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Vatican Defends Decision Not to Defrock U.S. Priest
Reuters ^ | 3/25/10 | Philip Pullella

Posted on 03/25/2010 7:00:24 AM PDT by marshmallow

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To: Mr Rogers
Wow, yeah, Slate is certainly an objective source.

It's hilarious how trusting certain FReepers get of the secular left when they can join it in an attack on the Catholic church.

Don't you understand that you're next?

41 posted on 03/25/2010 8:30:36 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: MikeWUSAF
I suspect the police’s actions were driven by the implied lack of attention to the issue by the clergy.

WHAT? The police and the district attorney take their cue from what Catholic clergy do?

Please return to reality soon.

Are you so blinded by your faith that you cannot wrap your head around the fact that the Pope did not act to protect children who were being raped?

The Pope didn't even know about it until at least 22 years after the fact. Do you not understand that?

42 posted on 03/25/2010 8:32:51 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Campion
Wow, yeah, Slate is certainly an objective source. It's hilarious how trusting certain FReepers get of the secular left when they can join it in an attack on the Catholic church.

Don't you understand that you're next?

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Exactly right.

43 posted on 03/25/2010 8:32:57 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
The real news here has nothing to do with priests, homosexual perverts, Rembert the Vandal, or Pope Benedict.

Exactly, why would we talk about child rape? It's an icky topic...

They are a disgrace to this forum, and to whatever religious tradition/community/confession they represent.

No, we just hold integrity higher than blind faith in a flawed religious organization.
44 posted on 03/25/2010 8:33:29 AM PDT by TSgt (When the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: MikeWUSAF
The line between Michael Jackon and the Catholic church's bizarre behavior blurs more everyday.

LOL! You're descending into beyond hyperbole.

45 posted on 03/25/2010 8:33:40 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Campion

According to the future Pope, “Charges were to be investigated “in the most secretive way ... restrained by a perpetual silence ... and everyone ... is to observe the strictest secret which is commonly regarded as a secret of the Holy Office … under the penalty of excommunication.”

Here is a hint...homosexual rape, or homosexual activity with a youth (which is what most of the allegations involve) is NOT something to cover up, or to assign someone a bit of treatment and then move them on elsewhere.

Anyone who thinks so isn’t taking the Gospel seriously. Jesus said, “Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.” Double entendre intended.


46 posted on 03/25/2010 8:36:52 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: MikeWUSAF
I'm quite certain that you believe yourself to hold integrity. You say so yourself. Not being a mind-reader I cannot gainsay you.

HOWEVER: You show no evidence of it on this forum. Uncritical acceptance of the leftist media is the diametrical opposite of integrity.

47 posted on 03/25/2010 8:38:21 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Pyro7480; Campion; ArrogantBustard; marshmallow
While I appreciate the fact that the faces and names of sexual abuse victims are not published to protect them, I often wish they were so you could look them in the face and tell them it wasn't a big deal. It's not the church's fault. Sorry but shut-up. Maybe this will help.

48 posted on 03/25/2010 8:39:51 AM PDT by TSgt (When the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Pyro7480

Some folks seem to call that “integrity”.


49 posted on 03/25/2010 8:40:08 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Campion

What is appalling is that Christopher Hitchens can publish an article in Slate that is truer to the demands of the Gospel than the Pope & the defenders of the Catholic Church!


50 posted on 03/25/2010 8:40:31 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: MikeWUSAF
I often wish they were so you could look them in the face and tell them it wasn't a big deal. It's not the church's fault. Sorry but shut-up.

Uh, that's not what we're saying at all. You continue to twist our words and the facts. Don't ever message me again.

51 posted on 03/25/2010 8:41:06 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Mr Rogers
What is appalling is that Christopher Hitchens can publish an article in Slate that is truer to the demands of the Gospel than the Pope & the defenders of the Catholic Church!

It speaks volumes.
52 posted on 03/25/2010 8:42:03 AM PDT by TSgt (When the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: MikeWUSAF
Do you have a point, Fonzi?

Oh, yes: It's not the truth that matters, it's the seriousness of the charge. Your comment reminds me of Anita Hill.

53 posted on 03/25/2010 8:42:07 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: MikeWUSAF
This country today is loaded with released sex offenders relocated all over the country. They are a cause of concern by many. That's where the bigger problem is, not a 50 year old case.

It can be argued that the Church overall did a better job in consoling and reassigning its' miscreants than the public courts did.

But you can't sue the system, but you sure can sue the Church. No how is there equal justice.

54 posted on 03/25/2010 8:42:24 AM PDT by duckln
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To: ArrogantBustard
Your comment reminds me of Anita Hill.

Zing!

55 posted on 03/25/2010 8:43:10 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: duckln

Great point!


56 posted on 03/25/2010 8:43:34 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: duckln

Sorry, I forgot about that excuse.

But we’re not the worst molesters. Other groups molest more than we do.

Thanks for reminding me!


57 posted on 03/25/2010 8:43:45 AM PDT by TSgt (When the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: ArrogantBustard
It's not the truth that matters

So you are saying that children were NOT raped and that it was NOT covered up? Simple question. Yes or no?
58 posted on 03/25/2010 8:44:42 AM PDT by TSgt (When the government fears the people, there is liberty. - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Campion

“Don’t you understand that you’re next?”

If Slate has any evidence at all of sexual abuse by members of a church I’m a member of, I’m willing to be next.

Jimmy Swaggart was rightly thrown out of the Assemblies of God for less:

“On February 21, 1988, without giving any details regarding his transgressions, Swaggart gave his now infamous “I Have Sinned” speech as he tearfully spoke to his family, congregation and audience, saying, “I have sinned against you, my Lord, and I would ask that your precious blood would wash and cleanse every stain until it is in the seas of God’s forgiveness.”[3] On a New Orleans morning news show four days later, Murphree stated that while Swaggart was a regular customer, they had never engaged in sexual intercourse.[4] The clip of Swaggart’s confession was played repeatedly on news and tabloid television programs.

The Louisiana presbytery of the Assemblies of God initially suspended Jimmy Swaggart from the ministry for three months. The national presbytery of the Assemblies of God soon extended the suspension to their standard two-year suspension for sexual immorality. His return to the pulpit coincided with the end of a three-month suspension originally ordered by the Assemblies. Believing that Swaggart was not genuinely repentant in not submitting to their authority, the hierarchy of the Assemblies of God immediately defrocked Swaggart, removing his credentials and ministerial license. It was then that Swaggart decided he would be an independent, non-denominational Pentecostal minister and the Family Worship Center would become non-denominational.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Swaggart#1988_scandal_-_Swaggart.27s_confession_and_fallout


59 posted on 03/25/2010 8:45:09 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Mr Rogers

I am not sure if I posted it in this article or another but there is a good article on this case at Bishop Accountablity that gives a better timeline of the events.

Keep in mind the incidents were reported 20-30 years after they happened. Around 1974 the priest was told to discontinue public ministry (I forget if this was only that involving children).

In 1994 the Diocese of Milwaukee found out the priest was continuing public ministry outside of the Diocese. It was then that the letter was sent to the Vatican requesting the defrocking.

By that time no allegations had been made in over 20 years. The priest was very ill. The civil authorities had never brought any charges against the priest. They made this decision after conducting their own investigation.

Weakland could have recalled Murphy to the Diocese and restricted his activities at any time. The letter to the Vatican was CYA in response to criticism levied against Weakland and other Mil. bishops in their handling of the accusations.

We are talking about appx 40 years after the alleged abuse took place.


60 posted on 03/25/2010 8:46:33 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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