Posted on 03/21/2011 7:56:54 AM PDT by fishtank
Beck's Bogus Beliefs
March 2011
by T. A. McMahon
"Glenn Beck, the television and radio talk show host who is best known for his conservative political views, isn't someone whom we would normally address in our newsletter. Our concerns are usually directed at individuals, programs, or organizations that promote spiritual or theological views contrary to the Word of God. Beck, of late, seems to be making himself at home in that realm, and he's attracting many who call themselves Bible-believing Christians. ...
First of all, Glenn Beck is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He may refer to himself as a Christian, but he's certainly not a biblical Christian. The distinction is as wide as hell is from heaven: "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God" (2 John:9). Mormon doctrine is "another gospel" that exalts "another Jesus." Both false beliefs came out of the deceived and deceiving mind of Joseph Smith. Secondly, "our country" doesn't have "Christian roots," even though some are claiming that our founding fathers were true Christians. Many were not biblical Christians but Christians in name only, who followed the faith of Deism, Masonry, and the philosophy of the Enlightenment. Any early influence in America's history of a biblical nature very likely came from the Pilgrims and the Puritans...."
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Yadda yadda yadda Mormon, yadda yadda yadda bad.
“Beck, of late, seems to be making himself at home in that realm, and he’s attracting many who call themselves Bible-believing Christians.”
Look to me like Glen(n) Beck is trying to be the white, male, conservative Oprah.
Ummm,
... given that “Glenn Romney” and “Mitt Beck” want to dominate the republicans, this is an important article.
TheBereanCall.org is not a political newsletter, but is focused instead on issues related to spiritual deception.
I beg you reconsider dismissing this subject.
In the battle for this nations soul and survival, let's make sure that, every day, we post something to run down another leading Conservative!
Thank you for helping elect more Obamas!
Okay I’ll give it a serious read. :-)
But I do get worn out by the whole “Mormons are bad” thing around here. It’s way overdone. One of the best preparedness manuals going around here appears to be a product of LDS, for what it’s worth.
In other words, you can’t dismiss someone SOLELY for having a strange belief system. You have to look at the whole person.
The enemy is clear, obvious, and dangerous and it's NOT the people on our side.
Yeah, I do kinda’ wish he’d stop preaching mormonism, which is a man-made cult and horribly heretical “religion.”
He has a lot of other great qualities, but his not being a Christian, no matter what he says, hurts his credibility.
Glenn doesn’t force ‘his God’ down the throat of anyone.. He leaves it to his listeners to take from it what they want.
As long as Glenn Beck angers the left then he’ll be good in my book. He’s done a lot in 3 years to expose Obama. I’m anti-Obama and anyone speaking against him is good.
I might trust an LDS produced emergency manual. Which is different from the emergency of hell.
I’m also concerned about escaping hell. Thankfully, God saved me a while ago.
But that was through faith in the real Jesus, not in a counterfeit faith in a make-believe lds jesus.
Amen to that! You should hear them when you mention Roy Masters! LOL!
Sorry. The lds is not “on my side”.
This is a post dealing with SPIRITUAL issues, which is why I put it in the RELIGION forum.
Beck crossed the line at Liberty University when he left the subject of POLITICS and then started to talk about SPIRITUAL issues.
A. T. Mahan was a brilliant 19th century naval strategist who wrote “The Influence of Sea Power Upon History, 1660-1783”.
What is T. A. McMahon’s claim to fame?
I love the judgemental purists of this world that have taken it upon themselves to determine who is (and who is not) a bonafide Christian.
He believes that Jesus Christ was the son of God, that he is the Saviour of man put on this earth to pay for our sins.
That’s good enough for me.
If you go to this clowns website, you’ll see he is not a Christian, but an anti Mormon propagandist. Period.
His whole operation is built upon hawking Mormon Hatred FOR CASH of course.
Not exactly what I’d call Christian.
For example, had it not been for the Jewish Dutch bankers, who provided financing at the behest of John Adams, we never would have had a chance against the Crown and its money!
Yadda yadda, TRUTH, yadda, yadda,BAD, yadda, yadda OBSCURO.
No way is a mormon either a deist like our Founders or even,as the article states Christians in name only. They are yet another created religion. And in vast experience, like RomneyCare— they are not to be trusted. The historical record is both clear and bloody. Yadda yadda. Deo Vindice.
Jesus said to His disciples who were concerned about other ministers not in ‘their’ group, “He who is not against us is with us.” I fail to see how Beck is against us on almost anything. Quite the contrary, those who constantly carp at other consrvatives, even in a “RELIGION” forum, seem to be offending the Biblical injunction to remove the plank in your own eye.
Yes, Masons too. In fact, many of the Founders, including Washington, were Masons.
The preparedness manual, so called, was derived from US govt. sources in the 50’s (red scare, personal bunkers etc.). The few remaining family farmers have subscribed to these preparedness practices for generations. The govt. does not want us prepared independently of their largesse and protection at a price- freedom.
Beck could take these two clowns down in a one hour show. They better be careful.
Want to really rattle some of these people?
Remind them that the Bible we read was not written by Jesus, nor the supposed authors of the Books, but rather it was interpreted in 1611 by 47 friends of King James of England!
Then, of course, there are the Gnostic Gospels...
The article refutes Beck's faith and what he has written in his new book. That is not hate, but discernment, scholarship and legitimate criticism.
McMahon is warning people about the false doctrine of Mormonism and the corrupting influence of new age-y practices espoused by Beck and Ablow. I agree with him 100%.
I was wondering how long it would be before Beck started to leverage his stature within Conservatism to evangelize for the LDS church. Tea Partiers need to be very careful that their movement is not co-opted by Beck or others who may have ulterior motives.
In a sense you are right. Christianity went from about 500 followers of Jesus to 1 million in a few years with no established church, no Bible, and no hymnals. Indeed, just as it is today in China, Christianity is most powerful when it is totally Christ-centered, without a lot of “guidance” from people, who inevitably want “p@$$ing rights.”
“given that “Glenn Romney” and “Mitt Beck” want to dominate the republicans, this is an important article.”
What do Romney and Beck have to do with eachother, besides Mormonism?
“Look to me like Glen(n) Beck is trying to be the white, male, conservative Oprah”
Maybe, with that “e” to the fourth power (or whatever it’s called) crap, but that’s only the highlight of his show every few episodes or so. The rest of the time he’s weaving insane paranoid fantasies, which is what makes his show popular—certainly it’s what I tune in for—and is decidedly un-Oprah-esque.
“Mahan was a brilliant 19th century naval strategist who wrote ‘The Influence of Sea Power Upon History, 1660-1783’”
Appropos of nothing, I remember once hearing said you could alter the title to “The Influence of History Upon Sea Power” and not alter what you learn one whit.
So Christians are supposed to "just be nice" to people who lead other's astray from God's Word and the truth about our salvation? That makes about as much sense as being too polite to tell someone the bridge ahead is washed out (None of my business, maybe it will be fine when they get there).
Yes, their disaster preparedness plans are terrific. But I'm preparing for a lot longer than the next 30 or 40 years. I'll trust in Jesus, the REAL Jesus, for my preparedness for after this very short life.
“in vast experience, like RomneyCare— they are not to be trusted”
That is a completely idiotic statement, and I can’t believe you even believe it.
Ironic isn’t it? Glenn Beck displays more Christian values and morals than any Christian spewing hate towards him.
Bingo. Mindbender26 on the attack, leftist style.
You do understand that vast numbers of black and white so called “christians” of the communalist leftist christian socialist movement were who put obambi in office. They are at it again, the “true christian” leftists in academia, and in the pulpit- black, white, hispanic... misdirecting the flock to continue to support one-world progressivism. While Beck rails against Wilsonian progressivism, he is working for increased power for one sector of belief. Much like the Kennedys and Irish in Boston and beyond. Religion is political in all reality, so this discussion is of merit as an opposing scriptural view, and examining the interesting nature of Beck’s “conversion”, which is human. Much in the same way Beck has examined Soros. For biblical Christians both these individuals bear watching.
Even as obama goes to brazil to get his cash kickback for his 2012 campaign from Petrobras for preventing any new drilling in the Gulf, per Soros and the US DOE subsidy award to Petrobras, conservatives (big C, small govt.conservatives) need to be vigilant. The leadership void is what is most important to fill. Beck is helpful as an educator to several lost generations, and the Bereans are valid in their spiritual critique and not so much in their political critique.
As a country we learned early NOT to be socialists, nor to put our trust in anything but a limited government. And that government would be limited by the proper actions of people of belief(Federalist Papers), and in fact could not survive without those beliefs and proper self-control. The tent should be big and accepting for this kind of conservatism,and not some competing theocracy. We need another Ronald Reagan.
Well put! I agree wholeheartedly!
Not so! He believes that Jesus Christ was A son of God... just like Lucifer for example. I believe that Jesus is the only Son of God, Beck believes that He is one of many. And this is just for starters, I don't want to move on to other non-Christan beliefs that Mormons hold. And FYI, I don't hate Mormons. I have witnessed to them at every chance I've got.
I thought the same for 20 years until a friend, who is Mormon, said something that was so far out of the ordinary I finally looked into LDS.
There is zero point in arguing we are the same, as I found out.
They don’t believe we are. In fact, their missionaries are well trained in the 3 doctrines they run into while on mission.
That is the Catholic, Protestant and Lutheran doctrines. LDS has a completely different doctrine, divorced from all others and distinctly different.
When you run into a well read and educated Mormon they can explain the difference in doctrine and why theirs is the only one.
They don’t believe you are a Christian. But rather, they are Christian and you worship in an apostate religion and as Joseph Smith and every single prophet of LDS has proclaimed Christians are “Apostates and Whores of Babylon”.
Doesn’t make them bad or me a good person. Just people who have a difference in doctrine. One who believes the Holy Bible is complete, accurate and sufficient, while the other believes the Bible to contain errors, a missing book and worships from to additional books which are considered holy in their faith.
Personally, I am not offended in their view, particularly since I have been reading diligently and learning about LDS for the last two years.
I can provided specifics if required but we can start with “The Pearl of Great Price”.
A friend was telling me the story of the Pearl of Great Price and I became confused, as the version he was telling me I had never heard.
I explained I had never heard that and the story of the Pearl of Great Price is familiar to most Christians as part of the three great parables, with the PoP explaining why works could never get you into heaven or make you more than what God sees us as.
This friend went ballistic and said there was no such thing and the story was unique to LDS scripture alone.
I tried to diffuse the situation saying “It may very well be in LDS scripture but any Christian would be familiar with Mathew 13”. With that I started to tell the three parables.
Guy went through the roof, at that point, and I said “Look may be I don’t understand this correctly. It’s not as if I am a theologian”.
Got him to agree we should change the subject and later I went to Mathew again and there it was plain as day; The Three Parables which are closed out by the “New Testament” version of the the Pearl of Great Price.
I couldn’t believe after all these of years of not even opening a Bible I had recalled, much less retained, the passage.
I have concluded LDS needs to co-opt, plagiarize and denigrate all of Christianity, otherwise why would there be a need for “The Restoration”.
Still, it’s even funnier being a Master Mason, seeing the same ceremonies, rites and rituals you find in Masonry as part of their worthiness program.
None of it’s an accident and they now want to claim they are Christian? After railing all of Christianity for 150 years?
Why?
So they can mainstream their religion while still calling us apostates and whores of Babylon?
No way, man.
Well, let's see. Fishtank is a conservative.
You're running him down.
As Dr. Thorne mentioned, you've gone on the attack vs. Fishtank with the all-purpose leftist word of "hate."
And by your own personal standards (not mine), having now attacked Fishtank, I guess that makes you guilty of violating that standard of love...meaning you must "hate" Fishtank.
That's what's always self-refutingly funny on these threads. So many posters rush into comment like they are some kind of thread ref, postulating upon others' perceived violation of their personal standards.
But if disagreeing = "hate" -- which is what the left's lexicon says ... and if these posters like Mindbender disagree with content posted...well, that means their words apply to themselves. Because as posters, they are not ref-moderators, but "players."
Why don't you try applying your own personal standards to yourself, Mindbender.
After he returned from Christmas break, he's dropped most of the preachy, professorial, tutorial crappioli presentations he was getting bogged down in.......and which was causing folks, including me, to tune him out.
Since then, he's concentrated brilliantly on exposing the Obama regime, commies in government, radical organizations, etc. in a manner we've never seen before....and which we had all prayed to see happen in the media some day. Rush had given it a fling on TV, but unfortunately for us, it didn't pan out....and that was about the last of conservativism we were to see on the tube till Glenn popped up almost out of nowhere.
It's obvious Beck was "talked to" by a higher power in the Fox hierarchy during the holiday break or before. He really toned the preachy stuff down most remarkably. He's quite bearable now....and a gratifying font of well-researched info and education on the aims and methods of the enemies of our Republic.
If his particular style is not bearable, don't watch. He is not for everyone in this age of escapism and agreeable TV pap. His pre-taped Friday shows are usually crashing bores. The rest of the week I watch avidly. But nobody's perfect....including Rush who's been having some really inferior programs lately.
I personally cut Glenn some slack on his style because of all the inside stuff and the over-all value of his show's content to me as a conservative and an unabashed patriot.
Glenn is probably more of a Norman Vincent Peale than a Billy Sunday. As such, I find absolutely nothing in his own particular brand of do-good, live-right and be-aware set of values that offends or threatens my Christianity in the least.
My Christianity is not that frail of a thing that a good-natured, well-motivated, non-threatening Mormon or Baptist or Catholic with a TV program could shake even if he or she tried.
If one is looking for insidious propagandizing on Fox, turn the spotlight on socialist/populists like O'Reilly and Rivera, not on our ally, Glenn Beck.
Leni
Moreover, you can directly to the Catholic Church’s website and get their explanation for why LDS is not a Christian doctrine.
Same at virtually any Protestant Church. Look to Southern Baptist and Independent Baptist.
None claim LDS as Christian and go into succinct points as to why.
Beck is a "good" man, IMHO, and has "good" intentions. There are good Catholics, Baptists, Mormons, Methodists, ect, but I don't have to walk lockstep with anyone. It is fine to point out people's weaknesses, but you must know that you will soon be alone with no friends. I am friends with many people with varying beliefs, but I just have spirited discussions with them and don't abandon them. If my arguments can't hold up, maybe I need to re evaluate my arguments. It's called "learnin something". I think everyone would agree that starting a fight over what the Bible says is easy. The writers of the article believe they are the Bible experts that everyone must follow or they are following the devil. I may agree more with them than Beck Biblically, but to act like that only separates Christians. If you argue over salvation issues, that would be enough to anger a friend, but there are many arguments we could have amongst ourselves that have no bearing whether we go to heaven or not. One might be whether the Founders were Christians or not. I submit, as a group, they were more "Christian" than many pastors today.
On the whole, I think Beck is a treasure and will continue to watch and listen. I will never consider Mormonism as a plan of salvation. The two don't have to be mutually inclusive.
ALL: Traderob has refuted himself. He claims some license he has to judge somebody else morally and/or doctrinally -- all while castigating that person for judging a group of people doctrinally.
Who issued the license of judgement to traderob? And why does traderob think he has the power to withhold somebody else from wielding public doctrinal discernment?
They also believe God was once man and as God once was so can man be.
They believe they can become God’s and multiple wives in their spirit world.
I’d like to guess what God thinks of that and the description of God but we already know those answers.
And, isn’t it amazing how differently those interpretations are interpreted! All we really have to do is listen to our conscience to know the truth. “..small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.” I’m still seeking it..
Page 12;
“The value of the Brass Plates to the Nephites cannot be overestimated. By means of them they were able to
preserve the language (1 Ne. 3:19), most of the civilization, and the religious knowledge of the people
from whence they came. (1 Ne. 22:30.) By way of contrast, the Mulekites, who were led out of Jerusalem
some 11 years after Lehi’s departure, and who had no record equivalent to the Brass Plates, soon
dwindled in apostasy and unbelief and lost their language, civilization, and religion. (Omni 14–18.)Page 24;
“Why was Israel scattered? The answer is clear; it is plain; of it there is no doubt. Our Israelite forebears
were scattered because they rejected the gospel, defiled the priesthood, forsook the church, and departed from
the kingdom. They were scattered because they turned from the Lord, worshipped false gods, and walked in all
the ways of the heathen nations. . . . Israel was scattered for apostasy. The Lord in his wrath, because of their
wickedness and rebellion, scattered them among the heathen in all the nations of the earth.Page 26;especially important are the effects of the Apostasy, the eventual Restoration
of the gospel, and the ultimate triumph of good.Page 76;shall be “brought low” (2 Nephi 12:12) and their “lofty looks” (2 Nephi 12:11) shall cease, for at the day of the
Lord—the Second Coming—His glory will smite them. Verses 13–22 describe some of the status symbols of
the day, including commodities acquired by the most wealthy, the high mountains and hills of false worship
and apostate religion, the manmade defenses of towers and walls, and beautiful crafts or pleasure ships. In
summary, the haughty and proud will fall, and their worldly treasures shall crumble away in the presence
of the Lord’s coming (see 3 Nephi 25:1; Malachi 4:1).Page 93;The phrase "marvelous work and a wonder" appears in Isaiah 29:14 and refers to the Restoration of the gospelin the latter days. In 2 Nephi 27 we read of the important role of the Book of Mormon in this Restoration. Isaiahprophesied that as the Book of Mormon would help dispel the darkness of almost 2,000 years of apostasy, the “wisdom”of the supposed “wise and learned” would “perish, and the understanding of their prudent” would come to naught
(2 Nephi 27:26).
Introdcution v;Subjects covered in both this student manual and Preach My Gospel include understanding the call to
serve a mission; learning to study and teach the gospel; teaching about the Apostasy, the Restoration,
and the importance of latter-day scripture;Page 63;Time and again throughout the history of the world, the people eventually rejected the prophets’ message. Whenthis happened, prophets, ordinances, and priesthood authority were taken away and the people lived in spiritualdarkness. These periods of darkness are referred to as periods of apostasy. Because of His mercy, in time the Lord calledand sent new prophets to restore His gospel.Page 66;The rejection of the Savior, His teachings, and priesthood authority resulted in the Apostasy of the New Testament Church.Without revelation or priesthood authority, false doctrines began to be taught and the true Church of Jesus Christ was lost.God allowed truth, as well as His priesthood authority, ordinances, and Church organization to be taken once again from the earthbecause of the apostasy of His children.This apostasy eventually led to the emergence of many churches. False ideas were taught and knowledge of the true character and natureof the Father, His Son, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost was lost. The doctrine of repentance became distorted. Baptism and otherordinances and covenants were changed or forgotten. The gift of the Holy Ghost was no longer available. This period of time when the trueChurch no longer existed on the earth has come to be known as the Great Apostasy. It lasted until the Restoration through the ProphetJoseph Smith.Prospective missionaries should have an understanding of this apostasy and be able to teach it in a simple manner to their investigators.(What's an investigator?)Page 68;President Gordon B. Hinckley taught that the reformers were doing their best to find the truths that had been lost to the Great Apostasy:Page 72;If, through apostasy, the truth and authority of the gospel are lost, God eventually calls another prophet at the appropriate time and place torestore His authority and truth. The Prophet Joseph Smith was called to usher in the gospel dispensation that will lead to the Second Comingof Jesus Christ and the Millennium.
(13-6) Matthew 15:13;Who Are the “Plants” That “Shall Be Rooted Up”? False ministers who are offended by the truth “are corrupt and apostate, and in due courseshall be rooted out” by the truths which the Lord and his prophets declare. (See McConkie, DNTC, 1:368.)
Beck’s religious belief is not dangerous to those who are knowledgeable about Mormonism and Christian Theology. He doesn’t hide his bias—it is his faith. I will not condemn him for his belief system, although I think he is in error, but I will not condemn him for having a belief system. I would rather he be Mormon than muslim. Although Mormonism lacks logic and reason unlike Christianity, it is not the equivalent to the no-logic, no free will— of islam.
What is surprising is his great logic when he attacks Progressive ideas and relates the Founding Father’s belief in Objective Truth and their intent when constructing the Constitution of the US. He is right about the historical context of the document and he is absolutely right when he says that our rights come from God....it is actually stated in the Founding documents. It was the Christian God—not just any god. He acknowledges that also.
His education into the historical founding of the country is also enlightening and I haven’t heard anything that isn’t “truthful” when he talks about political events and he ALWAYS recommends doing your own research which is consistent with people who are honest and have good intentions.
The New Age Religion movement is a problem....this water-down syncretism is what destroyed religion in Germany and Europe and has destroyed Christianity to a large degree in the US. Again, knowledge and education is the answer to the ignorance that allows this to happen.
Beck does state that it doesn’t matter which “god” you worship.....I do disagree with that profoundly. It makes all the difference in the world and the Founders were very specific (because of the devout Christians who founded this country) to enshrine the Christian ethic in the Founding documents and our legal system which is incompatible with many other “gods”.
A good thing done in a wrong way is still wrong.
I don’t believe traderrob6 has been given the imprimatur of deciding who is right or who is wrong doctrinally and is probably a nice person.
However, there is no doubt the Mormon Church believes we are quite separate and distinctly different.
I was like traderrob6 but after spending the last two years studying them.
Trust me traderrob6, you are a mere “Apostate and Whore of Babylong” and that’s okay. There is no LDS if they don’t believe all other religions are failed or dark religions. They simply don’t exist without that belief.
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