Posted on 11/22/2009 1:24:11 PM PST by NYer
That is an amazing number.
The misunderstanding comes from this. A married man, though usually barred from ordination to the priesthood in the Latin rite of the Catholic Church, may be ordained to the diaconate, and may sometimes be permitted to be ordained a priest, and the general rule in the Eastern Catholic Churches is to permit married men to be ordained, even to the priesthood, although no married man in any of the Catholic Churches is ever consecrated to the episcopacy.
Conversely, a man who is not married and already ordained, even only as a deacon, may never validly marry (with the exception of men who are laicized and relieved from their promise of celibacy).
Married men can become priests.
Unmarried men who are already ordained may not subsequently marry.
sitetest
Additionally, a married cleric (deacon or priest) may not remarry if widowed.
This was about twelve years ago.
And of course you have some solid proof of this....
Perhaps the earlier post was worded awkwardly. Eastern Rite Catholic priests may marry. Roman (Latin) Rite Catholic priests may not marry but may be widowed and thus previously married. A married priest ordained in a denomination near to the Catholic Church, such as Episcopal or Lutheran, may be ordained a Roman Catholic priest but can never marry after vows. Married men may be ordained to the Deaconate but may not marry after accepting vows. Sometimes priests are released from their vows and subsequently marry. I am unaware of any Roman Catholic married man being ordained a priest in modern times. Marriage being defined as valid within the Catholic Church. I don’t know about elevations to bishops and such.
Please let me know if I erred!
Yeah not so much there, I beleive that ALL Eastern rites, (Byzantine, Eastern Orthodox, etc...., as well as some of the Oriental rites) allowed married Clergy.
You are aware that there are in the neighborhood of 19 or 20 different rites in the "Catholic" Church, only one of which is the "Roman" Rite I beleive that Eastern Orthodox is the only one one not fully in communion with the Catholic Church.
“Eastern Rite Catholic priests may marry.”
No, but married men may become Eastern Catholic priests.
In other words, once you’re a Catholic priest - of any sort - that’s it. If you’re not already married, you may not change that marital status. No one who is already a Catholic deacon, priest or bishop may subsequently contract a valid marriage.
“A married priest ordained in a denomination near to the Catholic Church, such as Episcopal or Lutheran, may be ordained a Roman Catholic priest but can never marry after vows.”
If the Church accepts such a man into the priesthood (and this is decided on a case-by-case basis), that’s correct. Such a man, already married, may be ordained. But he may never marry again, even if widowed.
“Married men may be ordained to the Deaconate but may not marry after accepting vows.”
Yes.
“Sometimes priests are released from their vows and subsequently marry.”
More or less.
sitetest
Hey NYER I found this on UK Times for Monday runs BIG EFFIN Deal Archibishop he claim Pope hurt his feelings
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article6927715.ece
Regarding priests and marriage, see post 22.
Thanks,
sitetest
Thanks I already knew that. 36 Grad hours at the seminary will do that for you.
An Easter Rite Catholic married man may be ordained a priest but no Catholic priest can ever marry.
“Sometimes priests are released from their vows and subsequently marry.” More or less???
That there are married clergy permitted in the Catholic Church is correct.
But your first assertion was incorrect, that the other poster was in error. But this is what he said:
“ALL ‘Catholic Rites’ bar ordained priests from marriage; every last one of them.”
You replied, “Yeah not so much there,...”
That was incorrect. I assume that perhaps you misunderstood what the other poster meant. He didn't say that there are no married clergy in the Catholic Church. He said that ordained priests are barred from marriage in all of the Catholic Church.
He is correct.
That's why I pointed you to my post. Not to dispute that there are married priests in the Catholic Church, but to point out that what the other poster was also true, and to make clear a crucial point:
Married men may be ordained, but ordained men may not subsequently marry.
sitetest
“And of course you have some solid proof of this.... “
Indeed I do. I’ve been on the receiving end of the bishops’ plans. Catholic Charities is the largest NGO provider of services to Somali Mohammedans in the United States. In places like Maine and Tennesee, priests, nuns and other fellow travelers of the Dioceses have been in the forefront of demanding special treatment for Mohammedan students in the nature of “prayer rooms” in pursuit of which, doubtless unwittingly, it is making common cause with C.A.I.R.. In the area of finance, it is encouraging non-profit economic development corporations and localities to make “Sharia compliant” loans to its Mohammedan wards.
Google Catholic Charities and Somalis. You’ll see what I mean.
“An Eastern Rite Catholic married man may be ordained a priest but no Catholic priest can ever marry.”
At least, no Catholic priest can marry and retain the clerical state. And he cannot validly marry if, upon being dismissed from the clerical state (that is, laicized), he doesn't also receive permission to be released from his promise or vow of celibacy.
I knew a priest once who wished to leave the priesthood (not because he wanted to get married). I remember the cardinal agreed to have the Church return him to the lay state, but pressured the man to continue with his promise of celibacy. One couldn't blame the cardinal, in that it was pretty apparent that the priest was homosexual, and thus, needed to be released from his promise like he needed an extra hole in his head.
But the priest was "in the closet," and being released from the promise of celibacy was his way of continuing to say to the world that he was heterosexual, in spite of the reality of the situation. I always chuckle when I think of this laicized priest.
“More or less.”
It's a quibble, but I've been told that diocesan priests don't usually take vows of celibacy, but rather make promises of celibacy to their bishop. In my own mind, the distinction is almost without difference, but I've seen others get upset when this distinction isn't made.
sitetest
“I beleive that Eastern Orthodox is the only one one not fully in communion with the Catholic Church.”
Gee, v, wrong again. The Eastern Orthodox Churches are particular Catholic churches. They are not in full communion with the Roman Catholic Church and those particular churches in communion with it. A number of the Oriental Orthodox Churches, virtually all of which are Monophysite, are similarly not in full communion with Rome.
Gee, v, wrong again. The Eastern Orthodox Churches are particular Catholic churches. They are not in full communion with the Roman Catholic Church and those particular churches in communion with it. A number of the Oriental Orthodox Churches, virtually all of which are Monophysite, are similarly not in full communion with Rome.
Yeah I was pretty sure that I was spot on. Might want to reasses your sources. BTW every other source on google has the same information.
http://www.angloindians.com/the-church/catholic-church/oriental-churches.html
Oriental Catholic Churches (Eastern Rite Catholic Churches) The Roman Catholic Church comprises 22 individual or sui juris Churches, all in full communion with the Church of Rome, forming the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. There is the Latin Church, and 21 Oriental Churches. The Oriental Catholic Churches are also known as Eastern Rite Catholic Churches. Each of these 21 Oriental Churches (Rites) has its own hierarchy, traditions, and practices. Major Oriental (Eastern Rite) Churches There are five major Oriental Churches or Oriental Rites, each of which has Sister Churches, taking the total number of Oriental Churches to 21. The five major Oriental rites are: Alexandrian Armenian Antiochene Byzantine Chaldean Note: The sixth major rite in the Catholic Church is the Roman (Latin) Church, which is non-Oriental. All 21 Oriental Churches are in full Communion with the Church of Rome. The 21 Oriental (Eastern Rite) Churches The Sister Churches of all the above five major Oriental Rites add up to 21 Oriental Churches in number. They are the following: Alexandrian Rite Coptic Catholic Church (Egypt) Ethiopian Catholic Church (Ethiopia) Antiochean Rite Syrian Catholic Church (Middle East, Americas, etc.) Maronite Catholic Church (Middle East, Americas, etc.) Syro-Malankara Catholic Church (Kerala in India) Armenian Rite Armenian Catholic Church (Middle East, Americas, Europe) Byzantine Rite Albanian Byzantine Catholic Church (Albania) Bulgarian Byzantine Catholic Church (Bulgaria) Byelorussian (Belarusian) Catholic Church (Russia, Greece, USA, etc.) Greek Byzantine Catholic Church (Greece, Turkey) Hungarian Byzantine Catholic Church (Hungary) Italo-Albanian Byzantine Catholic Church (Italy) Krizevei Catholic Church (Former Yugoslavia) Melkite Greek Catholic Church (Middle East, Americas, etc.) Romanian Greek Catholic Church (Romania, USA) Ruthenian Byzantine Catholic Church (Ukraine, USA) Ukrainian Catholic Church (Ukraine, USA, Americas) Russian Catholic Church (Russia, China, USA) Slovak Greek Catholic Church (Slovakia, Canada) Chaldean Rite Chaldean Catholic Church (Middle East, USA) Syro-Malabar Catholic Church (Kerala in India, India, USA)
“Yeah I was pretty sure that I was spot on. Might want to reasses your sources. BTW every other source on google has the same information.”
Sigh.... You were wrong again. The Armenians are Monophysite Oriental Orthodox and only a small number of them are in a church in communion with Rome. The Copts, the Ethiopian and Eritrean Orthodox, the Jacobite Syrian Christian Church and the Syriac Orthodox Church are also Oriental Orthodox. I think there may be one or two in India also. These churches comprise the overwhelming majority of Oriental Orthodox. None of them are in communion with Rome.
Once again Yeah, Not so much Oriental Catholic Churches (Eastern Rite Catholic Churches) The Roman Catholic Church comprises 22 individual or sui juris Churches, all in full communion with the Church of Rome, forming the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.
Did you actually look at what was written, or just have your usual knee jerk reaction?
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