Posted on 04/17/2010 11:26:06 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
It’s not my job to forgive anyone except those who harm me personally. Forgiving those who harm me personally is my job. Forgiving others is God’s job. It’s offensive to think that I should around forgiving people I don’t even know or who have not harmed me personally.
Second, forgiveness of God is dependent on whether people are repentent or not. God does not forgive people who sin who are not truly repentent and continue on their merry way.
And just because all kinds of sin exist in the world does not mean some are not more egregious than others. I just have no clue where people get this erroneous idea. There is no homosexual act which is not an offense against nature. Homosexual acts used to be legally called “crimes against nature”. Sexual acts between a man and a woman may be sin if illicit, or may not be, if between a husband and wife and allowing the potentiality of life.
So you cannot compare the two. Of course, promsicuity, adultery, and the long list of even worse sexual sins is there. But to be an unrepentent proud homosexual is helping not only to degrade the general culture, but acts to influence young people. As does the other degraded lifestyles of all the “stars” both Hollywood, music and sports. USed to be that young people were encouraged to read biographies and look up to heroes and heroines who used their lives well for the benefit of humanity. Now they look up to those who are famous for their weath, thuggery, illicit sex and so-called beauty which is not only ephemeral as the mist in the morning, but a product of chemicals, surgeons and photoshop.
I don’t know at this point whether Jennifer Knapp is a “proud, unrepentant” homosexual. I do know that there is no Biblical basis for believing that homosexuality is worse than other sins. I can think of a myriad of sins which seem worse to me than non-promiscuous lesbian homosexuality, but I am not “forgiving” Jennifer any more than I am condemning her. I do know that based on the scripture, I am in danger if I condemn anyone. I am disturbed that so many on FR are happy to bash homosexuals, while winking and laughing at heterosexual sin. I find nothing in the Bible which condemns “sin against nature.” In fact, that sounds like a concept rooted in atheistic evolutionary thinking. Christians are required to manifest only two things, which are love of God, and love of our neighbors. Jesus said his followers would be known not that they had pure doctrine, but that they loved one another.
Beautiful. Very well put!
Love your neighbor does not mean condoning or minimizing sinful behavior, especially that which harms others.
It’s obvious she’s unrepetnent and proud. Just read what she wrote about herself, it’s clear as glass.
I don’t know what the heck you mean by “bashing” homsoexuals, but I help run the Homosexual Agenda ping list and I critize homosexual behavior and the agenda as much as I can because it harms people, families and the social fabric. So does abortion, so does promiscuity, so does the huge increase in illegitimate and fatherless children, etc.
The Bible may not use the phrase “crime against nature” but it’s also crystal clear from all scriptures including those of other religions, as well as biology, common sense, and news articles, that homosexuality is indeed a crime against nature.
Ever heard of Tough Love? Love the sinner but not the sin? We are not supposed to give up our God given discrimination and send of judgement. Everyone makes choices every day - what to listen to, how to spend money, what to say and not to say, what to read and what not to read, who to look up to or associate with, who not to, etc etc. We use our judgement, based on wisdom and intelligence, to make those choices. Love for God and all of God’s creatures doesn’t mean giving up our intelligent discrimination and use of judgement.
I think there is an obsession with homosexuality here on FR. Predatory, promiscuous male homosexuals are a threat, but so are predatory, promiscuous heterosexuals, who get a pass from many FReepers. Monogamous lesbians are another thing altogether. Lesbians tend to be much less promiscuous than male gays.
No one is ever going to convince me that homosexuality can compete with heterosexuality, no matter how much gays may seek to "recruit" among the young. "Nature" and instinct will always favor the latter. What is really the threat to the family and to human society is the hedonistic, selfish, totally unChristian lifestyle which is found both in the gay and hetero communities today. The only legitimate form of sexuality, both in terms of biology and Christian ethics, is that within faithful, monogamous, heterosexual marriage. The real division which matters is between selfishness and self-sacrificing love. We are taught that the proper love between man and woman is like that of Christ for the church. Are you as disturbed at how few heterosexuals live that way as you are about homosexuality?
I don't give a bleep what other "religions" think about "crimes against nature," let alone what the world's people think. Christianity is not another "religion"; it is obedience to and imitation of the Lord Jesus.
I would disagree with that. Homosexuality was consider "abomination". In practical terms, homosexuality is "inherently" more destructive than is adultery.
In addition to injuring relationships, homosexuality also comes with tremendous biological and psychological injury, and it is a rejection of natural order.
Abominations caused great pain and/or great injury.
I place my faith in the holy scriptures. Where does it say that homosexuality is inherently more sinful than adultery? Why do the 10 Commandments specifically condemn adultery, while making no mention of homosexuality? How many gays are there, vs. the no. of hetero. adulterers? Marital cheating deeply wounds those who are cheated, both male and female. Divorce creates millions of confused and deeply disturbed children. I’ve known men who lived in poverty supporting children whom they were never allowed to see. Their suffering is beyond measure. Only about 1% of the population is homosexual, while something like 30% of children are born without an intact family. What is the greater “crime against nature?” What is harming society more?. Let’s get real here. I am not excusing homosexuality. I am trying to awaken people to the fact that the heterosexual hedonistic lifestyle is a far worse threat, affecting more people, yet many conservatives wink at the problem. The male homosexual lifestyle is also promiscuous, but quantitatively far less significant than the promiscuous and non-committed hetero lifestyle.
Of course I am extremely disturbed about all the evils that are not only induged in by so many today but activetly promoted, and indeed, forced down our throats constantly not only by the media but by government.
That is why I started the Moral Absolutes ping list a few years ago.
The homosexual agenda is extremely detrimental to society and is now backed up by law - kids in schools across the country (and in other countries such as the UK) are now actively recruited into the “gay life” starting from kindergarten. The “sex positive” agenda goes all the way from the homosexual agenda, to lowering (evenutally with the goal to elminate entirely) age of consent laws, teaching little children that all sexual acitivity is beneficial including teaching them to masturbate, and so on.
The entire agenda is evil, and the homosexual agenda is the lynchpin. I’m sorry you do not see this, and perhaps you should look into GLSEN and other recruitment efforts.
Also, I do care what the religions of the world say because they are all in agreement that sexuality is for committed monogamous marriage, and in the US although overwhelmingly - and nominally - Christian, there are also many members of other religions. I’d like to see people of all faiths band together to fight the evil of degradation of culture to protect the family and children from the onslaught of immorality and hedonism, of which the homosexual agenda is the engine in many ways.
Matthew 7:5 people...
Leviticus 20:13 YLT `And a man who lieth with a male as one lieth with a woman; abomination both of them have done; they are certainly put to death; their blood [is] on them.
It required a death penalty under the law, because the harm was so great.
It is continued in:
Romans 1: 24 Wherefore also God did give them up, in the desires of their hearts, to uncleanness, to dishonour their bodies among themselves; 25 who did change the truth of God into a falsehood, and did honour and serve the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed to the ages. Amen. 26 Because of this did God give them up to dishonourable affections, for even their females did change the natural use into that against nature; 27 and in like manner also the males having left the natural use of the female, did burn in their longing toward one another; males with males working shame, and the recompense of their error that was fit, in themselves receiving. 28 And, according as they did not approve of having God in knowledge, God gave them up to a disapproved mind, to do the things not seemly
Were David and Bathsheba put to death?
“Drunks are normal people, too, and they often deny that they have to change.”
A good comparison.
But drunks don’t seek access to culture to propagandize that their behavior is just another choice.
They don’t try to bludgeon those who see a problem with their behavior choices.
Again, I as a Christian do not give a bleep what Muslims or any other primitive cult believes about "crimes against nature." No so-called "religion" has a track record of caring about the innocent, or forgiving the sinner, the way Christianity does.
Perfectly put.
When I discuss moral absolutes as taught in all the religions of the world, I leave out Islam, just fyi.
I do agree that no one should “wink” at other sins, particularly sexual sins. But by normalizing homosexual and legalizing it - including legal protection, all other sexual sins are made “cleaner” by comparison. It is the vanguard to normalize all illiicit sex, including pedophilia and bestiality. Homosexuals are driven to change the world to suit them, and they are busy doing just that. It is not a fringe phenomenon, as you would see if you read even a fraction of the articles pinged out to the Homosexual Agenda pinglist. It is indeed not only gaining mass acceptance, but laws are being enacted, or judicial decisions, forcing people to hire, rent to, placate, listen to, learn about homosexuality in every form, from “Gay Pride” parades, homosexuals adopting and fostering children, clubs in schools and so on.
Books promoting homosexuality are read to children in public schools starting in the lowest grades - “Heather Has Two Mommies” - but I’ve never heard of books called “Mommy Works at the Strip Club” or “Boyfriend number 10 Watches Porn while Mommy Goes to the Welfare Office”. Of course those behaviors are destructive and evil. But so far those behaviors are not forced on us as normal and natural by law, yet.
Homosexuality is.
It would be like calling yourself a Christian and being a practicing adulterer,compulsive lair,etc.
Lots of people here on FR do excatly what you are talking about, and do much in their personal lives as well.
Drunks also don’t have non-drunks saying that all laws against drinking are discriminatory.
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