Posted on 06/09/2011 3:02:36 AM PDT by Cronos
Both were there for politics, both left SB after the elections were over, Carter in a dramatic, formal way, throwing written attacks on his way out, Clinton just quit pretending and went somewhere else.
You’re right. Some things to consider: the freedom of religion the Constitution recognizes means, among other things, that we are recognized as being able to believe what we wish. In so many words, this sort of “activism” infringes on the first amendment rights of the religious groups who are being maligned. In this case, it’s the SBC. Next, it may be someone else.
And every time these yahoos make, for lack of a better term, headway, it will not only encourage their new efforts, it will also likely add to their momentum politically, against both free speech that doesn’t agree with them, and every religion that doesn’t accept them as they wish. This is especially true of the left, where perception reigns, in lieu of truth.
I am not now, nor will I ever be a member of the SBC. But I honestly believe that homosexual acts are sinful, and inherently disordered, and I agree that the SBC must not back down, nor should they apologize on this.
The activists in question, by their language used in the press release, clearly are trying to make this strictly political. So it’s safe to surmise that they understand that on religious grounds they cannot make any case. But this is not a political party or lobbying group in that sense. So the SBC needs to make their position clear, from a strictly religious point of view.
Cronos is absolutely right. This is big enough that the time for some unity, at least on this particular front, is needed. For the sake of all.
Exactamundo.
Don't give them any ideas.
Yeah, there IS a reason. Once gays were the victims - now they've come full circle and they've become the bullies. No matter what they get, it's NEVER enough. Bullies. Plain and simple.
I have known several homosexuals who became heterosexual with the aid of the Church. The belief that the temptation to sin cannot be overcome is a lie from the devil.
Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
There you have it. A man lacking the desire of women, commonly known as a homosexual.
That's one interpretations. The man could be asexual, a pedophile, a zoophile, or some other perversion I can't think of. Yours is a likly possibility. But it's important to remember the prophecy instead of the interpretation, or we can easily mistake the signs when they occur.
You’re right. The Scripture says so: (I Peter 5:8) “ Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith - “
I was thinking of all the false fears he raises to shackle us, like false flu epidemics and global warming. Those are the things to ignore. I like the one about the pastor who was awakened in the middle of the night, looked and saw Satan standing at the foot of his bed. “Oh - it’s just you” he said and turned over and went back to sleep.
That’s the kind of thing I was thinking of.
you are very correct.
Please notice the tactic here. For the liberal its always about free speech free speech free speech. However, when the conservative speaks the focus is not on free speech but rather how the conservatives speech makes the liberal feel. And if the conservatives free speech offends the liberal then the conservative should stop speaking. We are seeing various resolutions passed in institutions like the UN which are aimed to silence any criticism on Islam or Islamic nations. So if someone says Jesus is the way the truth and the life and that offends someone well that speech should not be allowed. This is what is coming to America if many of our churches do not wake up.
They hit the mainline protestant churchs where they can manipulate by voting, so down the ECUSA, PCUSA, ELCA now they say "oh, you Methodists are the only ones left, why not join the club?" and they will do the same with the Baptists and then will turn on their big bugbear the Catholics and Orthodox.
I have no doubt they see us all together as jointly "the enemy" -- if we don't see that and work together accordingly, we play into their hands...
This is no attack on Baptist Christians, this is an attack on Christians -- we stand together on this point.
They use the idea that homosexuality is genetic to undermine scriptural clarity. There is no “gay gene.”
What I don’t get is why not just join some other religion? Judeo-Christianity is clear “gay is wrong” — so why not just become I don’t “Osho folks” and be happy and gay every after?
They want to reconstruct Christianity in their own image. The other choices...Islam, Buddhism, Hindu...are pretty unappealing.
Exactly.
Few things have been more studied in the past several decades than genetics. Scientists have not mapped everything out, but they have figured out which conditions are genetic and which aren't.
Homosexuality IS NOT genetic. Certainly their are men that are more effeminate and women that are more masculine than others and this is comes from their DNA, but this DOES NOT make them homosexual.
And here's the biggest clue, IF the militant homosexuals believed that there really was a "gay gene," they would pressure all homosexuals to reproduce (preferably with homosexuals of the opposite sex) to insure that homosexuals did not become extinct. They don't do this because they know that it's not genetic, instead they RECRUIT.
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They’ll do more than just deliver “petitions” to the Convention. Expect these Sodomite demons to invade and infest meetings; make obnoxious, lewd gestures in church services; and generally act like liberals. They will be set loose as emissaries of Satan like never before.
And what happens? We Christians put our heads in the sand and will then ask the true beleiving folks in the UMC or the SBC to run away instead of sticking by their side and fighting
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