4,000 Anglican priests to join Catholics

Sunday Vision ^ | November 22, 2009 | Conan Businge

[Dajjal]

bumpus ad summum

[SevenofNine]

Here what UK Daily Mail dig up for Monday runs

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1230086/Catholics-set-task-force-huge-Anglican-exodus.html

[A.A. Cunningham]

Various other Catholic Rites do not bar ordained priests from marriage.

Incorrect. Married men may be ordained as Priests in 21 of the 22 Churches sui juris which comprise the Catholic Church. Once ordained a single Priest may not then marry and remain in ministry, in all 22 Churches.

Clergy from closely aligned denominations are permitted to join the Catholic Church as a married priest through special formation.

Married Anglican ministers who convert to the Latin Rite and seek ordination may be ordained under the 1980 Pastoral Provision, on a case by case basis. Other married protestant ministers who convert to the Latin Rite and seek ordination can be ordained under a dispensation from the discipline of celibacy. In both examples the caveat is that should their spouse precede them in death they will then adopt the disciplne of celibacy for the remainder of their life. No agreement, no ordination.

[A.A. Cunningham]

There is no difference. Anyone who suggests otherwise is a liar.

[BlackElk]

or 5) Allow Anglican and Episcopalian priests to enter the Church, married or not, and, after appropriate education in Catholicism and the Catholic priesthood, allow them to be ordained as has been the case for decades now. Bishops would revert to priests if married and need a new ordination as priest and consecration as bishop if not married.

[A.A. Cunningham]

Roman Catholics will accept eastern rite priest who are converting.

You're confused. An Eastern Rite Priest is a Catholic Priest. In order to change Rites within the Church one must receive permission from the Holy See. Priests, by and large, don't change Rites once they are ordained. An Eastern Rite Priest, or Latin Rite Priest, for that matter, may be bi-ritual meaning that he can celebrate Mass in accordance with two different Rites. Father Mitch Pacwa S.J. is one example.

[A.A. Cunningham]

In my RICA group was a married Methodist minister.

Who was converting to Catholicism. For him to be ordained as a Priest or Deacon is a whole different matter.

[A.A. Cunningham]

[SuziQ]

"The Anglican Communion is proof that people with differences can remain together."

Kind of an ironic statement coming from the Archbishop, considering the numbers of people beating it out the door of his churches, because of the changes he either instituted or hasn't argued against.

[Kolokotronis]

“Did you actually look at what was written, or just have your usual knee jerk reaction?”

No knee jerk reaction, just, I suppose, surprise at the deficiency of your seminary education. First you misstate the discipline of the entire Church on marriage after ordination and now you misstate the composition of The Church. Do you not understand that the Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox Churches are “Catholic Churches”? In fact, when we recite The Creed, we do so the way it was declared at the 1st and 2d Ecumenical Councils, which is to say without the later Western additions including the brand new one in the latest translation for use in English speaking countries. The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church is broader than the list you posted, v, as the Vatican has made quite clear. Its so broad that I can receive communion, so far as Rome is concerned, at one of your liturgies. Rome claims that the “fullness” of The Church is found in the group you listed but the rest of us disagree, an unfortunate result of Rome’s schism with the rest of the Patriarchates.

[verga]

Just so we are clear, Your writing skills leave much to be desired and your reading skills are completely lacking.

Did I say that the list was a complete one? No, I did not. In my original reply to your pitiful excuse for a response about Priests and marriage I listed several other rites that have a married clergy.

[verga]

That is exactly what I have been saying all along

[Kolokotronis]

“Did I say that the list was a complete one?”

What was your point in posting a partial list?

“In my original reply to your pitiful excuse for a response about Priests and marriage I listed several other rites that have a married clergy.”

Another partial list; to what end?

What seminary did you go to?

[getoffmylawn]

No it isn’t. Not even close.

[AceMineral]

The Methodist minister was converting to Catholicism. As I understood it he was eventually going to be a priest.

[Cronos]

Technically, the Oriental Church are Miaphysites, not Monophysite. I’m inclined to the understanding that they understand the nature of Christ in the same way we do, only word it differently.

[Cronos]

an unfortunate result of Rome’s schism with the rest of the Patriarchates.

Let's call a spade a spade, this was a schism between Rome and Constantinople.

In 1054 there was no patriarchate of Moscow or Romania or others, just the Patriarchs of Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem in that order of precedence. The patriarch of Alexandria was already Coptic (the fact is that the Patriarch of the Copts had far more adherents than the orthodox-catholic alternatives), while those of Antioch and Jerusalem were really light-weights ever since they had been over-run by the Islamic empire. The Bulgarian Church -- well, I'm not so certain, will need to find out, but they were in any case, under the thumb of the Tsars of Bulgaria and may have been neutral, jockeying for position -- I don't know about the EO of Georgia either.

The battle for political supremacy was always between Rome and Constantinople right from the batttle over iconoclasm, to the displutes in the Balkans, Sicily, Romania, Bulgaria etc. about jurisdiction.

The 1054 date of the schism dates from the mutual excommunications by the Patriarchs of Rome and Constantinople -- the other Patriarchs were not involved in that date

And the current EO patriarchates are really young in comparison -- like the Patriarchate of Russia (1589) or the Church in Greece (1850)

[verga]

“Did I say that the list was a complete one?” What was your point in posting a partial list?

Well I had only limited time and It only takes one example to disprove one universal positive statement, which yours appeared to be, but was later clarified by someone else.

“In my original reply to your pitiful excuse for a response about Priests and marriage I listed several other rites that have a married clergy.” Another partial list; to what end?

See above.

What seminary did you go to?

Christ the King Seminary in East Aurora, NY.

Which one have you gone to?

BTW When you quote and "re-quote" it is proper netiquette to seperate them from a response using the italics < I > and close italics < / I > and the Bolding < B > and Close bolding < / B > (Although with out spaces.)

[Kolokotronis]

“I’m inclined to the understanding that they understand the nature of Christ in the same way we do, only word it differently.”

I agree. Its exactly the reason why we can receive communion in their liturgies and they in ours. Is it the same for Latins?

[A.A. Cunningham]

So this is your way of saying that I was completely correct.

Wrong.

36 Grad hours at the seminary will do that for you.

Irrelevant and based on what you've written here it's obvious you were either a very poor student or had very poor instruction.