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Posted on 11/09/2009 8:57:19 AM PST by GonzoII
Greeting of the Altar and of the People Gathered Together
| Mt 28:19 | "...in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit..." |
| 2 Cor 13:13 "...The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the charity of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all..." |
Eph 1:2 "...Grace and peace to you from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ..." |
2 Tim 4:22 "...May the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit..." |
The Act of Penitence
| Jas 5:16 | "...confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another..." |
| Dan 9:4-6 | "...I beg you, O Lord God, great and terrible, preserving the covenant and mercy for those who love you and keep your commandments. We have sinned, we have committed iniquity, we acted impiously and have withdrawn, and we have turned aside from your commandments as well as your judgments. We have not obeyed your servants, the prophets, who have spoken in your name..." |
The Kyrie Eleison
| Ps 122:3 | "...Have mercy on us, O Lord, have mercy on us..." |
The Gloria
| Lk 2:14 | "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to men of good will." |
| 1 Pet 1:7 | "...praise and glory and honor, at the revelation of Jesus Christ..." |
LITURGY OF THE WORD
2 Tim 3:16 ...All Scripture, having been divinely inspired, is useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in justice, so that the man of God may be perfect, having been trained for every good work...
Rev 5:7 ...And he approached and received the book from the right hand of the One sitting upon the throne...
The First Reading
The second reading is typically a pericope taken from the Old Testament.
Responsorial Psalm
The responsorial psalm is a hymn typically taken the Davidian Psalters
The Second Reading
The second reading is typically a pericope taken from the epistles. It is not usually read on weekdays.
Verse before the Gospel
The verse before the Gospel is a hymn adapted from a verse related to the Gospel reading.
| Rev 5:13 | "...to the Lamb be blessing, and honor, and glory, and authority, forever and ever." |
The Gospel Reading
Gospel pericopes cover almost all of the four Gospels if read from daily in a three year cycle. Gospel readings are cycled through the synoptic gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke. The Gospel of John is covered throughout the year and major feast days.
The Profession of Faith
I believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen.
I believe one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father. Through Him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation, He came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit He was born of the Virgin Mary, and became Man.
For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate; He suffered, died, and was buried.
On the third day He rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures;
He ascended into heaven, and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and His kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of life, Who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son He is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the prophets.
I believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church.
I acknowledge one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins. I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come.
Amen.
The Prayer of the Faithful
Rev 5:8 ...living creatures and the ... elders... each having... golden bowls full of fragrances, which are the prayers of the saints...
| Ps 83:9 | ...O Lord, God of hosts, hear my prayer... |
LITURGY OF THE EUCHARIST
Mal 1:11 ...For, from the rising of the sun even to its setting, my name is great among the Gentiles, and in every place, a clean oblation is being sacrificed and offered to my name. For my name is great among the Gentiles, says the Lord of hosts...
The Preparation of the Gifts
Rev 8:3 ...And another Angel approached, and he stood before the altar, holding a golden censer. And much incense was given to him, so that he might offer upon the golden altar, which is before the throne of God, the prayers of all the saints. And the smoke of the incense of the prayers of the saints ascended, in the presence of God, from the hand of the Angel...
Institution Narrative
| 1 Cor 11:23-25 | "...on the same night that he was handed over, took bread, and giving thanks, he broke it, and said: "Take and eat. This is my body, which shall be given up for you. Do this in remembrance of me." Similarly also, the cup, after he had eaten supper, saying: "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me." |
Rev 4:8 ...And they took no rest, day or night, from saying: "Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God Almighty..."
| Isa 6:3 | ..."Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God of hosts! All the earth is filled with his glory!"... |
| Mt 21:9 | ..."Hosanna to the Son of David! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Hosanna in the highest!"... |
Memorial Acclamation
Rev 5:6 ...and behold, in the midst of the throne... a Lamb was standing, as if it were slain...
| 1 Cor 11:26 "For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the death of the Lord, until he returns..." |
1 Cor 15:3-22 "...Christ died for our sins... Christ has risen again from the dead... in Christ all will be brought to life..." |
THE COMMUNION RITE
The Lord's Prayer
| Mt 6:9-13 | "...Our Father, who is in heaven: May your name be kept holy. May your kingdom come. May your will be done, as in heaven, so also on earth. Give us this day our life-sustaining bread. And forgive us our debts, as we also forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation. But free us from evil..." |
| 1 Chr 29:11 | "...Yours, O Lord, is magnificence and power and glory, and also victory; and to you is praise. For all the things that are in heaven and on earth are yours. Yours is the kingdom, O Lord, and you are above all rulers..." |
The Rite of Peace
| Jn 14:27 | "...Peace I leave for you; my Peace I give to you..." |
| 2 Cor 13:12 | "...Greet one another..." |
| Jn 20:19 | "...Peace to you..." |
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Jn 6:54-59
Jesus said to them: "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you will not have life in you. 55 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. 56 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 57 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. 58 Just as the living Father has sent me and I live because of the Father, so also whoever eats me, the same shall live because of me. 59 This is the bread that descends from heaven. It is not like the manna that your fathers ate, for they died. Whoever eats this bread shall live forever."
Jn 1:29
..."Behold, the Lamb of God. Behold, he who takes away the sin of the world..."
Mt 8:8
..."Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word, and my servant shall be healed..."
Gen 28:3
"...And may God almighty bless you..."Num 6:24-26
"May the Lord bless you and keep you. May the Lord reveal his face to you and take pity on you. May the Lord turn his countenance toward you and grant peace to you."
Mt 28:19
"...in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit..."
Judg 18:6
"Go in peace. The Lord looks with favor on your path, and on the journey that you have undertaken."Deut 10:11-12
"...Go forth... and love him, and serve the Lord..."
Rev 14:2-3 ...And the voice that I heard was like that of singers, while playing on their stringed instruments. And they were singing what seemed like a new canticle before the throne...
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One of the most beautiful books on the Mass is Scott Hahn’s,
“The Lamb’s Supper”. It had a great influence on me when I was in the process of reverting to Catholicism.
Another influence was St. Justin Martyr’s Apology circa 150AD in which he lays out what the early Christians do when they gathered for the Lord’s Day.
This post is wonderful and well done. Thank you, I will be sending the link for this to friends and family.
hmmm, the catholic mass, intrinsincly linked to the word of God...who would have thought it </s>
I have an audio series from Scott Hahn called "How to get the most out of Mass", and I can say it sure did help me to.
And you're welcome.
Ping.
Roman Catholocism is strange in that on one hand it teaches orthodox christianity and on the other it defends doctrines that are extra-biblical. For example: Mary is taught to be a co-redemtrix; priests (generally) are not permitted to marry; confession to a priest is a sacrament and essential; baptism is essential for salvation; Jesus is actually present in the communion elements. These are just a few of the objections that non-Catholic christians have with Roman Catholocism. You place your faith in scripture, tradition and the organization called the RCC. Christ calls us to place our faith in the living and written Word (in Him) and the leading of the Holy Spirit - period! I have no animosity toward the RCC but I see its overall doctrine as being corrupt, i.e., not pure. Has the RCC ever repented over any of the strange doctrines that it’s taught over the centuries? In light of the doctrine of infalibility, it may be impossible it to do so. God forbid the RCC admit that some of its teachings have missed the mark.
Roman Catholocism is strange in that on one hand it teaches orthodox christianity and on the other it defends doctrines that are extra-biblical. For example: Mary is taught to be a co-redemtrix; priests (generally) are not permitted to marry; confession to a priest is a sacrament and essential; baptism is essential for salvation; Jesus is actually present in the communion elements. These are just a few of the objections that non-Catholic christians have with Roman Catholocism. You place your faith in scripture, tradition and the organization called the RCC. Christ calls us to place our faith in the living and written Word (in Him) and the leading of the Holy Spirit - period! I have no animosity toward the RCC but I see its overall doctrine as being corrupt, i.e., not pure. Has the RCC ever repented over any of the strange doctrines that it’s taught over the centuries? In light of the doctrine of infalibility, it may be impossible it to do so. God forbid the RCC admit that some of its teachings have missed the mark.
the so-called ‘extra biblical’ traditions you note, are also grounded in scripture and sacred tradition handed down in the original deposit of faith.
The fact that you neither see it, nor desire to see it, are a shame.
I'll just take this one, Friend.
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Most impressive!
A few questions:
1. Where did Jesus give instructions that the Christian faith should be based exclusively on a book?
2. Other than the specific command to John to write the Revelation, where did Jesus tell His apostles to write anything down and compile it into an authoritative book?
3. Where in the New Testament do the apostles tell future generations that the Christian faith will be based solely on a book?
4. Where did the table of contents of the Bible come from?
5. What do you think happened to all the “things” in John 21:25? “Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written."
No, they were developed over hundreds of years. The ‘seed’ theory says they were always present, just unseen until hundreds or thousands of years clarified them. Either way, you have the Magisterium changing what is accepted and known as true.
If these verses had anything to do with the Catholic Mass being a sacrifice for atonement of sin, then it would be impressive. However, there is no attempt to show that - just that we are to celebrate the Eucharist, “in remembrance”.
Changing ‘do this in remembrance of me’ into ‘do this for forgiveness of sin’ is quite a jump, that the Magisterium took, forgetting another scripture in 2 John: “Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.”
You are confusing makeing up doctrine (like sola scriptura, or sole fide, neither mentioned in the bible) with the essentials that were in the deposit of faith given to the apostles.
the seeds were there, and grew over time into the doctrines you see today.
If the seeds never existed, then neither would the doctrines.
Folks can read the scriptures themselves, and see if the seeds were ever there.
The law of the LORD is perfect, reviving the soul;
the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple;
the precepts of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart;
the commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes;
the fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever;
the rules of the LORD are true, and righteous altogether.
More to be desired are they than gold, even much fine gold;
sweeter also than honey and drippings of the honeycomb.
Moreover, by them is your servant warned; in keeping them there is great reward.
Psalms 19
Salvation has nothing to do with baptism or any of the other sacraments. You make my point when I say that your faith is based on tradition and corrup doctrine. Consider the thief on the cross who entered paradise upon his death. No baptism. Adhering to rituals will save no-one.
Salvation has nothing to do with baptism or any of the other sacraments. You make my point when I say that your faith is based on tradition and corrup doctrine. Consider the thief on the cross who entered paradise upon his death. No baptism. Adhering to rituals will save no-one.
Salvation has nothing to do with baptism or any of the other sacraments. You make my point when I say that your faith is based on tradition and corrup doctrine. Consider the thief on the cross who entered paradise upon his death. No baptism. Adhering to rituals will save no-one.
Salvation has nothing to do with baptism or any of the other sacraments. You make my point when I say that your faith is based on tradition and corrup doctrine. Consider the thief on the cross who entered paradise upon his death. No baptism. Adhering to rituals will save no-one.
>>Mary is taught to be a co-redemtrix<<
Stopped right there.
You have no clue what you are talking about, so study up and come back.
Please ping me if someone answers your questions.
They are brilliant.
I'll take the word of the Holy Ghost and stay on the safe side:
1Pt:3:20: "...baptism doth also now save us."
Mk:16:15-16: "And he said to them: Go ye into the whole world....He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved: but he that believeth not shall he condemned."
I let Christ worry about folks like the Good Thief, and I worry about his words concerning me.
Thank you so much for the link to the Celledoor Bible!
Nice stuff, downloading all 126mb now.
Christ, seeing the thief had no opportunity for baptism, in His wisdom and mercy saved the thief anyway.
I sure will, but it hasn't happened yet.
You’re welcome.
I expect that it will be pretty quiet on this thread.
How about interpreting the “whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup” as remembering Him any time you eat? He was just reclining at a table with friends during a feast, not ordering the start of a new freestanding ritual.
Is it customary when you are at table with friends to pick up a piece of bread and announce it is your body, and call the wine your blood?
We typically don’t do that at our functions. *shrug*
Let’s take Hebrews. Over and over again it says of Christ “Thou art a priest forever...according to the order of Melchizedek.”
Now what do you suppose that means? A priest...of the order of Melchizedek?
It IS customary when you are at table with friends to thank God for His provision and sacrifice, remembering Him until the Second Coming.
We typically do that at our functions.
Is it customary to take bread and wine at table in very small amounts with great fanfare, served by someone in elaborate garb?
Yes of course, but that’s not all Christ did. He sat there held bread in his hand and said “this is my body”.
Then He says “do this in memory of me”. And what’s “this” mean, if it doesn’t mean “what I just did”?
This shouldn’t be controversial really. It’s not only Catholics who use those words in the context of a liturgy—Presbyterians, Lutherans, Methodists, Episcopalians, you name it.
Absolutely. Did the Hebrew priests not have their showbread and their drink and grain offerings?
"A feast?"
"The Holy Ghost, speaking through St. Paul tells us what it really is:
1Cor:10:16: "The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?"
1Cor:11:23-30: "For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: 24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. 25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. 26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. 27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. 29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. 30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
So we have to ask the question, how is it possible to be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord if we're just eating a little bread and wine?, or how can we "sleep" die from it?, or how can we "eat" some "bread" and "drink" some "wine" unworthily?
Also note verse 26, we don't just remember Christ's death we "do shew" or " do show" it, it is re-presented. --It's comin' at ya live here and now.
Regards.
great analysis, thanks!
The extraordinary form (”traditional Latin mass”) beginning with Psalm 43 at the foot of the altar is pretty nifty, if you ask me.
Excellent post.
Such would be your claim. And what of it?
im with you claude, melchizedek offered bread and wine as a sacrifice, forshadowing the priesthood of the catholic church...
The pillar and ground of the truth is the Church.
Are we not gorgeous!?!
I have never felt that the phrase “the fullness of the faith” was more obvious after reading this. Great post and very educational, GonzoII. Sending it to family and friends. Thank you.
Study the details of the rite of the Passover and you will see many foreshadowings of Christ’s death on the cross— as well as foreshadowings of the Mass.
Why was Bethlehem chosen to be the birthplace of the Lord? The “House of Bread” was another clue to the Jews to help them recognize the majesty and truth of the words Christ uttered to them, “You must gnaw my flesh and drink my blood.” Any town could have been chosen for His birth. There are many other clues, such as the prophesy that he would be a priest like Melchisedek. There are other things about Melchisedek besides his use of bread that are interesting and prophetic.
God wanted as many of the Jews as possible to recognize the Messiah. He put clues and foreshadowings throughout all the Jewish holidays and festivals so that they could recognize Christ when He came. The Mass takes those foreshadowings and puts them into crystal perspective. Like Jews of old, we offer a sacrifice pleasing to God, we do as He told us without questioning like Abraham, we stand at the foot of the Cross- the seminal moment in human history-at every Mass. We live it. We celebrate it. We commemorate it. We participate in it. All this, because Jesus asked us to. All for Him! The intimacy to Christ’s redemption of us is intense. We stand at the foot of the Cross, sinful and repentant and needy.
It is unfathomable and majestic and completely nourishing. I appreciate your zeal and faith, Mr. Rogers, but, oh what you are missing! There is nothing on earth like being Catholic. Nothing. It’s the deepest bond to Christ there is: the Word made flesh being consumed by believers. The Eucharist is everything.
I am full of joy and gladness for the gift of my faith as it has been guided by the Church. The rules of the Lord ARE true, and righteous altogether!
And Satan smiles – he’s got another one! You have to ignore so much of Scripture to believe what you believe.
Twice in John the betrayal of Christ is linked to Judas not believing the real presence:
Let’s begin with John 6:
“I am the bread of life. Your fathers did eat manna in the desert and are dead. This is the bread which cometh down from heaven: that if any man eat of it, he may not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, for the life of the world. The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: ‘How can this man give us his flesh to eat?’ Then Jesus said to them: ‘Amen, amen, I say unto you: except you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.’…But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that did not believe and who he was that would betray him. John 6: 48-54, 65
So here we see the link between not believing in the real presence and betrayal. And then later:
"Because of this many of His disciples turned back and no longer went about with Him." (John 6:66)
I always thought it interesting that John 666 – the mark of the beast – is where Satan manages to turn some of Christ’s disciples, over their lack of belief in the real presence. Not important, just interesting.
Later in John 13:
When Jesus had said these things, he was troubled in spirit; and he testified, and said: ‘Amen, amen, I say to you, one of you shall betray me.’ The disciples therefore looked one upon another, doubting of whom he spoke. Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved. Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him and said to him: ‘Who is it of whom he speaketh?’ He therefore, leaning on the breast of Jesus, saith to him: Lord, who is it? Jesus answered: ‘He it is to whom I shall reach bread dipped.’ And when he had dipped the bread, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon. And after the morsel, Satan entered into him.” John 13:21-27
The betrayal of Christ was now complete. To Judas, this was only bread and wine. Satan entered into the heart of Judas that he conquered with doubt about the word “IS”
Paul later talks about the dangers of not discerning the real presence of Christ’s in the bread:
“For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus, the same night in which he was betrayed, took bread, And giving thanks, broke and said: Take ye and eat: This is my body, which shall be delivered for you. This do for the commemoration of me. In like manner also the chalice, after he had supped, saying: This chalice is the new testament in my blood. This do ye, as often as you shall drink, for the commemoration of me. For as often as you shall eat this bread and drink the chalice, you shall show the death of the Lord, until he come. Therefore, whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread and drink of the chalice. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord. Therefore are there many infirm and weak among you: and many sleep. But if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.”
1 Cor 11:23-31 Many are weak, infirmed and dead in spirit for not believing.
Indeed, the devil is happy when people deny the real presence in the Eucharist.
Who, but the devil, has granted such license of wresting the words of the holy Scripture? Who ever read in the Scriptures, that my body is the same as the sign of my body? or, that is is the same as it signifies? What language in the world ever spoke so? It is only then the devil, that imposes upon us by these fanatical men. Not one of the Fathers of the Church, though so numerous, ever spoke as the Sacramentarians:not one of them ever said, It is only bread and wine; or, the body and blood of Christ is not there present. Surely, it is not credible, nor possible, since they often speak, and repeat their sentiments, that they should never (if they thought so) not so much as once, say, or let slip these words: It is bread only; or the body of Christ is not there, especially it being of great importance, that men should not be deceived. Certainly, in so many Fathers, and in so many writings, the negative might at least be found in one of them, had they thought the body and blood of Christ were not really present: but they are all of them unanimous.”
–Luther’s Collected Works, Wittenburg Edition, no. 7 p, 391
So Martin Luther says only the devil believes the bread is only bread.
Where would he get such an idea? From Christ Himself!
Well, using your seed analogy, the magisterium is the gardener. Does the gardener make a seed grow into plant, or does he just tend it?
There is also the fact that the Jews of his time were literal in their thought and untouched by the rationalism that informed the thinking a, say, a reformer like Zwingli.
You’re welcome.
FAbulous thread! Thank you!
From "Scripture Catholic":
Psalm 27:2; Isa. 9:20; 49:26; Mic. 3:3; 2 Sam. 23:17; Rev. 16:6; 17:6, 16 - "to further dispense with the Protestant claim that Jesus was only speaking symbolically, these verses demonstrate that symbolically eating body and blood is always used in a negative context of a physical assault. It always means “destroying an enemy,” not becoming intimately close with him. Thus, if Jesus were speaking symbolically in John 6:51-58, He would be saying to us, "He who reviles or assaults me has eternal life." This, of course, is absurd. "
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Then they should go more deeply into their Bible, and they'll see that their objections have no substance.
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