Posted on 03/28/2011 10:13:42 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
Thank you for the previous reply.
I too am going to give him the benefit of the doubt. Prayers going up for him!
The comments of the woman being quoted as saying she would destroy Corapi, and reports of alleged violence on her part with folks at this media company where she had worked, certainly don't help convince that the allegations are true.
but think on this;
Sometimes people do "nut up" a bit when they've suffered some falseness towards them, or some harm, particularly when their complaints were ignored or ridiculed, or those in power over them do a fine job of blame-shifting. Just because she alleged lost control, does not equal her claims completely unfounded. If you can't see that possibility also, then I guess you may never been subject to abuse under color of authority. I have.
We still don't know, and may never for a certainty. We won't if it keeps playing out like this. With Corapi or his own media company doing all the talking...
Hopefully, the air will be cleared, on way or another. If the man is truly innocent, then I sincerely hope he is cleared, well enough to remove further doubt.
If not, then let's not have the accuser be smeared for telling church authorities, what they may need to know.
Do you really think that an article and limited statement, coming from Corapi's very own media company resolves the issue? Corapi is the golden goose at that place, right? She supposedly assaulted the media company president? Ok...why did she do that? What EXACTLY lead to THAT moment. That could be telling. It could go a long way towards exonerating Corapi. But in the meantime, why should anyone take only the word of Corapi, and his own media handlers? Corapi is the big cheese there, the ONE who brings all the limelight (and money!)
Though information from them regarding the former employee is quite important, it certainly shouldn't be exempt from follow-up questions. Or better, thorough cross-examination. We want truth and justice, don't we? Then let's have it.
The media company should keep talking, talking, talking. If there is truth to the accusation, maybe they'll dig themselves into a hole. Meanwhile, the statement reads like a broadside against the accuser.
Keep it classy there, Santa Cruz media. Hey, way to "rise above it" and "trust the church". Not.
They are condemning the church's actions in this matter too, just as Corapi has from the beginning. (he may be on to something important, there...)
If this woman set out to ruin Corapi's reputation, she has so far, only gone to the church? Sent a three page letter? Or have I missed the part where she has personally come out to trash the guy in some media venue. She used to work at one...
We wouldn't have even known about it...She didn't make the allegations public (afaik). Corapi did.
“Keep it classy there, Santa Cruz media. Hey, way to “rise above it” and “trust the church”. Not.
They are condemning the church’s actions in this matter too, just as Corapi has from the beginning. (he may be on to something important, there...) “
Sure, mentally unbalanced woman throws a tirade and someone’s wondering if some outrageous accusations are true? Nah, women never make stuff up to destroy people when they feel themselves aggrieved, no, never.
What the “Church” is doing here in this zero tolerance policy is using it to railroad decent priests to satisfy the blood lust of the leftist media, and it’s opposed to the Canon Law, and that’s sickeningly familiar. It’s happened to a lot of priests of more conservative stripe that when the Liberal Hierarchy wanted to shut them up, they could always rely on a smear job, forget about the Canon law.
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1101226.htm
No shock. Those ten trolls we see on every thread are just doing the bidding of their masters.
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Perhaps, but that's not the whole story. You, yourself, on your own blog (which you promote on FR) just yesterday went into quite heated criticism, aimed at St. Johns in Minnesota, with yourself there linking to, and advocating Behind The Pine Curtain which outlines the years generations of strange & disturbing goings on, that lurked in the background, at that place. And it is not the only location where that sort strange and abusive conduct occurred, within organizations subject to the Roman church.
I suggest it is for the reasons of that church having been "burnt" (or should we say horribly embarrassed?) when such affairs finally came to light, that they are now somewhat painted into a corner, when it comes to allegations of sexual impropriety of any sort.
Whatever is going on with this Corapi case, to characterize it as being something that the "church" is "doing here" to "railroad decent priests to satisfy media bloodlust", is to seemingly suggest they are against the "decent" priests?
Is that what you are saying? We've seen evidence in other instances of in past generations there being an effort to shield, shall we say, indecent priests. I get the impression there isn't much tolerance for that now. Or so we hope...
Is it a "mentally imbalanced woman", as you say, or is it the liberals within the hierarchy, out to "get" a strongly conservative priest? Both?
Don't get me wrong, the above is not my own take, opinion, or thesis on this.
I don't know that either (particularly the latter) is accurate enough to used as fair description.
I note here that you are continuing to launch attacks against the accuser.
Ok. Perhaps she is. That would certainly explain a lot of things. Yet, on what do you base the "mentally unbalanced" part? You've seen the results of a psychological examination? How about testimony concerning her, from someone other than the accused, and those in (job dependent) business with him? Anything?
Santa Cruz Media, along with Corapi himself, have taken to "trying the case in the press" or in the "news" with first strike tactics, seeming before any of the authorities of the very church which he himself proclaims is the ONLY and the BEST had much of a chance to do diddly.
What's up with that?
What if I were to bring complaint against the attitudes or procedures of this same church? I'll tell what would happen, here at FR...I would be called "a hater" of God's church, by some.
If I were a congregant, with a complaint, wouldn't I be told to go through the proper channels, and trust the hierarchy to do the right thing, as I would trust the Lord?
Why should Corapi be any different? Because he has been falsely accused?
As to your complaint of the church "going against canon law", and it occurs enough to be "sickeningly familiar" whatever are talking about?
Perhaps you should quit while you're ahead. Or at least slow down a bit.
I was firmly in Father Corapi’s corner, but some of the things I’ve seen recently have been disturbing.
He is the President and CEO of Santa Cruz Media, yet the company calls itself a completely secular organization which isn’t bound by the Church’s rules concerning disclosure. Well, Fr. Corapi could have and should have kept the ‘company’ quiet. Why would a ‘secular’ company refer to Canon Law concerning the actions of the Bishop?
What was a punch in the gut to me was seeing his service records today, with no mention of Special Forces training, Airborne school, or ever spending time at Ft. Bragg. I had heard him countless times speak of his exploits at SF training, and now I’m afraid that he may be just another fraud.
I don't presently have cable t.v. for a few years, and otherwise haven't heard the man speak, save for a few times.
Any link to the records?
A story about being the CEO of Santa Cruz Media is here.
If he lied about his Special Forces training, then I'm done with him--regardless of the outcome of this recent accusation. He uses it as a big part of his witness.
Following links led to a pdf of Corapi's service record at http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies344.htm, which is P.O.W. Network, not exactly known as being a hotbed of anti-Catholic sentiment.
No Green Beret, no way. No way for him to have been in training for the Special Forces either, apparently.
Nothing on being in Panama, where some reports have Corapi saying he wasn't actually in the the Green Beret's, as earlier commentary about him said, but had only at one point been in training for the SF (as the later claims went) but he got injured in a helicopter accident in Panama.
Uh, maybe, but that does smell like a fabrication.
Is the whole thing unraveling before our eyes?
There's more, for whoever is interested. I didn't watch the video, which according to the paragraph accompaning, is of Corapi himself, stating claims and various details of military service, which don't match up with the records?
The explanatory paragraph;
the video;
My apologies for not simply looking before asking you, but I do thank you for the reply.
Nothing on being in Panama, where some reports have Corapi saying he wasn't actually in the the Green Beret's, as earlier commentary about him said, but had only at one point been in training for the SF (as the later claims went) but he got injured in a helicopter accident in Panama.
Uh, maybe, but that does smell like a fabrication.
Is the whole thing unraveling before our eyes?
I had never thought of checking his credentials and took his witness at face value...in fact, hearing it is what impressed me and got me to listen to him every day. Those records opened my eyes. No jump school, no advanced infantry school, no mention of a TDY or training at Bragg or Ft. Benning. He went into such detail about SF training, multiple times, and described how every one of the classmates in his squad went to Vietnam and didn't come home. He didn't go to VN due to the helicopter crash.
He has done a great deal of good for my faith and the faith of others. This is just another reminder to place our trust in God, not in men. Those records are clear. I feel betrayed.
The TDY section toward the bottom is hard to read.
he was in infantry school and graduated with the blue cord, then he went on to Fort Knox as an infantryman for undisclosed training for a time.
Btw, you don’t need to have gone through the Q Course for the Eighteen Series to be in SF. The Q Course guys go on the A-Teams, but who knows. He could also have gotten hurt before he finished his training.
http://eponymousflower.blogspot.com/2011/03/someones-dug-up-father-corapis-military.html
Thanks for the link. The big problem is no Ft. Bragg, which is where SF training occurs. I’ve heard that standards were loosened a bit for getting into the SF training in the thick of VN, but I thought that occurred closer to 1969. I’m not sure that he could have gone straight from boot camp and AIT into SF training, especially when there is no mention of Ft. Bragg in his records.
Here’s my take—I started listening to him two or three years ago after hearing his witness. He has been very specific about being at SF training, but those recordings aren’t posted at the sites listed earlier in this thread. Nevertheless, I heard him say these things repeatedly and gave me the impression that he had nearly completed special forces training when he was injured in a helicopter accident.
He has caused others to believe this also, because I’ve seen his background mentioned by Catholic sites in which he is referred to as a former Green Beret. How do all of these people come away with the same mistaken impression? The answer lies at the feet of Fr. Corapi.
Why is this a problem? It appears that he has been puffing up his background with a big lie. If I can’t believe him about his training, how can I believe any of his other stories? He speaks the Truth about the Gospel and praying and the sanctity of life—all good things. However, I do not want to be exhorted to live my life a certain way by a hypocrite and a phony.
I’m still absorbing it all. In another thread about a week or so ago, I posted that I didn’t believe the accusations for a moment. Now, I can longer stand by that statement. I sincerely hope that there is a rational explanation for everything. My fear is that his strong denials are not the actions of a humble servant of God, but desperate attempts to conceal more skeletons in the closet.
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