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Spooky: This Halloween, Protestants celebrate "Reformation Day"
American Papist ^ | October 16, 2009 | Thomas Peters

Posted on 10/16/2009 4:19:52 PM PDT by NYer

As we prepare for the Holloween season (which seems to become a bigger and bigger deal in the United States each year, and that probably isn't a healthy sign), let's see what our Protestant brothers and sisters are planning.

PCANews at the Christian Broadcasting Network website has come up with a way to overcome the satanic/occult aspects of Halloween - a Reformation Day party! They explain it:

October 31 celebrates the day that the Reformation in Europe began with Martin Luther posting his 95 theses on the Wittenburg church door, leading to a firestorm response in Germany. Why not use this occasion for a celebration of our Reformed heritage. And yes, this can be fun for the kids too!

[Here is what Reformation day involves:]

Why not have a celebration at church where all get dressed up as characters from the Reformation (I've dressed up as John Calvin, Martin Luther, a peasant, and even John Tetzel (the salesman of those infamous indulgences)? When I couldn't get a 16th century idea then I dressed as a Bible character. You can transform the fellowship hall into Wittenburg, Germany or Geneva. Here is an opportunity to go over the great "solas" of the Reformation: by Scripture alone, by grace alone, by Christ alone, by faith alone, and to God be the glory alone. Have people explain them. Show a video of one of the reformers. Draw murals of Reformation events.

Here are some other things our church has done over the years: Medieval line dancing (a lot like Scottish line dancing), Medieval relay races (put the indulgences in the bottle), bobbing for apples, German cover dish dinner, acting out your character (don't tell anyone who you are, but act it out -- the ideas are limited only by time and background).
It's ironic that protestants are choosing Holloween to celebrate the Reformation, considering that many Catholic families celebrate All Souls Day by dressing as Catholic saints. Of course - protestants probably won't be up for a good old-fashioned cult of the saints party like we are.

Then again, if protestants can play "put the indulgences in the bottle" to get in touch with their historical roots, and baptists can have bonfires burning Catholic bibles and books on spirituality by Catholic saints, maybe Catholics could celebrate Reformation Day by starting bonfires and burning figurines of heretics to get in touch with our historical roots? ;-)

(... I'm totally kidding of course. Well ... mostly.)


TOPICS: History; Mainline Protestant
KEYWORDS: churchhistory; halloween; moapb; protestant; reformation
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1 posted on 10/16/2009 4:19:53 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

I know a young Baptist whose mother asked the doctor to deliver her son on October 30 to avoid birth on Halloween, her due date.


2 posted on 10/16/2009 4:21:04 PM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer

What a load of baloney. They aren’t “choosing Halloween” - simply noting that it’s October 31.

This may not be the best method to talk about the Reformation, but to suggest they are “choosing Halloween” is ridiculous.

Many churches have alternate events in opposition to Halloween. This is a rather poor attempt to mix the avoidance of Halloween and noting the Reformation.


3 posted on 10/16/2009 4:26:54 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: NYer

They shouldn’t desecrate my favorite holiday in such a matter....


4 posted on 10/16/2009 4:28:23 PM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: NYer

I’ve never known Catholics to use the pejorative term, “Papist.”


5 posted on 10/16/2009 4:29:04 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Understand Natural Law to understand our Declaration of Independence & Constitution.)
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To: NYer

Well, this oughta be a fun thread.


6 posted on 10/16/2009 4:30:29 PM PDT by workerbee (If you vote for Democrats, you are engaging in UnAmerican Activity.)
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To: NYer

Sounds like a great idea to me. I hate Halloween, consider it a time for witches and satanists to celebrate their craft. We used to have harvest parties without the witches, ghosts and goblins.


7 posted on 10/16/2009 4:30:30 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: NYer

I’ve got a better idea. Instead of celebrating Halloween, celebrate November 5th, Guy Fawkes Day.


8 posted on 10/16/2009 4:33:53 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Marysecretary
"Sounds like a great idea to me. I hate Halloween, consider it a time for witches and satanists to celebrate their craft. We used to have harvest parties without the witches, ghosts and goblins."

I am afraid that too many of our Catholic "brothers and sisters" consider us Protestants to be in the same category as "witches and satanists".

9 posted on 10/16/2009 4:35:25 PM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Don't fire unless fired upon, but it they mean to have a war, let it begin here." J Parker, 1775)
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To: NYer
PCANews at the Christian Broadcasting Network website has come up with a way to overcome the satanic/occult aspects of Halloween - a Reformation Day party! They explain it:

Ummm. That's every Oct. 31. Nothing special about this year.

And, would that they would remark on it. I suspect many American evangelicals don't have a clue of the significance of the day.

I've been working on my scraggly beard since the beginning of summer. Now to find a black beret. This is the look I'm aiming at:


10 posted on 10/16/2009 4:36:51 PM PDT by Lee N. Field (Don't let a pomo count your change (or make your burgers, or teach your children...))
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To: All

WOW I love Halloween!
It just gets better every year!


11 posted on 10/16/2009 4:37:18 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: NYer
Why not have a celebration at church where all get dressed up as characters from the Reformation (I've dressed up as John Calvin, Martin Luther, a peasant, and even John Tetzel

Oh, sure. I'll bet that goes over big with the kids.

Seriously, I wouldn't get too wound up about it, I've personally never heard of such a thing. Not that I'm the go-to guy on protestant lore or anything...

But what I observe is that churches are commonly holding halloween parties for the kids for two reasons, one being for reasons of safety and the other to replace the satanic aspects. Kids are encouraged to wear costumes, but anything satanic is obviously not welcome. Food, fun, and you open and close with a prayer.

12 posted on 10/16/2009 4:37:18 PM PDT by marron
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To: workerbee

Halloween is getting bigger and bigger among adults in recent years. And Halloween is one of the biggest holidays of the year in the “gay” community. And we know the “gay” community has become more visible and open. And some adults, esp. children of the ‘60s who never grew up, are big on Halloween parties.


13 posted on 10/16/2009 4:38:42 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: NYer

Many Evangelical churches are having “Hallelujah” parties to give the kids an alternative to the ugly and scary occultic images with which so many infantile adults now decorate their homes.


14 posted on 10/16/2009 4:40:15 PM PDT by Dr. Thorne (Buy Gold and Guns Now!)
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To: NYer
One year, my daughter dressed as St. Lucy, with her eyes on a plate.

Occasionally somebody answered the door who knew who she was!

15 posted on 10/16/2009 4:44:05 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Jacquerie
I’ve never known Catholics to use the pejorative term, “Papist.”

We do call ourselves Papist, but with tongue gently in cheek.

16 posted on 10/16/2009 4:45:26 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Redleg Duke

Oh, yes, we’ve had a couple of interesting threads running that indicate that possibility.


17 posted on 10/16/2009 4:46:38 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: Redleg Duke
I am afraid that too many of our Catholic "brothers and sisters" consider us Protestants to be in the same category as "witches and satanists".

Well, Protestants call us idolatrists who worship the Whore of Babylon, so hey, it all evens out.

18 posted on 10/16/2009 4:48:27 PM PDT by workerbee (If you vote for Democrats, you are engaging in UnAmerican Activity.)
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To: NYer

My grandfather was born Oct 31,1900, he died Dec.23, 2000.


19 posted on 10/16/2009 4:54:05 PM PDT by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.... Obama even worse than Carter.)
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To: NYer
Well let's see....
carve pumplin, check
get out witch costume, check
new batteries in silly blinking pumpkin headband, check
stock up on really, really good candy, check
let the fun begin.

Halloween is not satanic, people. Get a grip.

20 posted on 10/16/2009 4:54:31 PM PDT by Conservative4Ever (Man the pitchforks and torches.......let the revolution begin)
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To: AnAmericanMother
One year, my daughter dressed as St. Lucy, with her eyes on a plate.

I thought about going as St. Agatha this year - you know, it being breast cancer awareness month and all.

21 posted on 10/16/2009 4:55:55 PM PDT by Desdemona (True Christianity requires open hearts and open minds - not blind hatred.)
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To: NYer

So, I can go to such a party as Lady Montague? Despite it all in England she was a stalwart Catholic, but still a figure of the revolt.


22 posted on 10/16/2009 4:58:28 PM PDT by Desdemona (True Christianity requires open hearts and open minds - not blind hatred.)
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To: F15Eagle
What a load of baloney. They aren’t “choosing Halloween” - simply noting that it’s October 31.

LOL,

Now, now, don't get in the way of the poster's desire to poke at the hornet's nest.

23 posted on 10/16/2009 5:09:57 PM PDT by Col Freeper (FR is a smorgasbord of Conservative thoughts and ideas - dig in and enjoy it to its fullest!)
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To: NYer

I’ll put on a Keith Obermann costume and scare the hell out of everybody.

Halloween is a fun time in my family, we always treat the youngsters coming to the door with good treats, decorate the lawn and trees with ghosts and goblins and large monster balloons. So, in our household, let the good times and the heads roll.


24 posted on 10/16/2009 5:23:35 PM PDT by BlueStateBlues (Blue State business, Red State heart. . . . .Palin 2012----can't come soon enough!)
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To: NYer
Back home, my church usually had Reformation Sunday and at times a small service on Oct. 31.

But it was a bigger thing in Lutheran synods. Often, all Saints Sunday was either celebrated at the same time, or on November 1.

25 posted on 10/16/2009 5:30:17 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: NYer

Oh brother.


26 posted on 10/16/2009 5:39:52 PM PDT by Melian ("frequently in error, rarely in doubt")
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To: Redleg Duke

***I am afraid that too many of our Catholic “brothers and sisters” consider us Protestants to be in the same category as “witches and satanists”.***

Nonsense. There are no such things as witches.


27 posted on 10/16/2009 5:42:09 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Lee N. Field

***I’ve been working on my scraggly beard since the beginning of summer. Now to find a black beret. This is the look I’m aiming at:***

I’ll try to dig up somebody to burn at the stake for ya. :)


28 posted on 10/16/2009 5:43:24 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: NYer

Of Course, the origin of Halloween was that it was the “eve of All Hallows” or the night before All Saints Day, a day on which ALL the departed saints (small “s”, meaning everyone who had died in Christ)was honored! sO HA HA HA! The joke is on the witches and goblins! Halloween is a CHRISTIAN Holiday!

Personally, I enjoy the nonsense. It is the one day of the year everyone laughs at the one thing everybody on the planet is AFRAID of...death.

I love the Lord, By the way. Peace and love to ALL my brothers and sisters out there!


29 posted on 10/16/2009 5:54:30 PM PDT by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: MarkBsnr

Just curious about your tagline. Could you tell me where it’s from?


30 posted on 10/16/2009 5:56:42 PM PDT by dorothy ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: dorothy

***Just curious about your tagline. Could you tell me where it’s from?***

Certainly. It is a quote from St. Augustine in his Against the Heretics as part of his explanation as to why the Catholic Church was the correct one and all the other churches were inventions of men and therefore incorrect.


31 posted on 10/16/2009 6:08:42 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

Thanks. I knew I’d read it somewhere, but couldn’t remember where.


32 posted on 10/16/2009 6:19:38 PM PDT by dorothy (“Wisdom cries out loud in the streets, she raises her voice in the squares…" Proverbs 1:20)
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To: dorothy

***Thanks. I knew I’d read it somewhere, but couldn’t remember where.***

I remember when I first remembered it and used it as a tagline here on FR. I had many children of the Reformation violently object to it; when they found out that it was a quote (and taken in context) from St. Augustine, the challenges dropped to only occasional. A knowledge of the early Church does much to indicate the development of Christian theology and therefore what we need to believe.


33 posted on 10/16/2009 6:34:25 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: workerbee
No, it is plain wrong from both aspects, and if you are looking for moral equivalency, you are neither moral or equivalent!

We shall all stand before our Father eventually and answer for our transgressions

34 posted on 10/16/2009 6:35:42 PM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Don't fire unless fired upon, but it they mean to have a war, let it begin here." J Parker, 1775)
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To: MarkBsnr
I’ll try to dig up somebody to burn at the stake for ya. :)

"Heretics roasting on an open fire
Jack Frost nipping at your nose.."

Oops, that's a Christmas song.

35 posted on 10/16/2009 7:16:22 PM PDT by Lee N. Field (An armed society is a polite society. So keep your soi-disant "prophets" off my lawn.)
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To: Lee N. Field

***”Heretics roasting on an open fire
Jack Frost nipping at your nose..”

Oops, that’s a Christmas song.***

But seriously, folks. The Church teaches that heresy is as heresy does and excommunication is the acknowledgement of the Church as to the wishes of the individual. Same as we believe that God does not condemn. We believe that God merely accomodates the wishes of the individual as to the desire for heaven or hell based upon his actions and his belief in God.


36 posted on 10/16/2009 7:45:45 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: NYer

This is ridiculous, and I am an evangelical protestant. Our church has a “trunk or treat” where kids go trick or treating from one car to another.

When I was a kid at Catholic school, our school Halloween festival was the big thing in town.

I love Halloween. Not for the modern stuff, but for the history of it. October 31 was the eve of All Saints, when the veil between this world and the next was thin. Children would go house to house and get “soul cakes” in exchange for praying for the dead. Halloween has a very rich history and my only gripe with it is the fact that we have lost the history. I would love to hand out “soul cakes” instead of candy.


37 posted on 10/16/2009 8:33:28 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: AnAmericanMother

I love it!


38 posted on 10/16/2009 8:34:16 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: left that other site

It is the one day of the year everyone laughs at the one thing everybody on the planet is AFRAID of...death.

- - - - - - -
Actually, I am not afraid of death. Of course, I study/write about it for a living, so...


39 posted on 10/16/2009 8:36:00 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found; was blind but now I see")
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To: AnAmericanMother
One year, my daughter dressed as St. Lucy, with her eyes on a plate.

We have a statue of St. Lucy in our church. One of the parishioners recently climbed a ladder to dust her off and suddenly began to chortle. Stepping down, he whispered ..... This is the money you could have been saving with GEICO.

We all cracked up :-)

40 posted on 10/16/2009 8:39:04 PM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer

We celebrate Reformation Sunday on the week after Halloween.

But we don’t burn anything.


41 posted on 10/16/2009 9:19:30 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: F15Eagle

Plus they are missing the Eve of All Hallows.......Vigil of All Saints Day


42 posted on 10/16/2009 10:04:46 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer
Many students have been celebrating "Reformation Day" at my Presbyterian-affiliated alma mater for years. Many of the Protestant churches in the town have celebrated it as well. There was never any burning of anything; it was mostly a day that those students and several professors used to celebrate their heritage as Protestants. In my years there, it was very unoffensive.

Most of the Catholic students have either ignored it or laughed it off... every once in a while some would wear tame Halloween costumes just because they could.

43 posted on 10/17/2009 1:25:14 AM PDT by GCC Catholic (0bama, what are you hiding? Just show us the birth certificate...)
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To: NYer

Cool idea! I also like the Fall festival themes, too.


44 posted on 10/17/2009 5:55:25 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Lee N. Field

“”Heretics roasting on an open fire
Jack Frost nipping at your nose..”

This is another:

Christians roasting on an open fire,
Lions nipping at their toes..”

That one almost got me expelled from my Catholic High.

Nuns don’t do tongue-in-cheek!


45 posted on 10/17/2009 6:13:59 AM PDT by OpusatFR (Those embryos are little humans in progress. Using them for profit is slavery.)
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To: NYer

I’m envisioning the young trick-or-treaters showing up at our door dressed as vampires, witches and reformers!


46 posted on 10/17/2009 11:12:18 AM PDT by Huber (And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. - John 1:5)
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To: NYer

47 posted on 10/17/2009 3:36:11 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: NYer
We don't need to know when Halloween falls this year. What we need to know is, when's it going to end?
48 posted on 10/17/2009 3:46:46 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Fearing for the republic 24/7.)
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To: AnAmericanMother

ROFL!!! Okay ... that’s bad, making fun of a saint but, I just couldn’t help myself :-). St. Rafqa, one of the Maronite saints, had to have an eye removed and chose to do so without any anesthesia or pain killers, out of love for our Lord. Still ... it’s a challenging image to view.


49 posted on 10/17/2009 3:50:32 PM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: the invisib1e hand
ROFL ... thank you for that link!

I don't know about anywhere else, but in New York City, every day is Halloween.

Isn't that the truth!!! I worked in Manhattan for more than 20 years. During one mini depression, I watched folks bathe in a fountain on 6th Avenue. There was a homeless woman who pushed a shopping cart filled with her belongings and had a dog tied to the cart. When she died, they went through her personal possessions and found a bankbook with $60,000! In New York City, there is a school for professional beggars. Truly, in New York City, everyday is Halloween.

50 posted on 10/17/2009 3:54:57 PM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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