Posted on 10/26/2009 5:34:19 PM PDT by maryannk
The Catholic Campaign for Human Development collection is next month. CCHD might as well stand for Catholic Cash Helping Democrats. Thirty to 50% of the collection goes to community organizing and helped elect politicians like Lorretta Sanchez and Barack Obama. Please urge Catholics to BOYCOTT THE COLLECTION. Spread this YouTube video far and wide!
Is this something the Catholic church encourages? I am asking kindly before blowing another fuse on the Catholic church.
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Ping of interest. It appears to be another hypocrisy moment for the Catholic church.
I just saw the video. The Catholic church is wicked!
Thanks for asking. Feel free to blow a fuse on the USCCB at your convenience (note: this is a "second collection" advocated by the USCCB, not the Catholic Church as a whole). As long as you are careful to be accurate in your criticism, I would bet that more than one Catholic FReeper would join you in your fuse-blowing fest.
One suggestion for Catholic FReepers: instead of donating money for that second collection, how about putting a note in a plain envelope stating why it is inappropriate to have a CCHD collection and why you won't be donating to it this year or any year until it is utterly reformed.
Maybe this second collection is wicked and doesn't belong in a Catholic Church.
The overwrought hyper-inference you made is ludicrous.
I saw the video after posting. What on earth is that organization doing being allowed to collect with the blessing of the Catholic church?? I’d go off an any church that did that.
If the Catholic church allows this and even encourages people to donate to it, the Catholic church is helping to sponsor the ends of the organization.
It is not a leap of logic in any way to say the Catholic church is encouraging evil in that way.
Bump.
Or you can do what I do - don't donate any monies to the Catholic Church until it is utterly Reformed!
Never had a 2nd collection for that group in my experience.
This is a decades long collection....Before I left the church I didn’t give to it and hubby and I had discussions about donating every year....they have always given to liberal organizations...No one is required to donate but it is strongly encouraged by most pastors...
Wow , that is sad it is bad enough that Oprah has her own church of witchcraft or sect closely resembling the mormon church or LDS but for the Catholic church to back him is enough to make me hurl
I think you need to make a distinction between the Catholic Church and certain programs of the American bishops. The Catholic Church as founded by Jesus Christ is indefectible which means she cannot err. All of our doctrines have stood the test of time. But the fact that the Church cannot err when the pope and magisterium speak in union does not mean individual members of the hierarchy and bishops’ conferences can’t be in error. Unfortunately, the bishops’ conference in the U.S. is a mess. We have a lot of bad bishops and others who are weak and they have allowed their bureaucracy to be out of control.
That’s why the laity are fighting. The fact that the Church has been able to survive for 2000 years with so many bad popes, cardinals, and bishops running things is actually strong proof that the Catholic church is the true Church founded by Christ. Without the protection of the Holy Spirit she would have sunk into the muck years ago.
That’s why I fight the evil, but stay in the Church where the fullness of the truth is.
I haven't seen the video, but I am well familiar with CCHD. And I agree that CCHD is a thoroughly messed up organization for any Christian group, much less for the Catholic Church.
Again, though, let me stress that this is sponsored by the USCCB (US Conference of Catholic Bishops), not by the Vatican.
Some background: the US bishops have been messed up since the late 50s / early 60s (the era of Vatican II, which you may have heard some of us bemoan), but the greatest amount of damage was done to the Catholic Church in the US by Archbishop Jean Jadot, former apostolic delegate to the US from 1973 to 1980. He recommended a huge number of "winners" to be consecrated as bishops, to include Bernard Law (you may recall that name from another context), Roger Mahoney, Bishop Hubbard, Bishop Clark, Archbishop Weakland, and so on. He tried to locate the most liberal priests he could and made them bishops. This did a huge amount of damage to the entire Church as possible.
So you had two factors: #1: the Church was in disarray in the aftermath of VCII (liberals started dominating the educational apparatus and the bureaucratic apparatus) and #2: an apostolic delegate (the Pope's personal representative) who was pushing a radical agenda and replacing the hierarchy with the most liberal people he could find. It was in this time that CCHD was formed.
When Rome is told about CCHD, they are told it is a movement to help the poor break the cycle of poverty, improve their housing situation, education, and so on. A response: OK. (If the US bishops say that this is its purpose, then that sounds great...) It takes a WHOLE lot for Rome to get involved in the internal affairs of a diocese, much less in the affairs of a national bishops' conference. If that doesn't sound reasonable, consider that the Catholic Church has over 1 billion people, almost 3,000 dioceses around the world and around 500,000 members of the clergy (bishops, priests, deacons). There is no way the Vatican can micromanage -- each bishop is fully in charge of his own diocese, assisted by his national bishops' conference.
The problem is not the purpose: but the execution. As a Catholic, I think that "social justice" issues are very noble. Feed the poor. Help educate the poor. Help find decent housing for the poor. Help the poor get jobs so that they can have the dignity of working. I cannot imagine any Christian, regardless of the denomination with whom they worship, could have any problem with those goals. Unfortunately, those who actually work toward those goals full time are usually not conservative Christians, those who work full time in those ministries are more than not Alinskyites...including by training...especially during the late 60s and early 70s when CCHD was formed.
Take that natural tendency and the liberal nature of the bishops nominated by Jadot, and you have a bad situation without adequate adult supervision.
Meanwhile, the laity were in a state of confusion. The catechists and many of the new priests coming out of seminary were preaching liberalism...the Mass had changed from its traditional form that had been in place for over 500 years without change to a new, liberalized format...so they don't know what's going on either.
Fortunately, since the late 80s / early 90s, most (not all) of the seminaries have been cleaned up, the Apostolic Nuncios have started to nominate good, orthodox bishops (they are far too few in number, but that is slowly changing)...and many of the laity, including many of my fellow Catholic FReepers are starting to stand up and being counted. You know how THOMAS (where bills are placed on line) is the worst nightmare to liberal Congressweenies? The Vatican website is the worst nightmare to liberal clergy in much the same way. Now, much to their chagrin, the laity can read the Church's teachings for themselves and don't have to depend upon the word of a liberal bishop. (Please note: the teachings were always accessible, but not nearly as easily as the Internet made them)
The same movement of the laity is forcing some changes to CCHD...not enough, but it is improving. They stopped providing funding to ACORN in 2006 and, when they are made aware of other groups, they pull the funding for those groups as well. See this October 2 2009 letter from the CCHD chairman.
For myself, I have not dropped an envelope for CCHD in years. And I encourage others to do likewise. For myself, I can see that there are plenty of local charities which I can contribute to...maybe, just maybe once I am absolutely convinced that CCHD not only has completely separated themselves from any Alinskyite organization, but has put adequate controls in to ensure that they can't do so in the future, then I might start contributing to them. Not before that time.
The above, and I apologize for the length, hopefully gives you some background. Not to apologize for them, but to help you see how it got the way it did.
Alex, I would be disappointed in you if you said anything else!
That is a most excellent description of this issue, and the core of so much else that I’ve been shocked over for some time. This idiocy must stop at some point.
You have my honest thanks, markomalley.
I will disagree with the Catholic church being the “true Church,” but I appreciate your thread post and the video.
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