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Preying on the faithful: Though Mormons often victims, LDS Church skips fraud-prevention event
Salt Lake Tribune ^ | May 2, 2010 | Tom Harvey

Posted on 05/02/2010 5:39:16 PM PDT by Colofornian

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To: restornu
the motto has always been “Teach them correct principles and let them govern themselves!”

Oh, yeah!

That's worked out well!


I'm still waiting for some MORMON to 'teach' me just what Joseph Smith alledgedly learned to be UN TRUE about PRESBYTERIANism of hbis day.

41 posted on 05/03/2010 4:39:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu

I think you were SUPPOSED to get a DIFFERENT reaction!


42 posted on 05/03/2010 4:41:27 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BlueMoose
How many poor financial judgments would have been avoided had we listened to the years of advice given through our prophets about avoiding risky speculation and following a careful budget to avoid consumer debt?

WHAT???

Are you ADMITing that many MORMONs do NOT 'follow the Prophet'???


SCANDOLOUS!


 

In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.


1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.

I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.

Ezra Taft Benson

(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)

 


 

43 posted on 05/03/2010 4:43:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
(Sounds to be like if these Mormon victims of these many Mormon financial scams had actually "judged others" -- "judging" as in properly discerning them -- they could have saved themselves $ & heartache)

Sounds to ME that the "pray to GOD about it's TRUTHFULLNESS" thingy only applies to the BoM!!

Why would GOD let His faithful followers be DUPED that way???

44 posted on 05/03/2010 4:45:27 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: BlueMoose
The elderly and others are victims of scam artists, often resulting in the loss of homes or life savings.

"Lay up your treasures in Heaven; where neither..."

45 posted on 05/03/2010 4:46:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: PoolQue

Malachi 3:10 “Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.”
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Into the storehouse...

Not into the mormon corporaqtion bank...

Mormons write their ttithe checks to “The Corporation of the president of etc” Does that sound like a “church” to you ???

Storehouse as in feeding the hungry and poor and needy with ALL the money...

However the mormons only spend about 1% of the MILLIONS taken in every day and only on their own tithing mormo n members, and instead spend $4 BILLION building a mall and multi millions more on apartment buildings, restorts in Hawaii and 100s of idiot “temples”, and buying banks, insurance companies and real estate

Members have to pay 10% of their gross income to go to the “temple”...

Plus the top CEOs of the mormon corporation live like kings..

How much does your church charge you to go to the services ???


46 posted on 05/03/2010 5:00:44 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Elsie

How many poor financial judgments would have been avoided had we listened to the years of advice given through our prophets about avoiding risky speculation and following a careful budget to avoid consumer debt?
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Perhaps the mormons lost their money because they had “listened to the years of advice given through our prophets”

Lots of them lost their life savings because they listened to Joey Smith and invested in his bank scam and home printed $3 bills...

BTW Why does the Mormon Church still teach that Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God after he made a false prophecy about a temple being built in Missouri in his generation (Doctrine and Covenants 84:1-5)?


47 posted on 05/03/2010 5:07:14 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: restornu; svcw

These blessing come in various forms not always monetary.
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Probably the croofed money grabbing mormon god claims that...

But the God of the Christian Bible says and does differently...

He always gives an honest return for an investment...

Ya not too prosperous are ya Resty ???

“various forms “

Hows yer health, Resty ???


48 posted on 05/03/2010 5:14:08 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: restornu; svcw

These blessing come in various forms not always monetary.
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Then how dare the mormon god de3mand money for his sacrifice ???

Just give a button or an old holey sock...

If the mormon god doesnt give back money just pay him in what ever commodity he does give...

Now think...

What was it that the mormon god gave you lasdt time ???

Fleas ??? Hives ??? A bad cold ??? A run in your hise ???

A flat tire ??? Burnt toast ???

See how easy it is ???


49 posted on 05/03/2010 5:19:27 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: svcw
Forgot to mention that there are two strong strains of beliefs about Santa Claus among Scandinavian-American traditionalists. FIrst, there's the crowd who are AGAINST Santa Claus, or even Christmas. They don't even celebrate Christmas. You'll find Scandinavian Lutheran congregations all through the Midwest who still hold to this standard.

Then there's the "other crowd" who founded Santa Claus IN, Christmas Valley, OR, Christmas, FL, and so on. They take a different position on the matter and might even be said to "worship" Santa Claus (Little Red Man), Reindeer (Reindeer Man), and Herb Woman (a whole lotta' other stuff including three household goddesses ~ e.g. Saravasti).

What we call "faith healing" cuts through the different beliefs about Santa Claus so you find that happening all over the place ~ which is why they end up with a very high infant mortality rate.

Enough state prosecutors have been successful at busting these guys for not taking their kids to the doctors as needed that they have been changing their church's names!

It's the peyote eating bunch (a subset of the COTFB) who are most disturbing. They managed to affiliate themselves with the American Indian Religion (as they call it) to gain access to peyote. FLDS also built their Texas temple right smack dab in the world's most prolific peyote fields ~ not that they ever use the stuff, but check the teeth. Peyote use, like crystal meth, Cipro and some peridontal gum diseases will loosen your teeth!

50 posted on 05/03/2010 5:38:13 AM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: svcw
Buddy of mine in the Army had just signed up with the Mormons while overseas. He hadn't gotten through all the initial training, etc., and he was approached by someone one who claimed a lot of authority in the church and he wanted to sell him an insurance policy.

The purpose was to insure that he could "make the tithe" in case he were ever unemployed.

At the same time my friend already knew enough about tithing to view that, in and of itself, as a sort of church based social insurance.

He didn't say, but I think he backed off that insurance policy, but as a "newbie" he was literally a sheep to be sheered by someone ~ so new recruits to the Mormons, or any other apostolic organization really ought to be very careful.

This stuff is not limited to the Mormons!

51 posted on 05/03/2010 5:42:52 AM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: restornu

Resty, “blessings” doesn’t mean cash. God is nether Santa Claus or an ATM machine.


52 posted on 05/03/2010 6:03:59 AM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: Colofornian; BlueMoose

Developing Good Judgment and Not Judging Others

(Sounds to be like if these Mormon victims of these many Mormon financial scams had actually “judged others” —

“judging” as in properly discerning them — they could have saved themselves $ & heartache)

***

You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink!

People, like horses, will only do what they have a mind to do.

____

N Nephi 15

23 And they said unto me: What meaneth the rod of iron which our father saw, that led to the tree?

24 And I said unto them that it was the word of God; and whoso would hearken unto the word of God, and would hold fast unto it, they would never perish; neither could the temptations and the fiery darts of the adversary overpower them unto blindness, to lead them away to destruction.


53 posted on 05/03/2010 6:04:13 AM PDT by restornu
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To: muawiyah
Your other post strange but interesting. Tithing is unemployed.........that is really weird. Unemployed, no money tithing based on first fruits..........how ridicules is this, insurance policy so tithing can go on.
54 posted on 05/03/2010 6:08:43 AM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: ansel12

They avoid revealing truths such as you can become a god of your own planet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYv6H7ek14Y


55 posted on 05/03/2010 6:12:52 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (?)
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To: svcw
It was a scam being run by a con man who had obviously found it successful in the past. Over the years I've learned that con men are fundamentally immoral and sociopathic.

There are enough people who will believe anything that some can make a living on just that characteristic.

56 posted on 05/03/2010 6:13:11 AM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: muawiyah

I think the old adage it true however, “you can’t cheat an honest man”.


57 posted on 05/03/2010 6:14:58 AM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: svcw
The adage is false. You can, in fact, cheat an honest man.

One variety of con is called the "pigeon drop" and that plays on human greed. However, the "pigeon drop" is not the ONLY con.

You can make as much money playing on a man's concern for the safety and welfare of his children and family. That is, you can rip him off by tricking into believing he is being altruistic.

That's what the phony insurance business is about.

The fellow telling folks "you can make the tithe even if unemployed" was preying on "newbies" ~ folks who'd only had enough information about tithing standards and customs to be dangerous to themselves.

58 posted on 05/03/2010 6:19:48 AM PDT by muawiyah ("Git Out The Way")
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To: muawiyah

Watch the video in post 55, it really explains why LDS are so easily taken in by pyramid scams.


59 posted on 05/03/2010 6:21:02 AM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: Elsie

An Amway church????? Now I have heard of everything!


60 posted on 05/03/2010 6:21:36 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (?)
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