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(Glenn) Beck's Bogus Beliefs
TheBereanCall.org ^ | 03-21-2011 | fishtank

Posted on 03/21/2011 7:56:54 AM PDT by fishtank

Beck's Bogus Beliefs

March 2011

by T. A. McMahon

"Glenn Beck, the television and radio talk show host who is best known for his conservative political views, isn't someone whom we would normally address in our newsletter. Our concerns are usually directed at individuals, programs, or organizations that promote spiritual or theological views contrary to the Word of God. Beck, of late, seems to be making himself at home in that realm, and he's attracting many who call themselves Bible-believing Christians. ...

First of all, Glenn Beck is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He may refer to himself as a Christian, but he's certainly not a biblical Christian. The distinction is as wide as hell is from heaven: "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God" (2 John:9). Mormon doctrine is "another gospel" that exalts "another Jesus." Both false beliefs came out of the deceived and deceiving mind of Joseph Smith. Secondly, "our country" doesn't have "Christian roots," even though some are claiming that our founding fathers were true Christians. Many were not biblical Christians but Christians in name only, who followed the faith of Deism, Masonry, and the philosophy of the Enlightenment. Any early influence in America's history of a biblical nature very likely came from the Pilgrims and the Puritans...."


TOPICS: Current Events; Ecumenism; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: antichristianjihad; antimormonjihad; beck; bogus; christianity; cults; flamebait; glennbeck; lds; mormon; mormonism; mormonjihad; religiousintolerance; talkradio
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1 posted on 03/21/2011 7:57:01 AM PDT by fishtank
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To: Colofornian; svcw; greyfoxx39

ping


2 posted on 03/21/2011 7:57:52 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

Yadda yadda yadda Mormon, yadda yadda yadda bad.


3 posted on 03/21/2011 7:59:49 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: fishtank

“Beck, of late, seems to be making himself at home in that realm, and he’s attracting many who call themselves Bible-believing Christians.”

Look to me like Glen(n) Beck is trying to be the white, male, conservative Oprah.


4 posted on 03/21/2011 8:00:54 AM PDT by flowerplough (Thomas Sowell: Those who look only at Obama's deeds tend to become Obama's critics.)
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To: Larry Lucido

Ummm,

... given that “Glenn Romney” and “Mitt Beck” want to dominate the republicans, this is an important article.

TheBereanCall.org is not a political newsletter, but is focused instead on issues related to spiritual deception.

I beg you reconsider dismissing this subject.


5 posted on 03/21/2011 8:03:53 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank
I never ceased to be amazed by the pure hate displayed by some so-called Christians, (such as the author of this idiotic hit piece,) a religion that commands us to love one another, as Jesus did, and does in His everlasting life.

In the battle for this nations soul and survival, let's make sure that, every day, we post something to run down another leading Conservative!

Thank you for helping elect more Obamas!

6 posted on 03/21/2011 8:05:27 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Fighting the "con" in Conservatism on FR since 1998.)
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To: fishtank

Okay I’ll give it a serious read. :-)

But I do get worn out by the whole “Mormons are bad” thing around here. It’s way overdone. One of the best preparedness manuals going around here appears to be a product of LDS, for what it’s worth.

In other words, you can’t dismiss someone SOLELY for having a strange belief system. You have to look at the whole person.


7 posted on 03/21/2011 8:07:09 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: MindBender26
Agree, whether it's Beck, Mormons, Catholics, this sect, that denomination, this preacher, that preacher, GIVE IT A REST.

The enemy is clear, obvious, and dangerous and it's NOT the people on our side.

8 posted on 03/21/2011 8:07:16 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: flowerplough

9 posted on 03/21/2011 8:07:22 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank
Larry Ludicrous is void of consideration and reason.
10 posted on 03/21/2011 8:08:10 AM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: fishtank

Yeah, I do kinda’ wish he’d stop preaching mormonism, which is a man-made cult and horribly heretical “religion.”

He has a lot of other great qualities, but his not being a Christian, no matter what he says, hurts his credibility.


11 posted on 03/21/2011 8:09:00 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: fishtank

Glenn doesn’t force ‘his God’ down the throat of anyone.. He leaves it to his listeners to take from it what they want.


12 posted on 03/21/2011 8:10:22 AM PDT by divine_moment_of_facts (Give me Liberty.. or I'll get up and get it for myself!)
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To: fishtank

As long as Glenn Beck angers the left then he’ll be good in my book. He’s done a lot in 3 years to expose Obama. I’m anti-Obama and anyone speaking against him is good.


13 posted on 03/21/2011 8:13:18 AM PDT by Mozilla
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To: Larry Lucido

I might trust an LDS produced emergency manual. Which is different from the emergency of hell.

I’m also concerned about escaping hell. Thankfully, God saved me a while ago.

But that was through faith in the real Jesus, not in a counterfeit faith in a make-believe lds jesus.


14 posted on 03/21/2011 8:14:02 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: MindBender26

Amen to that! You should hear them when you mention Roy Masters! LOL!


15 posted on 03/21/2011 8:14:26 AM PDT by divine_moment_of_facts (Give me Liberty.. or I'll get up and get it for myself!)
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To: LS

Sorry. The lds is not “on my side”.

This is a post dealing with SPIRITUAL issues, which is why I put it in the RELIGION forum.

Beck crossed the line at Liberty University when he left the subject of POLITICS and then started to talk about SPIRITUAL issues.


16 posted on 03/21/2011 8:16:12 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: fishtank

A. T. Mahan was a brilliant 19th century naval strategist who wrote “The Influence of Sea Power Upon History, 1660-1783”.

What is T. A. McMahon’s claim to fame?


17 posted on 03/21/2011 8:19:13 AM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: divine_moment_of_facts

I love the judgemental purists of this world that have taken it upon themselves to determine who is (and who is not) a bonafide Christian.

He believes that Jesus Christ was the son of God, that he is the Saviour of man put on this earth to pay for our sins.

That’s good enough for me.


18 posted on 03/21/2011 8:21:21 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: fishtank

If you go to this clowns website, you’ll see he is not a Christian, but an anti Mormon propagandist. Period.

His whole operation is built upon hawking Mormon Hatred FOR CASH of course.

Not exactly what I’d call Christian.


19 posted on 03/21/2011 8:21:30 AM PDT by nhwingut (Palin '12... Accept No Other)
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To: divine_moment_of_facts; LS
Our minister gave a Sunday Night teaching (it's more educational, rather than a sermon) once on the roles of Protestants, Catholics, Jews, Masons, virtually every group possible, in making the American Revolution possible.

For example, had it not been for the Jewish Dutch bankers, who provided financing at the behest of John Adams, we never would have had a chance against the Crown and its money!

20 posted on 03/21/2011 8:22:46 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Fighting the "con" in Conservatism on FR since 1998.)
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To: Larry Lucido

Yadda yadda, TRUTH, yadda, yadda,BAD, yadda, yadda OBSCURO.
No way is a mormon either a deist like our Founders or even,as the article states Christians in name only. They are yet another created religion. And in vast experience, like RomneyCare— they are not to be trusted. The historical record is both clear and bloody. Yadda yadda. Deo Vindice.


21 posted on 03/21/2011 8:24:51 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: fishtank

Jesus said to His disciples who were concerned about other ministers not in ‘their’ group, “He who is not against us is with us.” I fail to see how Beck is against us on almost anything. Quite the contrary, those who constantly carp at other consrvatives, even in a “RELIGION” forum, seem to be offending the Biblical injunction to remove the plank in your own eye.


22 posted on 03/21/2011 8:26:32 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: MindBender26

Yes, Masons too. In fact, many of the Founders, including Washington, were Masons.


23 posted on 03/21/2011 8:28:23 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: Larry Lucido

The preparedness manual, so called, was derived from US govt. sources in the 50’s (red scare, personal bunkers etc.). The few remaining family farmers have subscribed to these preparedness practices for generations. The govt. does not want us prepared independently of their largesse and protection at a price- freedom.


24 posted on 03/21/2011 8:28:41 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: fishtank

Beck could take these two clowns down in a one hour show. They better be careful.


25 posted on 03/21/2011 8:29:50 AM PDT by nhwingut (Palin '12... Accept No Other)
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To: divine_moment_of_facts; LS

Want to really rattle some of these people?

Remind them that the Bible we read was not written by Jesus, nor the supposed authors of the Books, but rather it was interpreted in 1611 by 47 friends of King James of England!

Then, of course, there are the Gnostic Gospels...


26 posted on 03/21/2011 8:29:56 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Fighting the "con" in Conservatism on FR since 1998.)
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To: MindBender26
You miss the point entirely. There is not a word of hate in this article and you should stop using "hate" as the all-purpose attack word as the Left does.

The article refutes Beck's faith and what he has written in his new book. That is not hate, but discernment, scholarship and legitimate criticism.

McMahon is warning people about the false doctrine of Mormonism and the corrupting influence of new age-y practices espoused by Beck and Ablow. I agree with him 100%.

I was wondering how long it would be before Beck started to leverage his stature within Conservatism to evangelize for the LDS church. Tea Partiers need to be very careful that their movement is not co-opted by Beck or others who may have ulterior motives.

27 posted on 03/21/2011 8:34:04 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne (Buy Gold and Guns Now!)
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To: MindBender26

In a sense you are right. Christianity went from about 500 followers of Jesus to 1 million in a few years with no established church, no Bible, and no hymnals. Indeed, just as it is today in China, Christianity is most powerful when it is totally Christ-centered, without a lot of “guidance” from people, who inevitably want “p@$$ing rights.”


28 posted on 03/21/2011 8:36:26 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: fishtank

“given that “Glenn Romney” and “Mitt Beck” want to dominate the republicans, this is an important article.”

What do Romney and Beck have to do with eachother, besides Mormonism?


29 posted on 03/21/2011 8:36:52 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: flowerplough

“Look to me like Glen(n) Beck is trying to be the white, male, conservative Oprah”

Maybe, with that “e” to the fourth power (or whatever it’s called) crap, but that’s only the highlight of his show every few episodes or so. The rest of the time he’s weaving insane paranoid fantasies, which is what makes his show popular—certainly it’s what I tune in for—and is decidedly un-Oprah-esque.


30 posted on 03/21/2011 8:39:24 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: WayneS

“Mahan was a brilliant 19th century naval strategist who wrote ‘The Influence of Sea Power Upon History, 1660-1783’”

Appropos of nothing, I remember once hearing said you could alter the title to “The Influence of History Upon Sea Power” and not alter what you learn one whit.


31 posted on 03/21/2011 8:45:38 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: nhwingut
Not exactly what I’d call Christian.

So Christians are supposed to "just be nice" to people who lead other's astray from God's Word and the truth about our salvation? That makes about as much sense as being too polite to tell someone the bridge ahead is washed out (None of my business, maybe it will be fine when they get there).

Yes, their disaster preparedness plans are terrific. But I'm preparing for a lot longer than the next 30 or 40 years. I'll trust in Jesus, the REAL Jesus, for my preparedness for after this very short life.

32 posted on 03/21/2011 8:47:38 AM PDT by T Minus Four (Support the SFTSOPWDIABMTTPBTTASIFTF and stop this needless tragedy!)
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To: John S Mosby

“in vast experience, like RomneyCare— they are not to be trusted”

That is a completely idiotic statement, and I can’t believe you even believe it.


33 posted on 03/21/2011 8:51:36 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Larry Lucido

Ironic isn’t it? Glenn Beck displays more Christian values and morals than any Christian spewing hate towards him.


34 posted on 03/21/2011 8:54:13 AM PDT by divine_moment_of_facts (Give me Liberty.. or I'll get up and get it for myself!)
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To: Dr. Thorne; MindBender26
You miss the point entirely. There is not a word of hate in this article and you should stop using "hate" as the all-purpose attack word as the Left does.

Bingo. Mindbender26 on the attack, leftist style.

35 posted on 03/21/2011 8:55:30 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: MindBender26

You do understand that vast numbers of black and white so called “christians” of the communalist leftist christian socialist movement were who put obambi in office. They are at it again, the “true christian” leftists in academia, and in the pulpit- black, white, hispanic... misdirecting the flock to continue to support one-world progressivism. While Beck rails against Wilsonian progressivism, he is working for increased power for one sector of belief. Much like the Kennedys and Irish in Boston and beyond. Religion is political in all reality, so this discussion is of merit as an opposing scriptural view, and examining the interesting nature of Beck’s “conversion”, which is human. Much in the same way Beck has examined Soros. For biblical Christians both these individuals bear watching.

Even as obama goes to brazil to get his cash kickback for his 2012 campaign from Petrobras for preventing any new drilling in the Gulf, per Soros and the US DOE subsidy award to Petrobras, conservatives (big C, small govt.conservatives) need to be vigilant. The leadership void is what is most important to fill. Beck is helpful as an educator to several lost generations, and the Bereans are valid in their spiritual critique and not so much in their political critique.

As a country we learned early NOT to be socialists, nor to put our trust in anything but a limited government. And that government would be limited by the proper actions of people of belief(Federalist Papers), and in fact could not survive without those beliefs and proper self-control. The tent should be big and accepting for this kind of conservatism,and not some competing theocracy. We need another Ronald Reagan.


36 posted on 03/21/2011 8:57:16 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: traderrob6

Well put! I agree wholeheartedly!


37 posted on 03/21/2011 8:58:08 AM PDT by divine_moment_of_facts (Give me Liberty.. or I'll get up and get it for myself!)
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To: traderrob6
He believes that Jesus Christ was the son of God

Not so! He believes that Jesus Christ was A son of God... just like Lucifer for example. I believe that Jesus is the only Son of God, Beck believes that He is one of many. And this is just for starters, I don't want to move on to other non-Christan beliefs that Mormons hold. And FYI, I don't hate Mormons. I have witnessed to them at every chance I've got.

38 posted on 03/21/2011 9:01:36 AM PDT by Former Fetus
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To: traderrob6

I thought the same for 20 years until a friend, who is Mormon, said something that was so far out of the ordinary I finally looked into LDS.

There is zero point in arguing we are the same, as I found out.

They don’t believe we are. In fact, their missionaries are well trained in the 3 doctrines they run into while on mission.

That is the Catholic, Protestant and Lutheran doctrines. LDS has a completely different doctrine, divorced from all others and distinctly different.

When you run into a well read and educated Mormon they can explain the difference in doctrine and why theirs is the only one.

They don’t believe you are a Christian. But rather, they are Christian and you worship in an apostate religion and as Joseph Smith and every single prophet of LDS has proclaimed Christians are “Apostates and Whores of Babylon”.

Doesn’t make them bad or me a good person. Just people who have a difference in doctrine. One who believes the Holy Bible is complete, accurate and sufficient, while the other believes the Bible to contain errors, a missing book and worships from to additional books which are considered holy in their faith.

Personally, I am not offended in their view, particularly since I have been reading diligently and learning about LDS for the last two years.

I can provided specifics if required but we can start with “The Pearl of Great Price”.

A friend was telling me the story of the Pearl of Great Price and I became confused, as the version he was telling me I had never heard.

I explained I had never heard that and the story of the Pearl of Great Price is familiar to most Christians as part of the three great parables, with the PoP explaining why works could never get you into heaven or make you more than what God sees us as.

This friend went ballistic and said there was no such thing and the story was unique to LDS scripture alone.

I tried to diffuse the situation saying “It may very well be in LDS scripture but any Christian would be familiar with Mathew 13”. With that I started to tell the three parables.

Guy went through the roof, at that point, and I said “Look may be I don’t understand this correctly. It’s not as if I am a theologian”.

Got him to agree we should change the subject and later I went to Mathew again and there it was plain as day; The Three Parables which are closed out by the “New Testament” version of the the Pearl of Great Price.

I couldn’t believe after all these of years of not even opening a Bible I had recalled, much less retained, the passage.

I have concluded LDS needs to co-opt, plagiarize and denigrate all of Christianity, otherwise why would there be a need for “The Restoration”.

Still, it’s even funnier being a Master Mason, seeing the same ceremonies, rites and rituals you find in Masonry as part of their worthiness program.

None of it’s an accident and they now want to claim they are Christian? After railing all of Christianity for 150 years?

Why?

So they can mainstream their religion while still calling us apostates and whores of Babylon?

No way, man.


39 posted on 03/21/2011 9:01:41 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: MindBender26; fishtank; Dr. Thorne
I never ceased to be amazed by the pure hate displayed by some so-called Christians, (such as the author of this idiotic hit piece,) a religion that commands us to love one another, as Jesus did, and does in His everlasting life. In the battle for this nations soul and survival, let's make sure that, every day, we post something to run down another leading Conservative!

Well, let's see. Fishtank is a conservative.
You're running him down.
As Dr. Thorne mentioned, you've gone on the attack vs. Fishtank with the all-purpose leftist word of "hate."

And by your own personal standards (not mine), having now attacked Fishtank, I guess that makes you guilty of violating that standard of love...meaning you must "hate" Fishtank.

That's what's always self-refutingly funny on these threads. So many posters rush into comment like they are some kind of thread ref, postulating upon others' perceived violation of their personal standards.

But if disagreeing = "hate" -- which is what the left's lexicon says ... and if these posters like Mindbender disagree with content posted...well, that means their words apply to themselves. Because as posters, they are not ref-moderators, but "players."

Why don't you try applying your own personal standards to yourself, Mindbender.

40 posted on 03/21/2011 9:02:30 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: fishtank; flaglady47; seenenuf; seekthetruth; Bushbacker1; mickie; ExTexasRedhead; ...
Well, I'm an "about-as-conservative-as-you-can-get" Missouri Synod Lutheran....and I've listened to and watched Beck just about every day since he started....and I'm trained and alert enough to detect any and all overt or subtle anti-Christian propaganda which offends my sensibilities....but I fail to pick up any of this at all when viewing Glenn's program.

After he returned from Christmas break, he's dropped most of the preachy, professorial, tutorial crappioli presentations he was getting bogged down in.......and which was causing folks, including me, to tune him out.

Since then, he's concentrated brilliantly on exposing the Obama regime, commies in government, radical organizations, etc. in a manner we've never seen before....and which we had all prayed to see happen in the media some day. Rush had given it a fling on TV, but unfortunately for us, it didn't pan out....and that was about the last of conservativism we were to see on the tube till Glenn popped up almost out of nowhere.

It's obvious Beck was "talked to" by a higher power in the Fox hierarchy during the holiday break or before. He really toned the preachy stuff down most remarkably. He's quite bearable now....and a gratifying font of well-researched info and education on the aims and methods of the enemies of our Republic.

If his particular style is not bearable, don't watch. He is not for everyone in this age of escapism and agreeable TV pap. His pre-taped Friday shows are usually crashing bores. The rest of the week I watch avidly. But nobody's perfect....including Rush who's been having some really inferior programs lately.

I personally cut Glenn some slack on his style because of all the inside stuff and the over-all value of his show's content to me as a conservative and an unabashed patriot.

Glenn is probably more of a Norman Vincent Peale than a Billy Sunday. As such, I find absolutely nothing in his own particular brand of do-good, live-right and be-aware set of values that offends or threatens my Christianity in the least.

My Christianity is not that frail of a thing that a good-natured, well-motivated, non-threatening Mormon or Baptist or Catholic with a TV program could shake even if he or she tried.

If one is looking for insidious propagandizing on Fox, turn the spotlight on socialist/populists like O'Reilly and Rivera, not on our ally, Glenn Beck.

Leni

41 posted on 03/21/2011 9:04:10 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Obama....you'll have to pry my incandescent lightbulbs from my cold, dead fingers!)
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To: Dr. Thorne; MindBender26

Moreover, you can directly to the Catholic Church’s website and get their explanation for why LDS is not a Christian doctrine.

Same at virtually any Protestant Church. Look to Southern Baptist and Independent Baptist.

None claim LDS as Christian and go into succinct points as to why.


42 posted on 03/21/2011 9:06:58 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: fishtank
I don't require everyone to be correct on everything to have influence on me. I would have to ignore most Catholics, many Baptists, and all Churches with women pastors and homosexual marriage. Beck is just an insightful entertainer. His "schtick" is that he uses peoples own words to make his points. As far as his "spiritual" influence, I watch carefully when he tries to turn me to Mormonism,.....which is never so far. I haven't heard one statement from him that was purely "Mormon" and I DVR his program daily. As far as his "people are basically good" statements, there are many that make that sort of tripe. If I judged everyone by them believing that people are "good", I couldn't listen to anyone. Most people seem to have missed the Biblical definition of an evil heart, and many preachers seem loathe to preach it because they may seem "Calvinistic". The Bible says what it says and many are disappointed when they find out the people they look up to are human too.

Beck is a "good" man, IMHO, and has "good" intentions. There are good Catholics, Baptists, Mormons, Methodists, ect, but I don't have to walk lockstep with anyone. It is fine to point out people's weaknesses, but you must know that you will soon be alone with no friends. I am friends with many people with varying beliefs, but I just have spirited discussions with them and don't abandon them. If my arguments can't hold up, maybe I need to re evaluate my arguments. It's called "learnin something". I think everyone would agree that starting a fight over what the Bible says is easy. The writers of the article believe they are the Bible experts that everyone must follow or they are following the devil. I may agree more with them than Beck Biblically, but to act like that only separates Christians. If you argue over salvation issues, that would be enough to anger a friend, but there are many arguments we could have amongst ourselves that have no bearing whether we go to heaven or not. One might be whether the Founders were Christians or not. I submit, as a group, they were more "Christian" than many pastors today.

On the whole, I think Beck is a treasure and will continue to watch and listen. I will never consider Mormonism as a plan of salvation. The two don't have to be mutually inclusive.

43 posted on 03/21/2011 9:08:23 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: traderrob6; Vendome
I love the judgemental purists of this world that have taken it upon themselves to determine who is (and who is not) a bonafide Christian. [said traderob judgementally about somebody else, provoking another poster to say...I love the judgemental purists of this world that have taken it upon themselves to determine who is (and who is not) out of line in drawing religious boundaries...which led to yet another poster retorting... I love the judgemental purists of this world that have taken it upon themselves to...and on and on it went]

ALL: Traderob has refuted himself. He claims some license he has to judge somebody else morally and/or doctrinally -- all while castigating that person for judging a group of people doctrinally.

Who issued the license of judgement to traderob? And why does traderob think he has the power to withhold somebody else from wielding public doctrinal discernment?

44 posted on 03/21/2011 9:09:56 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Former Fetus; traderrob6

They also believe God was once man and as God once was so can man be.

They believe they can become God’s and multiple wives in their spirit world.

I’d like to guess what God thinks of that and the description of God but we already know those answers.


45 posted on 03/21/2011 9:10:12 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: MindBender26; LS

And, isn’t it amazing how differently those interpretations are interpreted! All we really have to do is listen to our conscience to know the truth. “..small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.” I’m still seeking it..


46 posted on 03/21/2011 9:18:34 AM PDT by divine_moment_of_facts (Give me Liberty.. or I'll get up and get it for myself!)
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To: MinuteGal
Yeah? I too have one of the best BS radars around and for 20 years I thought we were the same and both Christians. Now it's not for me to say we aren't, from God's point of view, but they don't consider themselves Christian and wouldn't want to be. I have hung with a family of Mormons for some 20 years and until someone said something weird to me a little more than 2 years ago, I never bothered to look into LDS and considered them Christians, the same as me. However,
 
At some point LDS has to admit I have their Doxy correct.  Does that make them a bad person and make me a good person?  NO.  It just makes us people.
 
In regards to their quoting of the scriptures, I don't get it.  Mormonism has at it's core that the rest of us have been led astray and we continue our whoring ways in direct violation of God's commandments.
 
They further tell us the Bible is flawed written by some unknown men of a distant age.  They they choose what books of the Bible are still valid and then using Utah logic, they read whatever they want into the scripture.
 
That is how I see it?
 
Let me shine a very bright light on this.  There isn't going to be some new revelation "The prophets" find some sort of equivalency, so LDS can remain relevant.  They do not want to and they will not go through a reformation.
 
Book of Mormon Student Manual:

Page 12;
“The value of the Brass Plates to the Nephites cannot be overestimated. By means of them they were able to
preserve the language (1 Ne. 3:19), most of the civilization, and the religious knowledge of the people
from whence they came. (1 Ne. 22:30.) By way of contrast, the Mulekites, who were led out of Jerusalem
some 11 years after Lehi’s departure, and who had no record equivalent to the Brass Plates, soon
dwindled in apostasy and unbelief and lost their language, civilization, and religion. (Omni 14–18.)
 
Page 24;
“Why was Israel scattered? The answer is clear; it is plain; of it there is no doubt. Our Israelite forebears
were scattered because they rejected the gospel, defiled the priesthood, forsook the church, and departed from
the kingdom. They were scattered because they turned from the Lord, worshipped false gods, and walked in all
the ways of the heathen nations. . . . Israel was scattered for apostasy. The Lord in his wrath, because of their
wickedness and rebellion, scattered them among the heathen in all the nations of the earth.
 
Page 26;
especially important are the effects of the Apostasy, the eventual Restoration
of the gospel, and the ultimate triumph of good.
 
Page 76;
shall be “brought low” (2 Nephi 12:12) and their “lofty looks” (2 Nephi 12:11) shall cease, for at the day of the
Lord—the Second Coming—His glory will smite them.  Verses 13–22 describe some of the status symbols of
the day, including commodities acquired by the most wealthy, the high mountains and hills of false worship
and apostate religion
, the manmade defenses of towers and walls, and beautiful crafts or pleasure ships. In
summary, the haughty and proud will fall, and their worldly treasures shall crumble away in the presence
of the Lord’s coming (see 3 Nephi 25:1; Malachi 4:1).
 
Page 93;
The phrase "marvelous work and a wonder"  appears in Isaiah 29:14 and refers to the Restoration of the gospel
in the latter days. In 2 Nephi 27 we read of the important role of the Book of Mormon in this Restoration. Isaiah
prophesied that as the Book of Mormon would help dispel the darkness of almost 2,000 years of apostasy, the “wisdom”
of the supposed “wise and learned” would “perish, and the understanding of their prudent” would come to naught
(2 Nephi 27:26).
 
Missionary Preparation Student Manual(2005)
 
Introdcution v;
Subjects covered in both this student manual and Preach My Gospel include understanding the call to
serve a mission; learning to study and teach the gospel; teaching about the Apostasy, the Restoration,
and the importance of latter-day scripture;
 
Page 63;
Time and again throughout the history of the world, the people eventually rejected the prophets’ message. When
this happened, prophets, ordinances, and priesthood authority were taken away and the people lived in spiritual
darkness. These periods of darkness are referred to as periods of apostasy.  Because of His mercy, in time the Lord called
and sent new prophets to restore His gospel.
 
Page 66;
The rejection of the Savior, His teachings, and priesthood authority resulted in the Apostasy of the New Testament Church.
 
Without revelation or priesthood authority, false doctrines began to be taught and the true Church of Jesus Christ was lost.
God allowed truth, as well as His priesthood authority, ordinances, and Church organization to be taken once again from the earth
because of the apostasy of His children.
 
 
This apostasy eventually led to the emergence of many churches. False ideas were taught and knowledge of the true character and nature
of the Father, His Son, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost was lost. The doctrine of repentance became distorted. Baptism and other
ordinances and covenants were changed or forgotten. The gift of the Holy Ghost was no longer available. This period of time when the true
Church no longer existed on the earth has come to be known as the Great Apostasy. It lasted until the Restoration through the Prophet
Joseph Smith.
 
Prospective missionaries should have an understanding of this apostasy and be able to teach it in a simple manner to their investigators.
(What's an investigator?)
 
Page 68;
President Gordon B. Hinckley taught that the reformers were doing their best to find the truths that had been lost to the Great Apostasy:
 
Page 72;
If, through apostasy, the truth and authority of the gospel are lost, God eventually calls another prophet at the appropriate time and place to
restore His authority and truth. The Prophet Joseph Smith was called to usher in the gospel dispensation that will lead to the Second Coming
of Jesus Christ and the Millennium.
 
New Testament Student Manual
 
(13-6) Matthew 15:13;
Who Are the “Plants” That “Shall Be Rooted Up”? False ministers who are offended by the truth “are corrupt and apostate, and in due course
shall be rooted out” by the truths which the Lord and his prophets declare. (See McConkie, DNTC, 1:368.)
 
Without the claim of Apostacy, LDS is not relevant nor can they validate themselves as "The One True Church on Earth".
 
Apostacy seems to be a recurring Obsession of the LDS Meme and somehow we are all suppose to bow down to their superior
Spirit, Perception, Pre-emminance, Superiority and anything else they can think of that puts people in the position of bit players
for their patronizing and condescending attitude.  All of which comes by way of a superiority complex.
 
Most people can't stand to be in the same room with a personality disorder that claims "Everyone else is inferior to me.  Now, bow down, kiss my ring finger and follow me...."
 
And that is the very first and major problem with LDS.  You aren't superior or chosen by God above all others.  "For all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God".  No one is excluded in that statement or any of the companion scriptures.  There is no way to receive special dispensation without Joseph Smith.
 
Besides the Hebrew beat the LDS by being the first and only chosen people of God.
 
So help me out here; Is this still current LDS doctrine?
 
Anyone?  Anyone?......  Anyone?
 
Everthing I typed above is from current LDS Student Material.  So nothing has changed, at all.
 
 
 
 

47 posted on 03/21/2011 9:20:38 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: fishtank

Beck’s religious belief is not dangerous to those who are knowledgeable about Mormonism and Christian Theology. He doesn’t hide his bias—it is his faith. I will not condemn him for his belief system, although I think he is in error, but I will not condemn him for having a belief system. I would rather he be Mormon than muslim. Although Mormonism lacks logic and reason unlike Christianity, it is not the equivalent to the no-logic, no free will— of islam.

What is surprising is his great logic when he attacks Progressive ideas and relates the Founding Father’s belief in Objective Truth and their intent when constructing the Constitution of the US. He is right about the historical context of the document and he is absolutely right when he says that our rights come from God....it is actually stated in the Founding documents. It was the Christian God—not just any god. He acknowledges that also.

His education into the historical founding of the country is also enlightening and I haven’t heard anything that isn’t “truthful” when he talks about political events and he ALWAYS recommends doing your own research which is consistent with people who are honest and have good intentions.

The New Age Religion movement is a problem....this water-down syncretism is what destroyed religion in Germany and Europe and has destroyed Christianity to a large degree in the US. Again, knowledge and education is the answer to the ignorance that allows this to happen.

Beck does state that it doesn’t matter which “god” you worship.....I do disagree with that profoundly. It makes all the difference in the world and the Founders were very specific (because of the devout Christians who founded this country) to enshrine the Christian ethic in the Founding documents and our legal system which is incompatible with many other “gods”.


48 posted on 03/21/2011 9:21:06 AM PDT by savagesusie
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To: Mozilla

A good thing done in a wrong way is still wrong.


49 posted on 03/21/2011 9:24:52 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Colofornian; traderrob6

I don’t believe traderrob6 has been given the imprimatur of deciding who is right or who is wrong doctrinally and is probably a nice person.

However, there is no doubt the Mormon Church believes we are quite separate and distinctly different.

I was like traderrob6 but after spending the last two years studying them.

Trust me traderrob6, you are a mere “Apostate and Whore of Babylong” and that’s okay. There is no LDS if they don’t believe all other religions are failed or dark religions. They simply don’t exist without that belief.


50 posted on 03/21/2011 9:25:27 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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