Skip to comments.Glenn Beck – Too Stupid for Words
Posted on 05/31/2010 4:54:56 AM PDT by CalvaryJohn
Heres a snippet from Glenn Becks radio show 5/27/10 this one clip should eternally disqualify Glenn Beck as a commentator on religion in the eyes of all informed listeners:
Here is a transcript provided by RazorKiss that starts at about 38 seconds into the clip (link):
Glenn: the Dead Sea Scrolls, you know what they are? Stu, do you know what the Dead Sea Scrolls are? Stu: Well, of course I do Glenn: Now, cmon, most people dont. Stu: Well, I heard of them, I dont really know Glenn: You dont really know. You have no idea why they were there. Sara average person doesnt know. Any idea, take a guess on why the Dead Sea Scrolls were there, or anything else. Sara(?): Something religious. Glenn: Okay, good. Even though Ive explained this on this program a couple of times, Im glad to see that even the people that work with me dont even listen. So heres what happened. When Constantine decided that he was going to cobble together an army, he did the Council of Nicea, right, Pat? Pat: Yea. Glenn: The Council of Nicea, and what they did is brought all of the religious figures together, all the Christians and then they said, Ok, lets put together the Apostles Creed, lets you know, you guys do it. So they brought all their religious scripture together, thats when the Bible was first bound and everything else. And then they said, Anybody that disagrees with this is a heretic and off with their head! Well, thats what the Dead Sea Scrolls are. The Dead Sea Scrolls are those scriptures that people had at the time that they said, They are destroying all of this truth. Whether its truth or not is up to the individual, but at that time those people thought that this was something that needed to be preserved and so they rolled up the scrolls and put them in clay pots and they put them in the back of caves where no one could find them. They were hidden scripture because everything was being destroyed that disagreed with the Council of Nicea and Constantine. Thats what those things are.
Schleitheim has done a hilarious analysis here. Glenn Beck is simply too stupid for words. It is little wonder that Liberty University thought he was a worthy choice to speak at their commencement ceremony.
Wow. If he is that stupid, no wonder he fell for Mormonism.
BTW, his statements are direct parroting of Mormon teaching which shows THEY have no idea of what the DSS are.
I recognized right off that he was confusing Nag Hammadi with the DSS. That does not change the fact that it shows just how ignorant the LDS are when it comes to such things and that he is parroting LDS doctrine without having done research.
BTW, I first semester Bible student can tell you the difference between the NG and DSS, even at Liberty University.
Thus, they are fighting a Holy War with someone who is simply warning people of the wolves in sheeps clothing WHILE HE IS ALSO ADVISING THEM TO TURN TO GOD TO PREPARE FOR THE DARK TIMES AHEAD.
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And soon he will be advising the to turn to Mormonism.
This faux pas shows that he doesn’t research things well and just parrots (at least religiously) Mormonism and therefore cannot be trusted.
Like somehow THIS is something 99.9999% of people would honestly give a riff about someone getting wrong.
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Then count us in the .0001%.
If you are attempting to speak on something, at least know basic facts. And this is a basic fact in Church history/Biblical Studies.
First week, freshman course. I know, I taught it.
those scrolls do confirm that our Bible translations, especially the King James, was right on the money.
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Well...you are half right.
His point is valid...these were scrolls that were perseved becayse people BELIEVED them to be true....where is the problem.
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His point is not only factually incorrect, but it is a recitation of LDS doctrine that specifically is designed and used to trash the Bible and make it unreliable (as well as promote the idea of a ‘universal apostasy’) so therefore there is a ‘need’ for the Book of Mormon and Mormonism.
IOW, it is spreading Mormon propaganda.
So Glenn B. in this instance grabbed a bunch of liberal pro-Gnostic Christian-despising academic distortion of history and misapplied it to the Dead Sea Scrolls.
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Not even that, he just stated what he has been told in his Mormon church. I’m serious, his statement is almost verbatim of what I was taught when I was Mormon.
Soros is financing an intensive, microscopic investigation of Reagan,
Oh I doubt if Ronnie Reagan is very much concerned...
The gnostic “gospel” of Thomas was not newly discovered per se, this was a more complete form of that writing.
Disagree on Beck saying they were the truth, what he did say was it was up to the individual to discover for themselves whether they were true or untrue.
His larger point was that in earlier times the religious hid their “sacred’ writings to protect them, which led to the whole bit about storing them in jars etc.
Which is an observable fact, when Saddam’s Iraq fell, there was handwringing over the antiquities that were “lost” when in fact the curators of the Mesopotamian Museums simply locked them in sub basement vaults and then flooded the basement with raw sewage in order to keep them safe from looters either public or governmental..
Nothing against you Glenn but, your “little” history lesson is just plain wrong.
Those clay pot scriptures were written a couple thousand years before the Council Nicea.
When one yaps every day for hours on end, he is bound to stick his foot in his mouth multiple times.
Yet, he alone on cable will open his mouth to expose Zero. How does anyone expect Glen to know everything. I have nothing bad to say for the man. Which reminds me of that Hemingway or TR quote that speaks of the observant fan always critical of the man actually doing the fighting.
a lot of people disagree with me, but after doing study on bible translations, the King James is the only one that I found to be an accurate one. The rest of them are flawed.
Have you known Mormons? I have.
I know he’s a Mormon, but he talks more like a Christian than a Mormon (except for the prepper stuff, but everyone should heed that advice).
His point was still valid, dictators try to erase the past. He tried to refer to some ancient texts as an example and referred to the wrong texts.
But the point is still valid. And to prove it, just look at how the Leftists try to “rewrite” history while “documenting” it even while it is occurring.
You might apply your own advice to threads like this: you are free to skip the thread if you don't like what is being said.
In your worldview, doesn't a person have the right to criticize something? I only listen to Glenn Beck on my commute to work. I just happened to catch this discussion. I was shocked at the ignorance that Beck displayed on this topic. Don't you want to know that what you heard was wrong? Why shoot the messenger? It was Beck who was wrong and violated his responsibility to his listeners by stating incorrect facts.
How does anyone expect Glen to know everything.
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I expect him to have basic knowledge before he spouts off. If he couldn’t be bothered to do basic research on this, and instead spout LDS propaganda, how can we trust him not to do that with other things?
That is your choice. After having advanced degrees in Biblical Studies and Church History, as well as several years of both Hebrew and Greek, I have found the KJV to be one of the LEAST accurate translations.
Although, I do love it for memorization, it is very poetic.
Have you known Mormons? I have.
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See my tagline. I guarantee I know more Mormons (and ex Mormons) than you do.
And he talks like a Mormon not a Christian.
For the record, a good part of why I left Mormonism was THEIR incessant revision and rewriting of history.
His point is wrong and not even his own, it is LDS propaganda that is designed to tear down trust in the Bible and build a case for their ‘restoration’.
Ping to post 64. Facepalm.
There is a lot of that going around...
There is a lot of that going around...
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More than normal. Something to do with the lunar cycle perhaps?
He is not a moron he is a mormon.
And we have it, lds before anything else.
But the point is still valid. And to prove it, just look at how the Leftists try to rewrite history while documenting it even while it is occurring.
Funny you should mention something like that....
"Procedures, programs, and policies are developed within the Church to help us realize gospel blessings according to our individual capacity and circumstances. Under divine direction, these policies, programs, and procedures may be changed from time to time as necessary to fulfill gospel purposes.
blatantly ignorant from Beck, not all together surprising since he lacks discernment
The printing press predates Gutenberg a lot!
What HE did was to make the single letter movable type available so that the engraving of a whole wooden plate would no longer have to be done. The ability to quickly grab a handfull of type and arrange them to form words was an incredible speed increase to get ideas from mind to paper.
I like that ENSHRINING!
Here is a STATUE in TEmple Square, lambasting Christianity!
In what way?
Party ownership of the print media
made it easy to manipulate public opinion,
and the film and radio carried the process further.
The Ministry of Truth, Winston's place of work, contained, it was said, three thousand rooms above ground level, and corresponding ramifications below.
The Ministry of Truth concerned itself with Lies. Party ownership of the print media made it easy to manipulate public opinion, and the film and radio carried the process further.
The primary job of the Ministry of Truth was to supply the citizens of Oceania with newspapers, films, textbooks, telescreen programmes, plays, novels - with every conceivable kind of information, instruction, or entertainment, from a statue to a slogan, from a lyric poem to a biological treatise, and from a child's spelling-book to a Newspeak dictionary.
Winston worked in the RECORDS DEPARTMENT (a single branch of the Ministry of Truth) editing and writing for The Times. He dictated into a machine called a speakwrite. Winston would receive articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to alter, or, in Newspeak, rectify. If, for example, the Ministry of Plenty forecast a surplus, and in reality the result was grossly less, Winston's job was to change previous versions so the old version would agree with the new one. This process of continuous alteration was applied not only to newspapers, but to books, periodicals, pamphlets, posters, leaflets, films, sound-tracks, cartoons, photographs - to every kind of literature or documentation which might conceivably hold any political or ideological significance.
When his day's work started, Winston pulled the speakwrite towards him, blew the dust from its mouthpiece, and put on his spectacles. He dialed 'back numbers' on the telescreen and called for the appropriate issues of The Times, which slid out of the pneumatic tube after only a few minutes' delay. The messages he had received referred to articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to rectify.
In the walls of the cubicle there were three orifices. To the right of the speakwrite, a small pneumatic tube for written messages; to the left, a larger one for newspapers; and on the side wall, within easy reach of Winston's arm, a large oblong slit protected by a wire grating. This last was for the disposal of waste paper. Similar slits existed in thousands or tens of thousands throughout the building, not only in every room but at short intervals in every corridor. For some reason they were nicknamed memory holes. When one knew that any document was due for destruction, or even when one saw a scrap of waste paper lying about, it was an automatic action to lift the flap of the nearest memory hole and drop it in, whereupon it would be whirled away on a current of warm air to the enormous furnaces which were hidden somewhere in the recesses of the building.
As soon as Winston had dealt with each of the messages, he clipped his speakwritten corrections to the appropriate copy of The Times and pushed them into the pneumatic tube. Then, with a movement which was as nearly as possible unconscious, he crumpled up the original message and any notes that he himself had made, and dropped them into the memory hole to be devoured by the flames.
What happened in the unseen labyrinth to which the tubes led, he did not know in detail, but he did know in general terms. As soon as all the corrections which happened to be necessary in any particular number of The Times had been assembled and collated, that number would be reprinted, the original copy destroyed, and the corrected copy placed on the files in its stead.
In the cubicle next to him the little woman with sandy hair toiled day in day out, simply at tracking down and deleting from the Press the names of people who had been vaporized and were therefore considered never to have existed. And this hall, with its fifty workers or thereabouts, was only one-sub-section, a single cell, as it were, in the huge complexity of the Records Department. Beyond, above, below, were other swarms of workers engaged in an unimaginable multitude of jobs.
There were huge printing-shops and their sub editors, their typography experts, and their elaborately equipped studios for the faking of photographs. There was the tele-programmes section with its engineers, its producers and its teams of actors specially chosen for their skill in imitating voices; clerks whose job was simply to draw up lists of books and periodicals which were due for recall; vast repositories where the corrected documents were stored; and the hidden furnaces where the original copies were destroyed.
And somewhere or other, quite anonymous, there were the directing brains who co-ordinated the whole effort and laid down the lines of policy which made it necessary that this fragment of the past should be preserved, that one falsified, and the other rubbed out of existence.
I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the otherThis is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)and which I should join.
19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.
20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, Never mind, all is wellI am well enough off. I then said to my mother,
Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses, 18:172).President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses, 10:127).James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196).
Rush on down to the MORMON bookstore and get yer McConkie book before they are all sold out!
Which god? LDS believe in several.
...of course he isn’t, but it is the Alinsky tactic of distraction.
Which god? LDS believe in several.
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“Pick a god, any god...”
And don’t forget some are lesser gods (like Jesus).
So because of your experience with Mormonism, his point about rewriting history is wrong?
Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.
And he sounds much more like a Christian than the Mormons I have known and spoken with about their faith and Christianity.
Jesus is the only God I’ve heard him mention.
LDS believe they can work to be god.
They believe god was once man.
They do not believe in the Jesus of the Bible.
They do not believe in the Trinity.
They believe that Jesus and satan are brothers.
Again I ask when Beck talks about God what/which god?
In bearing testimony of Jesus Christ, President Hinckley spoke of those outside the Church who say Latter-day Saints 'do not believe in the traditional Christ.' 'No, I don't. The traditional Christ of whom they speak is not the Christ of whom I speak. For the Christ of whom I speak has been revealed in this the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times. He together with His Father, appeared to the boy Joseph Smith in the year 1820, and when Joseph left the grove that day, he knew more of the nature of God than all the learned ministers of the gospel of the ages.'" (LDS Church News Week ending June 20, 1998, p. 7).
Jesus is a creation, the product of relations between god and his goddess wife who used to be people from another world (McConkie, Bruce, Mormon Doctrine, p. 192, 321, 516, 589).
Jesus is the literal spirit brother of the devil and of you and I (McConkie, p. 192, 589).
God has a body of flesh and bones (Doctrine & Covenants 130:22) as does his wife and together they produce spirit offspring in heaven who inhabit human bodies on earth.
President Hinkley, the prophet and revelator of the Mormon church, has publicly declared that the Jesus of Mormonism and traditional Christianity are not the same.
I'd venture to guess that maybe 10% know what the Essene's the DSS's or Qomran even are? Go, away shame on you!
So because of your experience with Mormonism, his point about rewriting history is wrong
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No, because of my profession as a historian (Church History) and my BA in Biblical studies, I know his facts are wrong.
Because of my history with Mormonism, I know his ‘facts’ are typical LDS propaganda.
And his point about re-writing history is very ironic since the LDS church rewrites history worse and more often than actual historians do.
If you are going to make a point, make sure your facts are correct. Historiography 101.
The fact that you think beck SOUNDS like a Christian, supports my view that he is not to be trusted. He is a TBM (True Blue or totally brainwashed Mormon), so if he is intentionally sounding NOT LDS but Christian, then he is intentionally misleading his audience, either that or he really is stupid since he doesn’t know what his own church believes or didn’t bother to research it.
Jesus is the only God Ive heard him mention.
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Ah, the ‘lesser god’.
Let me get this straight, the only sane voice crying in the post modern wilderness of cable news wasteland doesn’t know everything! Wow, how novel, a talking head that can’t flawlessly opin over a sole issue of religion.
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a) he isn’t the ONLY voice, that is more beck head propaganda
b) He should know basic facts rather than spout the anti-Christian propaganda of his so-called church.
c) More than 10% of the people know what the DSS and NG are. If not they should, and he has a DUTY as a ‘talking’ head to get his facts straight.
d) It shows he doesn’t do his research. If he is THIS sloppy with something so easy to find out, how sloppy is he on other things? Yet people believe everything (or nearly so) that he says. Talk about sheeple.
e) I’ll stick around, thanks, to fight the blind following of a arrogant talk show host who is working on becoming a god of his own planet someday.
Don't bother to listen to beck because he plays facts loosy-goosy. Rush prides himself on being as near to 100% factually correct as possible - provides more credability when he makes a statement. If Beck can't take the time to tell the difference in these items, how can his other statements be considered seriously?
And if Rush is wrong he corrects his mistakes.
How long does it take just to ping WIKI to see if you are even CLOSE to being right?
That is correct, but then he also puts a lot of time into show prep - he doesn’t show up cold.
or even google?
I used to listen to Beck but some time back he began to change. I wonder who does his research/show prep.
I am even more baffled by the rabid support he gets, if you question him - whooa watch out.
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