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Non-Gravitational Fifth Force? Research Could Change Most Widely Held Scientific Theories...
BCN ^ | Oct 28, 2009 | Teresa Neumann

Posted on 10/28/2009 1:26:53 AM PDT by bogusname

He [Jesus] is before all things, and in Him all things hold together." -Col. 1:17

REPORTER'S NOTE: Though I'm taking a stab in the dark (excuse the pun) with interpreting this article, one thing is certain: these scientists seem to ascribe cognizant, rational attributes to an invisible "force" that is "ruling over" dark matter in the universe. I'll let you read the article and come to your own conclusions! -Teresa Neumann, BCN.

Science Daily reports that an international team of astronomers have found an unexpected link between mysterious 'dark matter' and the visible stars and gas in galaxies that could revolutionise science's current understanding of gravity...

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TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: electrogravitics; forces; gravity; scientism; universe
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1 posted on 10/28/2009 1:26:54 AM PDT by bogusname
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To: bogusname
How delightful!

Thanks for posting!

2 posted on 10/28/2009 1:45:48 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: bogusname

That we don’t fully understand gravity itself has always been one of the possibilities explaining dark matter, meaning that it doesn’t really exist. I think what they’re implying is that there is another force associated with matter that modifies gravity at extragalactic ranges. So far gravity is the only long-range force in the universe. It sounds like mere hypothesis at this point however. I still think dark matter can be explained just as well as a non-interacting massive particle similar to the neutino, but with more rest mass and no weak interaction.


3 posted on 10/28/2009 1:49:37 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The right thing is not always the popular thing)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Im any case you’ll find Christ at the Control Panel.


4 posted on 10/28/2009 1:53:52 AM PDT by bogusname (Banish All Lliberals)
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To: bogusname

I agree, but more like the design table. Control panel sounds to micro-managing. God set the world in motion, and only intervenes occasionally. That’s my view anyway.


5 posted on 10/28/2009 2:00:00 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The right thing is not always the popular thing)
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To: Telepathic Intruder
So far gravity is the only long-range force in the universe.

Electromagnetism is also long range.

6 posted on 10/28/2009 2:01:24 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Well, I stand corrected (I agree). LOL


7 posted on 10/28/2009 2:02:15 AM PDT by bogusname (Banish All Lliberals)
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To: bogusname

The standard CGS system needs another component.

Momentum.

If there is a fundamental unit measured in momentum, the Lorentz equations balance out quite nicely.

In fact it is there, but folks fail to recognize as it is.
Some call it neutrinos.


8 posted on 10/28/2009 2:08:18 AM PDT by djf (Grasshopper: The game is rigged. Patience takes forever to learn. You're so screwed!!)
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To: Moonman62
Electromagnetism is also long range.

Technically you are correct, but it's a little more complicated than that I think. The electric force of the atom cancels itself out at very short range, making matter seem solid at that distance. Electromagnetism is more like a manifestation of the electric force interacting with magnetism, which is still a very short-range one. The propogation of photons along this field is the only thing that is long-range about it, which is not really a "force" per se. You don't find it affecting the course of planets or galaxies, for example.
9 posted on 10/28/2009 2:09:23 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The right thing is not always the popular thing)
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To: bogusname

Read later.


10 posted on 10/28/2009 2:14:47 AM PDT by Bellflower (If you are left DO NOT take the mark of the beast and be damned forever.)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Any force with a massless carrier like the photon has an infinite range.


11 posted on 10/28/2009 2:15:29 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Moonman62

But the photon does not represent the electromagnetic force itself; it is merely propogated along it. The amplitude of the wavelength of a photon pretty much describes the range of the force carrying it, which is very small. Gravity, however, has a range that is unbound because it has no cancelling force (assumingly).

Here it is: the electric force has positive and negative counterparts operating at very short distances, which is the distance between the proton and the electron. So that’s about the range that they cancel themselves out, more or less. That’s what you also see reflected in the amplitude of an electromagnetic particle like the photon. Gravity, however, has no negative counterpart that we know of, so it basically follows the inverse square law: dissipating only because of distance from the source. So that makes it the dominant force in the large-scale universe.


12 posted on 10/28/2009 2:35:09 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The right thing is not always the popular thing)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

You are right on some points, but wrong on others. I would recommend that you don’t lecture others.


13 posted on 10/28/2009 2:50:22 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: bogusname

Sounds like phlogiston is making a comeback.


14 posted on 10/28/2009 2:52:13 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: Moonman62

You’re not even going to tell me where I was wrong?


15 posted on 10/28/2009 2:59:21 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The right thing is not always the popular thing)
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To: bogusname

God Works in Mysterious ways, His wonders to behold.


16 posted on 10/28/2009 3:06:34 AM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: Keli Kilohana

The force is duct tape.


17 posted on 10/28/2009 3:08:45 AM PDT by Keli Kilohana (Editor, ZARR CHASM CHRONICAL [sic], Sore, WV)
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To: bogusname

18 posted on 10/28/2009 3:21:16 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Moonman62; Telepathic Intruder
"Any force with a massless carrier like the photon has an infinite range."

Happily, electrons used in credit transactions have a notable, if smallish, mass. Otherwise the IRS could tax the entire universe.

19 posted on 10/28/2009 3:47:46 AM PDT by Enosh (†)
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To: Telepathic Intruder
The EM force follows the inverse square law and is theoretically infinite as well. Different forms of propagation, interaction with material that does not add to the to the force itself, along with obvious dipoles scatter dilute and cancel out it's effects. Gravity, being a function of space-time itself, obeys the inverse square law out of necessity (3 dimensions plus time). The treatment of a spacial effect as a manifestation and emission of matter itself seems to be the problem here. Applying physical theories to what is inherently a property of space-time. I personally don't believe it's quantifiable in the physical sense. 80 years of searching has yielded nothing, more accurate data yes, but nothing model wise.
20 posted on 10/28/2009 4:01:31 AM PDT by allmost
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