Posted on 05/22/2010 3:04:18 PM PDT by TwoLegsGood
New Apostolic Reformation
Jan Markell of Olive Tree Ministries did a one hour program on the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) with guest Mike Oppenheimer of Let Us Reason Ministries on Saturday, May 15, on her Understanding the Times radio program (which is one of my favorite radio programs). It covers pertinent information as it relates to the New Apostolic Reformation and C. Peter Wagner’s International Coalition of Apostles. You can listen to it by clicking here.
Ingrid Schlueter of the Crosstalk America radio program did a program on May 3rd with guest Sarah Leslie of Discernment-Ministries, Inc., which covered the same topic. You can listen to that by clicking here.
Both programs will inform and educate you on the key players of the NAR, as well as the dangerous doctrines they teach.
Schlueter notes that the recent Tea Party May Day event was infected by these heretics and notes, with alarm, at their "communist cell" hierarchy under C Peter Wagner's ponzi scheme of the worldwide New Apostles/New Apostolic network.
May Day Prayers with the Tea Partiers article here: http://herescope.blogspot.com/2010/04/may-day-prayers.html
This ain't your old time Bible study, folks.
This is worldwide dominion for "Christ" -- even though the Jesus of the Bible said "My kingdom is not of this world"
May Day Prayers with the Tea Partiers article here:
http://herescope.blogspot.com/2010/04/may-day-prayers.html
Hey, even The 700 Club has these NAR folks on their show; and of course TBN is littered with their NAR tainted Prosperity Gospel.
But the NAR is beyond "Kingdom Now" beyond Prosperity Gospel beyond "Name it and Claim it" types of known aberrant Christian teachings.
Actually, these power hungry folks have an international goal to take governments and nations and institutions all for Christ.
Still doesn't sound that bad, does it?
Well, get your Bible reading glasses on. There is going to be a worldwide group of people who believe in taking the whole world and her wealth and her economies and her governments for "God".
It says so right there in the Bible.
Unfortunately, this group will be working for the counterfeit Christ, the antiChrist. This is the same group who do not understand that when Jesus said "I will have to shorten the time for the sake of the elect" and "When the Son of Man returns to the earth, will He still find faith?" -- Jesus meant it.
The NAR are setting up grassroot organizations for a delusory "Christ" of their own ego vanity -- and Tea Party types need to take heed.
As Christians, we have authority by our personal overcoming of sin, we are not to take power with the literal sword. The NAR gets that all reversed, too. They are dangerous.
http://67.36.84.226/crosstalk2/ct100503.mp3
http://olivetreeradio.com/OTM2010_05_15B.mp3
mp3 cut and paste into your iTunes bar
One more addition to the “doctrine of demons” which will dominate the landscape in the last days before Christ’s return.
Whom is the Earthly authority for determining what Religious groups are acceptable Christian organizations?
If I understand this correctly, this is the international groundwork being laid for all religious faiths. The key is to believe in the existence of the supernatural, not the Christ of the Bible. Thus, the Rick Warren connection.
According to the “new Apostles” of the NAR, THEY are on par with the 12 Apostles in authority, so if you ask them, it’s them.
If you are asking me about earthly authority, I’d stick with the writings of the original 12 Apostles,
adding those of the Old Testament Prophets, with Christ as chief cornerstone of how the church should be built on earth.
The Word is alive, the Word is God made Flesh, so it is our earthly authority...
It's going to look very good to many who don't know Christ as Savior and will ensnare them in to believing lies which will keep them away from Christ.
But then, that is Satan's purpose.
Yes, and scary how much better the Enemy knows the Word and how to twist it than most of us.
There is no earthly authority that is infallible (yes, Roman Catholics will take issue with this statement). Read a good translation of the Bible (the ESV, for example).
Church history and tradition are helpful, but not infallible. (Roman Catholics would disagree again.)
I think that I’m with you on this. I’ll ignore both the NAR and those who declare them to be heretics.
However much I would love to ignore them, we all need to be Bereans, because of how many times the Lord warns us against deception in the End Days...
According to the “new Apostles” of the NAR, THEY are on par with the 12 Apostles in authority
Higher, is my understanding.
A regional church (in the big city .5 hour down the road) run by one of C. Peter's gaggle of soi-disant apostles (this guy's, IIRC, "honorary apostle for life") is opening a branch church in our little city, just down the street from us, in a building vacated by an aging and dwindling PCUSA congregation. I'm just...."thrilled". (not.)
Lee the best way to deal with the NAR is the internet.
They do not know how to defend themselves or give an answer for their heresy online when they are not in control of the conversation.
Like many in the Dem party, the internet throws them for a loop.
Open discussion of their beliefs, demonic practices and prophetic utterances online is a nightmare to them... because they stand on such shaky ground.
However, beware that they do have a limited supernatural power. Not to fear them, but they do tap into what the Bible calls “familiar spirits” that gives their ‘prophets’ some personal truth into a person’s life but either flatters that person into vanity or uses this “information” on them to discredit and destroy. God never shames or falsely flatters people. We are called to test all the spirits and the best way to test them it to take their teachings to the Word of God.
The NAR really need to be seen as those Chinese Government Churches in China: not the real thing, and dangerous.
The other way you know they are not Christian is that they rarely if ever deal with the issue of sin and forgiveness. It either is pretending the sin isn’t so bad (Todd Bentley, Ted Haggard, Paul Cain) or condemning people for it to a wicked outcome.
Really, dealing with them as if they are part of the Communist Chinese Church system is the best way to look at them.
Mounting an internet campaign by researching this new pastor, who his “mentor” is above him in the NAR movement, whom he pays tithes to
(yes, all churches in the NAR pay tithes to the churches over them. It is a Ponzi scheme economically for pastors who should rely on voluntary donations from the flock they supposedly feed.)
researching this church might be your best tool. I’d also pray about ministering to the people there the true word without considering that it is a place for you to get “fed” at all. It’s a mind destroying cult, not Christ.
Lee the best way to deal with the NAR is the internet.
The Internet is insanely helpful, if you're able to filter out the crap.
I know a bit about these people. My wife was involved in that church for a while, back in the '90s. Baaaaaad time. She tells me tales sometimes.
I hold that the best way to be prepared to deal with the bad is to be as well versed in the good as possible. If all you've drilled on is pat answers for the Arians when they show up at your door, how will you deal with the polytheists?
Open discussion of their beliefs, demonic practices and prophetic utterances online is a nightmare to them... because they stand on such shaky ground.
We've seen some of that right here on Freerepublic.
Mounting an internet campaign by researching this new pastor, who his “mentor” is above him in the NAR movement, whom he pays tithes to
I suspect this guy is comparatively high on the food chain. He's an old guy, been in "the business" a while, and he's on the apostles list. And, per the wife, doesn't believe in original sin.
researching this church might be your best tool.
Not a whole lot to go on, vis a vis Internet resources.
I'm actually not going to worry greatly about it now. All there is right now is a church sign "Future Home of .....". It may never gel at all.
Here's some more recent audio: "VFTB 048: Sarah Leslie — False Christs and False Prophets ".
Ping for later
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