Posted on 02/12/2011 5:33:19 PM PST by topher
“Congratulations. What a profoundly selfish way of thinking.”
Why? I was married for 10 years and didn’t want kids. I can’t have unprotected sex with my wife?
I thank God for the women in my life that have been on the pill.
WOMEN would imply more than one.
I didn’t say I made them take it. Their mothers probably did.
I am not having a battle of wits with someone so unarmed. Clearly, you think this was convenient by your comment that you are thankful for the women in your life who have been on the pill. That mentality is part of the problem with this country. If you can’t see that, too bad for you.
Go sit in a welfare office sometime and you’d wish more people were on the pill. The behavior remains a constant whether the pill is taken or not. Meanwhile, I work hard and have to pay the IRS while people get $4000 back for not working and making babies. And don’t challenge my intelligence.
Oh, I have to say I DO NOT equate the pill with abortion.
1. don’t lecture me about sitting in a welfare office. My mother is a welfare case worker & I work in a large pediatric hospital where I see neglect and abuse everyday. I also see almost 46% of my salary sucked off in federal, state, and local taxes before it even hits my bank account. Despite all that, I am still NOT going to advocate a Pill that allows one to engage in irresponsible behavior, has major side effects, drives up the cost of healthcare, correlates with an increase in STDs, breast cancer, and abortion, contaminates our environment, and is just all around immoral. If you are so intellectually dishonest & self-serving that you want to give an “ok” to it because it has allowed you to have fun, then that’s your problem not mine. Makes me suspect that you are a liberal
2. If you don’t equate the Pill with abortion, then perhaps you should educate yourself on how it works. So yes, smartass, I will question your intelligence.
allows one to engage in irresponsible behavior(removing condoms off the shelf doesn’t stop homosexuality), has major side effects(the patient and doctor can evaluate and make this decision), drives up the cost of healthcare(not sure the correlation here), correlates with an increase in STDs(I can go for that), breast cancer(I understand the risk), and abortion(the pill prevents pregnancy), contaminates our environment(not unless you dump them down the toilet).
And as far as your moral arguement, that’s your opinion. I am a welfare caseworker in Florida and I’m working on my MBA in Healthcare Administration. Don’t hurl your insults my way by insinuating I’m a liberal. Women have a choice in the medications they take. I am not morally superior to pass judgement on women that use these drugs perhaps to regulate their period or protect themselves from unwanted pregnancy.
I personally don’t want kids at this point in my life(I’m 40). If a woman is not on the pill I will use other methods of safety against pregnancy.
Placemark.
Your problem here is that you assume you know more than you do about this topic. So I will take it point by point.
Allowing one to engage in irresponsible behaviors - I never mentioned homosexuality here so let’s stick to the topic at hand. Taking the Pill gives a woman a false sense of security & encourages irresponsible sex. The Pill package inserts claim an effectiveness of 99% when the real failure rate is more like 17%. These women pursue “sex without consequences” which is a falsehood that does not exist.
Side effects- the AMA & other physician groups are on record soft-balling the side effects of the pill. If you think places like Planned Parenthood are counseling women to the real risks of the Pill think again. My own GYN tried pushing this shit off on me after my daughter was born, telling me that serious effects are “rare”. Meanwhile, I had just witnessed the death of 4 patients at work in a short span of time from strokes and/or pulmonary embolism from the Pill. A close friend of mine just got out of the hospital last week from a PE that her physicians blamed on the Pill. If you think drs & patients are discussing this, think again. This is a multi-million dollar industry.
Driving up healthcare costs - who do you think is paying for the Pill that is given out for “free” at various clinics? And who do you think pays for hospitalizations & care related to side effects? That’s not rocket science, dude.
Abortion - if a woman conceives while on the Pill, the Pill prevents the implantation of the embryo & it is passed. It is an abortifacient. Every woman taking the Pill (and man who condones it) is guilty of this.
Contaminates our environment - you say this dosen’t happen unless you dump it down the toilet. Are you seriously that simple? WTF do you think happens when a woman pees? All the exogenous hormones she’s been taking are dumped into the sewer system. And out water treatment facilities are not sophisticated enough to remove these hormones from the drinking water. Why do you think there are 6 year old girls growing boobs & getting their periods? How about men who are developing feminizing characteristics, like man-boobs?
I’m appalled that you fail to see these arguments, as well as your own relativism. As far as women having a choice as far as which meds they take, can you say with honesty that they are being given full disclosure, making a truly informed choice? I can tell you - hell no. And it’s men like you who encourage it for their own convenience who are part of the problem. If you don’t like my “opinion”, too bad. The truth hurts & I have the facts on my side.
Why not that IS the way it works.It keeps the lining of the uterus thin so that a fertilized egg can not attach.
Listen to the Pope when he spoke to UN he lays out the whole realm of Natural Order... it was a very educational speech!
Yawn... I’m not telling or encouraging women to take these pills. Go take your platform to the parking lots of Planned Parenthood. Ill drive you there. I’m tired of the bantering. Its tiresome. Good evening...
Because of this type of thinking, the Protestants of Northern Ireland wanted nothing to do with the Republic of Ireland. The Catholic Church is not the end all be all of morality. Follow your teachings, fine. But please,since most Protestants have no problem with non-abortion birth control, do not insult others who do not agree with your views on birth control. Have a little tolerance for the people your ancestors came to live among.
I just saw an ad for a new “birth control” pill on TV today. The thought came to me, that those of us who are pro-life—really should name “the pill” what it is, “the STERILITY PILL.”
If we routinely called it that, which is a strictly accurate description.... people may become less enamored with it.
I’m a happy Protestant, and hold no candle for the Church of Rome (ask narses and other Romanists I’ve debated on FR).
However, on the Pill, Roman Catholics are medically correct in calling it a (partial) abortificant. Yes, the primary way it works is to shut down the ovaries. A 2ndary way it works though is also by shutting down the uterus—which means in a certain, small percentage of cases, it will and does cause a spontaneous abortion of a fertilized egg...that is, a human baby.
A person who is conscientiously pro-life—believing that human life is sacred, and that it begins at conception—cannot in good conscience endorse the pill, period.
I know this from the Bible, which calls pre-born babies human... and it takes no pope or Church, or natural law-reasoning to bring me that common-sense conclusion.
Overall, not a bad idea. Think of it this way. The way a phrase is couched often tilts those who are undecided one way or another. Think of the evil euphemism: “pro-choice,” which we know equals nothing less than pro-abortion. The pill is often couched in language that emphasizes free love, uncomplicated entanglements, et cetera. It doesn’t, however, bring up the deleterious results on those individuals who would be here, but for the effects of birth control. I realize I’m rattling on, but hopefully you get my drift. A better reference term for the pill and it’s equivalents is needed. One that is succinct, and gets the point across. Do we have any good marketing folks out there into coining phrases?
Excuse the typos. I’m on a blackberry and am fumble fingered...
Yes, the pill has problems.
But if you ask the average woman: Which do you prefer, a 12 percent risk of breast cancer and two kids, or a 9 percent chance of breast cancer and ten kids? I wonder what she’d answer.
Especially if she knew that 90 percent of breast cancer can be cured...
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