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Benedict’s “Breathtaking” Move . . . Personal Ordinariates Now Available For Anglicans
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| Top Stories for Thursday, October 29th, 2009
| PAUL LIKOUDIS
Posted on 10/25/2009 6:06:57 AM PDT by GonzoII
Top Stories for Thursday, October 29th, 2009:
The monastery of St. Thaddeus, according to tradition, was built by the Apostle St. Jude Thaddeus, the brother of the Lord and the first missionary of the Armenians in 66 A. D. It is located in present- day Iran. According to the fifth- century Armenian chronicler Movses Khorenatsi, he is also buried here. If so, then this church is equal in rank with the Roman basilicas of Peter and Paul, the tomb in Compostela of the Apostle James, and the Madras cathedral of the Apostle Thomas, only much less known. It was rebuilt in 1324 after an earthquake, and because of its black and white stones local people call it with a half Azeri, half Persian name Qara Kelisa, Black Church. The monastery was added to the UNESCO World Heritage list of important religious and cultural sites in June 2008.
Benedicts Breathtaking Move . . . Personal Ordinariates Now Available For Anglicans
By PAUL LIKOUDIS
With a new apostolic constitution, Pope Benedict XVI is giving Anglicans worldwide a personal ordinariate to facilitate their entering full communion with the Roman Catholic Church.
The consensus among British observers was that the Popes gambit portends the end of the Anglican Church, by law established under Henry VIII. For Catholics, especially Catholics in the United States, the move can be interpreted as another boost for those who favor a more traditional and reverent liturgy.
A vigorous Anglican Rite within the broader Roman Communion would have the salutary effect of demonstrating, by comparison, how our own celebrations of the Holy Mass have been sadly devalued by the deliberate banishment of beauty, mystery, and reverence, and, above all, the substitution of unforgivably mundane and banal translations, a Wanderer reader from Washington told this reporter.
When I attend even middlebrow Episcopalian services with my paternal cousins, I am always struck by how much more reverent and beautiful they are than some run- of- the- mill Roman Masses one sees everywhere, he added.
This is astonishing news, wrote British Catholic journalist Damian Thompson for his religion blog at
The London Telegraph when the news broke on October 20.
Pope Benedict XVI has created an entirely new Church structure for disaffected Anglicans that will allow them to worship together using elements of Anglican liturgy under the pastoral supervision of their own specially appointed bishop or senior priest.
The Pope is now offering Anglicans worldwide corporate reunion on terms that will delight AngloCatholics. In theory, they can have their own married priests, parishes, and bishops and they will be free of liturgical interference by liberal Catholic bishops who are unsympathetic to their conservative stance, wrote Thompson.
Thompson, who is also the editor of The Catholic Herald, the major Catholic weekly in the United Kingdom, further explained the significance of this dramatic development: The Vatican would not use the phrase, but this is very close to the setting up of a Church within a Church. Yet that is not as unusual as it might seem: Eastern Rite Catholics have their own liturgy and church structures, and in America a small number of ex-Anglicans use service books that borrow from the
Book of Common Prayer.
Anglicans will have to request their own personal ordinariate, to use the Vaticans clunky term. How might that play out in England? This is just a guess, but the most pro-Roman C of E bishop, the Rt. Rev. Andrew Burnham, bishop of Ebbsfleet, could submit a request to Rome. He would be ordained a Catholic priest, and might himself be made ordinary (bishop in all but name) of ex- Anglican clergy and lay people who have been received into the Catholic Church together.
This unprecedented canonical structure will affect different countries and dioceses in different ways. But we are not talking about the creation of an Anglican Rite Catholic Church. Although some parishes will want to use the Anglican-usage liturgy, in England many exAnglican congregations will be only too happy to avail themselves of the new English translation of the Roman Rite, to be introduced next year.
This is a decision of supreme boldness and generosity by Pope Benedict XVI, comparable to his liberation of the Traditional Latin Mass. The implications of this announcement will take a long time to sink in, but I suspect that this will be a day of rejoicing for conservative Anglo-Catholics and their Roman Catholic friends all over the world.
The Telegraphs religion reporter, Andrew Brown, reporting just after a joint press conference announcing the Holy Fathers decision held by Anglican Archbishop Rowan Williams and Catholic Archbishop Vincent Nichols of Westminster, surmised that the Popes act implies The End of the Anglican Communion.
When it comes to elegant funerals, no one can beat the Vatican, he wrote. Look at the phrases with which it buried all hopes of reunion, or even significant negotiations, with the Anglican Communion, by announcing that it would now welcome whole groups of Anglicans, with their own bishops, liturgies, and even if they must have them wives, to become Roman Catholic priests. . . .
One of the things that this development means is that the Roman Catholic Church is no longer even pretending to take seriously the existence of the Anglican Communion as a coherent body.
Instead there are various sections of the Anglican tradition (not church or communion), some of which are still properly Christian and so able to become Roman Catholic. . . .
[T]odays announcement is the endgame in the Church of Englands long struggle against women priests. The Anglo- Catholic opponents have at last been offered a church without them, where they may keep their own organization. Thats all they ever really wanted.
It is simply not true to say, as Williams apparently did at his joint press conference with Archbishop Vincent Nichols, that there is nothing new in todays announcement, and that it should not be seen as a commentary on the Anglican Communion by Rome or as something which will have a negative effect on the Anglican Communion worldwide. . . .
[ W] hat else is in the story? wondered Brown. Who will leave? The top estimate would be about 2,000 priests out of 14,000, with as many of their congregations as they can persuade to come with them. I doubt it will be even half that many; but for anyone who is going to leave at the prospect of women bishops, the next six months will be decisive. Forward in Faith, the group which contains most of the Anglo-Catholic opponents of women, put out two press releases in quick succession. One, by the movements real leaders, was simply jubilant. The other, by the two flying bishops who will, presumably, head up the exodus, advised restraint until a big announcement in February.
The choice of venue for the announcement of the new apostolic constitution the Catholic archbishops headquarters at Eccleston Square, rather than the Anglicans Lambeth Palace was significant, reported the Guardians Riazat Butt.
In Eccleston Square, the admin-istrative headquarters of the Catholic Church of England and Wales, the Anglican archbishop of Canterbury and the Catholic archbishop of Westminster sat side by side on the top table in a show of unity, but the choice of location reflected the shift in power, reported Butt.
Both men played down any suggestion of tension brought on by the decision, but the unease became apparent in the question and answer session that followed. The archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, informed journalists that he only heard about the apostolic constitution a couple of weeks ago and that there was no input from or consultation with Lambeth Palace. His face reddened as he spoke and, at one point, the archbishop of Westminster, Vincent Nichols, answered questions relating to Williams leadership and authority.
Williams said: I do not think this constitution will be seen as in any sense a commentary on Anglican problems offered by the Vatican. It is a response to this range of requests and inquiries from a very broad variety of people, either Anglican or of Anglican heritage. In that sense it has no negative impact on the relations of the communion as a whole to the Roman Catholic Church as a whole. It is not an act of aggression, it is not a statement of no confidence. It is business as usual. Benedicts chief theological adviser, the William [Cardinal] Levada, who heads one of the most important Vatican departments, said the decree had been drawn up to respond to the numerous requests that have been submitted to the Holy See by groups of Anglican clerics and believers from various parts of the world who wish to enter into full and visible communion with Rome.
He said that, under the new arrangements, Anglican communities that joined the Catholic Church would be able to keep their own liturgy while remaining outside the existing dioceses. Their pastoral care would be entrusted instead to their own senior prelates, who would not necessarily become Catholic bishops. This is a way around the problem that in the Catholic Church, as in the Orthodox churches, married men are not allowed to become bishops.
Vatican Moves to Poach Traditional Anglicans, announced the
Times of London in a headline over a report by its religion editor Ruth Gledhill and Vatican correspondent Richard Owen.
The Roman Catholic Church today moved to poach thousands of traditional Anglicans who are dismayed by growing acceptance of gays and women priests and bishops, they wrote October 20.
The Archbishop of Canterbury Dr. Rowan Williams admitted that he had been caught out after Pope Benedict XVI announced a new apostolic constitution to provide a legal framework for the many thousands of Anglicans and former Anglicans who wish to enter into full visible communion with the Roman Catholic Church. . . .
Traditionalists, including up to six Church of England bishops, had visited and pleaded with Rome to provide some sort of structure inside the Catholic Church for their wing of the Church of England because of liberal moves toward women bishops and gay ordinations.
A Significant Date
Wanderer contributor Scott Richert commented on the significance of the date, October 20, that the apostolic constitution was announced in his column for the About. com Guide to Catholicism, and Pope Benedicts penchant for linking important acts with important feast days.
The Holy Sees announcement came on the Feast of St. Paul of the Cross, the Italian founder of the Passionists who devoted his life to the conversion of England.
Though St. Paul spent his life in Italy, Richert wrote, The Catholic Encyclopedia notes that for fifty years he prayed for the conversion of England, and left the devotion as a legacy to his [spiritual] sons. Almost 65 years after his death, the Passionists were first introduced into England, and The Catholic Encyclopedia declares that They came in the spirit of Apostles without gold or silver, without scrip or staff or shoes or two coats, yet they soon revived without commotion several Catholic customs and practices which had died out since the Reformation. They were the first to adopt strict community life, to wear their habit in public, to give missions and retreats to the people, and to hold public religious processions.
. . . All of this may simply be a coincidence. But considering Pope Benedicts sensitivity to the symbolism of dates, I dont think so. In any case, on this historic day, we can join St. Paul of the Cross in praying for the conversion of England.
VATICAN CITY ( ZENIT) – The Pope spoke of St. Bernard of Clairvaux in his general audience of October 21, and discussed how “ faith is above all a personal and intimate encounter with Jesus.”
Today I would like to speak about St. Bernard of Cla ...
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posted on
10/25/2009 6:06:57 AM PDT
by
GonzoII
To: Kolokotronis
Check out this Monastery pic K, its not on the “forbidden list2 ;0)
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posted on
10/25/2009 6:09:23 AM PDT
by
GonzoII
("That they may be one...Father")
To: GonzoII
Great picture, G. I have +Jude’s icon before me right now!
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posted on
10/25/2009 6:17:40 AM PDT
by
Kolokotronis
(Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
To: GonzoII
Instead there are various sections of the Anglican tradition (not church or communion), some of which are still properly Christian and so able to become Roman Catholic. . . I thought that was a delicate way of handling it.
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posted on
10/25/2009 6:21:12 AM PDT
by
livius
To: livius
Instead there are various sections of the Anglican tradition (not church or communion), some of which are still properly Christian and so able to become Roman Catholic. . .
"I thought that was a delicate way of handling it."
It was. Boy, I'd never make it in the "public arena", but I'm glad there people who can. ;0)
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posted on
10/25/2009 6:28:18 AM PDT
by
GonzoII
("That they may be one...Father")
To: GonzoII
Just making sure I understand — This means that Anglicans who go Roman Catholic do not have to be baptized again?
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posted on
10/25/2009 6:37:48 AM PDT
by
Salman
To: Salman
"Just making sure I understand This means that Anglicans who go Roman Catholic do not have to be baptized again?" That's right, nor does anyone who has been legitimately baptized.
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posted on
10/25/2009 6:46:04 AM PDT
by
GonzoII
("That they may be one...Father")
To: GonzoII
Does the Latin Church recognize Anglican marriages? I am assuming no.
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posted on
10/25/2009 6:55:29 AM PDT
by
Kolokotronis
(Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
To: Salman
Previously baptised converts to Roman Catholicism whatever their Protestant roots do not have to be re-baptised as a matter of full communion and membership in the Catholic Church. Generally, instructions (or RCIA) are, however. I am a converted Episcoplaian whom the Church even permitted particpation in Eucharist previous to my confirmaton, given a non-availability of my own church. There are generous exceptions in the Catholic Church at present and conversion (as an Episcopalian) in the instant case is essentially a litergical recognition, not some avenue for mass conversion of Anglicans, whatever their individual beliefs. At least that is the way I read it and have experienced it.
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posted on
10/25/2009 6:59:47 AM PDT
by
yetidog
To: Kolokotronis
"Does the Latin Church recognize Anglican marriages? I am assuming no." I need some help on that one.
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posted on
10/25/2009 7:28:34 AM PDT
by
GonzoII
("That they may be one...Father")
To: Kolokotronis
Marriages are presumed valid. I think that’s because the ministers of the marriage sacrament are actually the spouses.
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posted on
10/25/2009 7:32:30 AM PDT
by
B Knotts
(Calvin Coolidge Republican)
To: GonzoII; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
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posted on
10/25/2009 8:42:15 AM PDT
by
narses
("These are the days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed except his own.")
To: B Knotts
“Marriages are presumed valid. I think thats because the ministers of the marriage sacrament are actually the spouses.”
Interesting. I’ve heard that the Latin Church has a fundamentally different understanding of Marriage from what we believe. Orthodoxy only recognizes Roman Catholic, Oriental Orthodox, Coptic and Monophysite marriages and that is because the Mystery is conducted by a validly ordained priest.
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posted on
10/25/2009 9:56:53 AM PDT
by
Kolokotronis
(Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
To: GonzoII
I was an Anglican convert to Catholicism. Since I had been baptized as a baby, I had a “conditional baptism.” It was not really needed, but was just to make sure. Now probably that won’t be done unless people are uncertain about their baptism.
Baptism, as a sacrament, is normally administered by a priest, but it can in an emergency be done by anyone. All that is necessary are the words, “I baptize thee n. in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,” the matter—preferably but not necessarily sanctified water—and the intention—i.e., to baptize.
As already said, the sacrament of marriage is administered by the couple in question, with their exchange of vows. The priest “presides” and takes note of the marriage, which must be witnessed and entered into the records. But again in an emergency any couple can marry, using the proper words and a ring. An Episcopal marriage would be considered valid since basically the same words are used for the vow.
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posted on
10/25/2009 10:54:31 AM PDT
by
Cicero
(Marcus Tullius)
To: Kolokotronis
Ive heard that the Latin Church has a fundamentally different understanding of Marriage from what we believe. Orthodoxy only recognizes Roman Catholic, Oriental Orthodox, Coptic and Monophysite marriages and that is because the Mystery is conducted by a validly ordained priest. It isn't a "fundamentally different understanding of marriage" but a somewhat different understanding of the mechanics of actually administering the sacrament.
The western POV is that the bride and groom administer the sacrament to each other. The minister is technically a witness; in extremis Catholics can marry without a clergyman present (but they would need to repeat their vows if/when one became available).
Because of this, Protestant marriages are generally recognized as valid (because Protestant baptisms are generally recognized as valid).
(All the usual gotchas concerning divorce and remarriage still apply. A further exception: unless he has a dispensation, a Catholic is required for validity to obey "the Catholic form of marriage," so a Protestant wedding involving a Catholic who had not left the church would be invalid.)
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posted on
10/25/2009 1:51:35 PM PDT
by
Campion
("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
To: Campion
“The western POV is that the bride and groom administer the sacrament to each other.”
I never knew that. Is this where the vows and the “contract” theory of marriage come in?
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posted on
10/25/2009 4:02:49 PM PDT
by
Kolokotronis
(Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
To: Kolokotronis
The vows are the "form" of the sacrament. (Just as, in baptism, the words "N., I baptize you in the Name ..." are the "form" of the sacrament.)
Don't know exactly what you mean by the "contract theory of marriage", so I can't comment on that.
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posted on
10/26/2009 7:52:08 AM PDT
by
Campion
("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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