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Anglicans going to Rome are not "proper Catholics"
BBC ^ | February 6, 2010 | William Crawley

Posted on 02/07/2010 12:01:41 PM PST by NYer

The Archbishop of York, Dr John Sentamu, says those Anglicans who respond to Pope Benedict's invitation to join the Catholic Church under the provisions of the new Apostolic Constitution, would not be "proper Catholics". You can listen to the interview in full on this week's Sunday Sequence (Sunday, from 8.30am).

In the same interview, Dr Sentamu also called for the banning of the British National Party and says he is "surprised that Parliament doesn't want to do it." He also says he has "every hope" that [Robert] Mugabe will be gone very soon."

Here's part of the exchange I had with Dr Sentamu on this week's Sunday Sequence:

Archbishop Sentamu: "If people genuinely realise that they want to be Roman Catholic, they should convert properly, and go through catechesis and be made proper Catholics. This kind of creation [the Apostolic Constitution] -- well, all I can say is, we wish them every blessing and may the Lord encourage them. But as far as I am concerned, if I was really, genuinely wanting to convert, I wouldn't go into an Ordinariate. I would actually go into catechesis and become a truly converted Roman Catholic and be accepted."

William Crawley: "So those Anglicans who take advantage of the Apostolic Constitution, you're saying, would not be 'proper Catholics'?"

Archbishop Sentamu: "Well, I mean, I'd be very surprised --"

William Crawley: "What would they be if they are not 'proper Catholics'?"

Archbishop Sentamu: "They would be what they are: an Ordinariate of the Vatican."

William Crawley: "Anglican Émigrés?"

Archbishop Sentamu: "(Laughter) Well, if I was a Roman Catholic bishop and I had this group within my diocese being looked after by an Ordinariate whose reference was back to the Vatican, I'd have to ask a number of questions."

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: abominationtogod; anglican; catholic; churchofengland; fauxchristians; gaychurch; moapb; nonchristiancult; vatican
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1 posted on 02/07/2010 12:01:41 PM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...

Catholic / Anglican ping!


2 posted on 02/07/2010 12:02:17 PM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer

Well he’s a bit of a whiner isn’t he?


3 posted on 02/07/2010 12:08:06 PM PST by netmilsmom (I am Ilk)
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To: NYer

What does he know about being a proper Catholic that the Pope doesn’t?


4 posted on 02/07/2010 12:08:12 PM PST by Rodebrecht (No army can stop an idea whose time has come.)
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To: Rodebrecht

The Pope is trying to build bridges to Anglicans and other Christians - with the goal of creating unity, while the Bishop is trying to burn them down.


5 posted on 02/07/2010 12:13:13 PM PST by reg45
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To: NYer

The fable of the sour grapes comes to mind.


6 posted on 02/07/2010 12:19:01 PM PST by Huber (And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. - John 1:5)
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To: NYer

Hey, Sentamu, SHUT UP!


7 posted on 02/07/2010 12:41:57 PM PST by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: NYer

The UK Anglican churches are somewhat unsettled right now, because while they are the de jure center of Anglicanism, the de facto strength of Anglicanism is in Africa. In truth, the UK churches are very conscious of their weakness, and feeling a bit put upon.

That is, as the Pope extended his hand to them, it made them all too aware of their failings. For example, while about 22% (13.4m) of the people in the UK identify themselves as Anglicans, only about 1.7m (out of a population of 61m) of them are churchgoers. There are now more practicing Catholics in the UK than practicing Anglicans.


8 posted on 02/07/2010 12:47:09 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: NYer

When I saw the title, I figured it was something posted by one of our “friends” to start some junk.

I am, of course, relieved to find that it is an CofE bishop whining.


9 posted on 02/07/2010 1:00:57 PM PST by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: NYer

Interesting - it was the interviewer who introduced and repeated the phrase “proper Catholics.” Archbishop Sentamu did not use the phrase, and seemed quite hesitant to agree with it, even when pressed.

It’s almost as if the interview wrote the headline in advance and then was determined to elicit his intended words ... and then attributed his own words to the Archbishop when that didn’t work. What a trashy thing to do.


10 posted on 02/07/2010 1:04:57 PM PST by Tax-chick ("Contrary to what politicians expect us to do, let's stop and think. " ~Thomas Sowell, of course)
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I agree that the interviewer put words in His Grace's mouth. He went to the interview with a predetermination to cause trouble, and when Sentamu wouldn't give it to him, he made it up.

Here's the real problem: Sentamu is a Ugandan, from the Evangelical, low church wing of the Anglicans. He doesn't "get" Catholic issues because they are way out of his orbit. It would be like interviewing the Pope about some internal issue in the Church of Christ.

11 posted on 02/07/2010 1:53:58 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: NYer
....would not be "proper Catholics".

LOL, like 60% of the Catholic laity in this county.

12 posted on 02/07/2010 2:15:35 PM PST by the_daug
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To: NYer

**Anglicans going to Rome are not “proper Catholics” **

They will be after some adult catechesis and reception into the Church.


13 posted on 02/07/2010 2:17:27 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

Pretty common response.

My wife’s bishop is rumoured to be rather unhappy about this.


14 posted on 02/07/2010 2:49:27 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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Archbishop Sentamu: "If people genuinely realise that they want to be Roman Catholic, they should convert properly, and go through catechesis and be made proper Catholics. This kind of creation [the Apostolic Constitution] -- well, all I can say is, we wish them every blessing and may the Lord encourage them. But as far as I am concerned, if I was really, genuinely wanting to convert, I wouldn't go into an Ordinariate. I would actually go into catechesis and become a truly converted Roman Catholic and be accepted." ---------------------------------------------------------- I pretty much agree with the archbishop, this generation of converts are probably going to be a mixed and confused bunch,...ahhh but their children will grow up in the faith and be a much better lot. The best plan for the most long term effectiveness.There is something to be admired in the approach.
15 posted on 02/07/2010 3:19:31 PM PST by Sporaticus
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To: Sporaticus
We were Episcopalians who converted to Catholicism after the debacle at General Convention 2003.

The only Piskies who are interested in swimming the Tiber are the 'high churchers' - the low churchers and the Evangelicals are not coming. It would be a total waste of time for high churchers to go to your typical RCIA class, as they already subscribe to 99 and 94/100ths of Catholic doctrine, and in many cases are 'more Roman than Rome', especially since VCII.

In fact, that's the reason that more liberal Catholics are having ten fits about welcoming the Anglicans . . . because these guys are extremely orthodox and conservative and will not support guitar masses, ordination of women, liturgical dance, or fuzzy theology.

When we visited our parish for the first time, we met with the rector and he gave us a number of books to read. When we met with him again, it was plain that the only points on which we had any substantial difference were the validity of Anglican Orders and the supremacy of the Pope. That's true of most high churchers. So we evinced our readiness to adopt the Catholic view . . . I observed that 'by their fruits shall ye know them' and Anglican orders clearly had not worked out or protected that denomination from error, and that Papal supremacy prevented exactly the sort of nonsense that GC 2003 created . . . in other words, adult leadership is a good thing. As my husband said, "We can deal."

We did not go through RCIA and were received into the communion and confirmed by the rector, with the Sunday School director acting as our sponsor.

Besides, we would have annoyed the heck out of everybody else in RCIA talking about finer points of this and that and what the Church Fathers said, while they were learning stuff that we learned in Sunday School 30 years ago.

16 posted on 02/07/2010 3:50:49 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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I’ve read some pieces by the African Bishops in “First Things,” and when I asked sionnsar and Huber about them, they agreed that their experiences were so different that what Archbishop Akinola, for example, thought was “key” about being Anglican was not at all what our Traditional Anglicans would have chosen.

What do you think the author’s point was, here? Just general pot-stirring, down on the CofE, down on RC? Just a jerk?


17 posted on 02/07/2010 3:55:51 PM PST by Tax-chick ("Contrary to what politicians expect us to do, let's stop and think. " ~Thomas Sowell, of course)
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To: netmilsmom
Well he’s a bit of a whiner isn’t he?

Well he is a Pom.

18 posted on 02/07/2010 4:02:08 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (It is always tempting to impute unlikely virtues to the cute.)
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To: Tax-chick
A quick google reveals he is a reporter and presenter for BBC Northern Ireland. Educated in Belfast, theology degree, has a degree from Princeton (a Presbyterian institution although it had absolutely no effect on me) as well in philosophy. So the answer is yes, down on CofE, down on the Catholics especially. And given his oeuvre seems to thrive on stirring the pot.
19 posted on 02/07/2010 4:21:18 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother

That sounds like, “All of the above, and also you can kick him in the knee just on general principles.” One of the “intelligentsia” whom Thomas Sowell makes look like absolute cretins.


20 posted on 02/07/2010 4:23:48 PM PST by Tax-chick ("Contrary to what politicians expect us to do, let's stop and think. " ~Thomas Sowell, of course)
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