 06/19/2011 10:43:50 PM PDT by Yooper4Life (They all lie.)
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To: rbmillerjr

“Anybody that would listen to a collection of his talks and didn’t come away with his commitment to Christ, doesn’t have a spiritual problem. They have a mental processing problem.”

I guess John Corapi did not listen to his own sermons then... because he abandoned his Church and his vows. I guess he did not really believe what he what he was selling. He did not trust in the Lord to see him through, he took the easy way out.


68 posted on 06/20/2011 5:05:28 AM PDT by WaterBoard
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To: Yooper4Life

Excellant post...you present a very plausible scenario.


69 posted on 06/20/2011 5:22:36 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: WaterBoard

LOL. I believe you know what I meant by the sinning comment.

But you evaded the point.

Father Corapi used his hedonistic former lifestyle to show human frailty and man’s sinful nature. He pointed to God, Christ and the Church as the Truth and the Answer.

Anybody that would listen to a collection of his talks and didn’t come away with his commitment to Christ, doesn’t have a spiritual problem. They have a mental processing problem.


70 posted on 06/20/2011 10:18:05 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: rbmillerjr

Continue to worship a fallen priest who pays hush money and uses non-disclosures to silence witnesses if you wish; I think I will worship my savior, Jesus Christ.

This is where we part.


71 posted on 06/20/2011 10:25:50 AM PDT by WaterBoard
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To: WaterBoard

“Continue to worship a fallen priest who pays hush money and uses non-disclosures to silence witnesses if you wish; I think I will worship my savior, Jesus Christ.

So, it’s not enough to make up stuff and assume things you have no idea about to a public figure, now you’re going to accuse a person, you don’t even know of not worshiping Jesus Christ but a former priest.

Nice. Christianly. You’re on a roll continue to make an arse of yourself.


72 posted on 06/20/2011 10:38:32 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: Yooper4Life

“His message was too “conservative” (true Catholic doctrine IMO) with respect to social issues and where this country and world is headed. He didn’t toe what I see as the American bishops’ implicit “love the state” attitudes.”

Nice analysis, we can play Bingo with that.

“Oh, and if certain Church authorities wanted him gone because of these accusations, where is the Christianity in that line of thinking?”

Yahtzee.

Church history will look back upon this general period, beginning with the molestation cover up, as the beginning of a great period of Scandal in the Church.

You take that in conjunction with the “love for statism” that you mention and the leaning away from Christ and the flock...It is going to take a Century for the Church to recover from this.

Maybe longer, with the Ostrich mentality of many Catholics.


73 posted on 06/20/2011 10:57:43 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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Sorry, I thought you read the news today from National Catholic Register.

Father Gerard Sheehan, regional priest-servant of SOLT and Father Corapi’s religious superior in the U.S. is the one claiming money was paid to Corapi's accuser and that he silenced witnesses.

1) “When she left the company, she signed a contract that she would not reveal anything that happened to her while she was at Santa Cruz Media. Father Corapi paid her for this Father was suing her for a breach of contract,” said Father Sheehan

2) “In canon law, there can’t be any pressure on witnesses; they have to be completely free to speak. The investigation was compromised because of the pressure on the witnesses. There were other witnesses that also had signed non-disclosure agreements,” said Father Sheehan.

So, blame Father Gerard Sheehan if you don't like the allegations but I did not make them up.

http://www.ncregister.com/father-corapis-bombshell.html

EWTN even published the fact they will NEVER broadcast Corapi's sermons again after what went down.

"EWTN was deeply saddened by the news that Father John Corapi has announced his decision to resign from active priestly ministry and religious life. Unfortunately, his decision makes it impossible for the Network to return his programming to the airwaves."
74 posted on 06/20/2011 11:06:58 AM PDT by WaterBoard
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To: WaterBoard

The new information certainly changes the situation and opens up the possibility that he broke his vows.

If money was paid out to silence the accuser and an exceptional legal document was created just for her, then I will not defend Corapi.

But, it all depends on the time-lines involved. If it was a situation where it was normal practice to sign legal documents when leaving the media company, that is a different matter.

I point to this from the article,

“There were other witnesses that also had signed non-disclosure agreements,” said Father Sheehan.”

This is vaguely written. If this means that there was no history of legal documents being signed and this was done to shut people up....then his actions cast doubt on his innocence.

However, if the documents were a regular practice and it just happens to be that they were witnesses, that is a far different story.

So, put me in the “having my doubts” about Corapi’s integrity and innocence here, but still wanting to see more details on some of these statements by SOLT...before I call him “likely and probably guilty”.


75 posted on 06/20/2011 12:02:22 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Murdering unborn children is the highest sacrament in the liberal religion.)
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To: marshmallow

All of this about Fr. Corapi leaving the priesthood is brought about by the attacks on the Catholic Church. First came the attacks, then came the lack of action on the part of the Church to defend the accused priests, then came the payoffs.

Perhaps, Fr. Corapi is leaving the priesthood to make a point. And that point is that the Church should give an accused priest a fair trial and demand proof of guilt before deciding to pay off the accuser. I am talking strictly about a Church trial. If the accuser is not happy with the results, let him/her demand a non-Church trial where he/she must prove their claim.

One of the articles you list mentions a priest, long dead, who was accused of sexually assaulting a minor many, many, many years ago. The Church paid the claim even though there was no proof of wrong doing. Time for that to stop.


76 posted on 06/20/2011 12:38:31 PM PDT by kitkat ( I sure HOPE that it's time for a CHANGE from Obama.)
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To: rbmillerjr

Fair enough and written like a true gentleman.


77 posted on 06/20/2011 4:16:43 PM PDT by WaterBoard
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To: WaterBoard

It’s the same article, with the same wording. Fr. Corapi says he’s not going to be doing any public ministry as a priest. That doesn’t necessarily mean he won’t still be a priest, saying Masses for himself each day, or saying private Masses for friends and family.


78 posted on 06/20/2011 10:11:13 PM PDT by SuziQ
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I don’t know why you refuse to believe John Corapi’s superiors and their press release that Corapi announced his resignation from the priesthood.

“Father Corapi “sent us a letter resigning from active ministry and religious life. I have written him a letter asking him to confirm that decision.” - Father Sheehan

Corapi would not even meet with his superiors to discuss the matter, so much for his Vow of Obiedance.

“Father Sheehan said he had tried to arrange a meeting with Father Corapi before any final decision was announced, but had not heard back from him.”

Is the Bishop and SOLT lying too?

Corapi on his own website announced that his 20th anniversary was his last Mass ever.

Corapi just could not give up the good life and abandoned the priesthood.

““We wanted him to come back to the community, and that would have meant leaving everything he has. It would have been a drastic change for him,” Father Sheehan said”


79 posted on 06/21/2011 11:20:18 AM PDT by WaterBoard
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To: WaterBoard
I was commenting on what was in that particular article. It didn't mention the person saying he was leaving religious life, JUST his comment about dropping the public ministry.

I'm sad for all those who liked Fr. Corapi. I never listened to him, so I don't really know much about him, other than friends of mine thought he was a powerful speaker.

80 posted on 06/21/2011 2:21:49 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: WaterBoard

Most people don’t understand how complicated all this really is—meaning most catholics, not to mention non-catholics.

And there are a lot of people exploiting the situation which is making it even worse.

The CNA is an arm of the USCCB. Did you know that?


81 posted on 06/25/2011 10:06:56 AM PDT by michigancatholic
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To: WaterBoard

No, Corapi is probably refusing to go to the basement and live in squalor & silence which is the general state of people who resign their lives to these little diocesan organizations.

All this, while there is a gigantic grab for the results of his successful legal case of a few years back.

You tell me: What would SOLT do with the money? OR the bishop? OR the person in Montana who used to work for him? They’re all after it, and they’re all lawyered up to the teeth too.

If a priest shouldn’t have the money, then by the same exact reasoning, why should a bishop? Or a diocesan organization?

It’s a giant money grab. It’s all about the money.

Even the professional catholic bloggers online are in on it. Writing piece after nasty piece in competition for their fan base, because that means donations. Nice fat, juicy PayPal donations. Push the button, y’all. OR Wake the hell up.


82 posted on 06/25/2011 10:14:26 AM PDT by michigancatholic
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To: rbmillerjr
he is unique because he is orthodox and conservative and he is a real man, lacking the feminization some need and desire.

That is the bottom line. Neither Bp. Sheen or Padre Pio faced a post-Vatican II Church.

83 posted on 06/25/2011 10:24:09 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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Was he then "leashed" as a priest?

Of course he was. Every priest is.

84 posted on 06/25/2011 10:24:20 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

Yes. It’s why they come across the way they do now.


85 posted on 06/25/2011 10:28:11 AM PDT by michigancatholic
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To: annalex

100% correct. And neither of them had to face an American heirarchy which is largely perversely feminized and bureaucratic like the current one is.

The culture has changed, and the practical face of the church with it.


86 posted on 06/25/2011 10:30:23 AM PDT by michigancatholic
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To: rbmillerjr

You get a gold star.


87 posted on 06/25/2011 10:43:24 AM PDT by michigancatholic
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To: michigancatholic
why they come across the way they do

You must be responding on my post

That is one factor: Fr. Corapi's evident financial success. Another is his fighting personality, that once you slip begins to come across as arrogance. Third is the attitude of obedience, ingrained in the cradle Catholics of older generation, -- the same kind that accepted Vatican II withoput a peepsqueak.

on another thread (Father's Day Postcard to Fr. John Corapi, Layman (Catholic Caucus)), where I commented on Fr. Corapi's detractors' character.

88 posted on 06/25/2011 11:23:01 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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