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Something for Christians to think about
self | 10/12/09 | hiram569

Posted on 10/12/2009 11:19:43 AM PDT by hiram569

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By hiram569 at 2009-10-12

Something for Christians to think about

Many people in the world have already declared Barack Hussein Obama to be their messiah. Obama has never refuted such claims and has made fun of the Bible and of Jesus Christ. Many people blindly follow Obama to wherever his teleprompter leads them.

I am not a theologian, nor do I pretend to be anything but a simple man. Jesus however, plainly warned us that many would come along and say that they were Christ and what would occur because of that. Here is an example from the Bible, located in Matthew chapter 24:
"4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake."

I am simply raising a question that I can give no answer. In a day when it has become increasingly more popular and acceptable to bash and to openly hate Christians: Is America facing a time of God’s judgment?


TOPICS: Activism; Current Events; General Discusssion; History
KEYWORDS: antichrist; christ; judgment; messiah; obama

1 posted on 10/12/2009 11:19:44 AM PDT by hiram569
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To: hiram569
Is America facing a time of God’s judgment?

It'd be hard to argue against that...
2 posted on 10/12/2009 11:21:44 AM PDT by OldGuard1
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To: hiram569

If he’s not the Antichrist, he sure plays one on TV.


3 posted on 10/12/2009 11:22:28 AM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: hiram569

“Is America facing a time of God’s judgment?”

Yep!


4 posted on 10/12/2009 11:22:55 AM PDT by DarthVader (Liberalism is the politics of EVIL whose time of judgment has come.)
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To: Genoa

He’s not the Antichrist, but he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.


5 posted on 10/12/2009 11:24:02 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: DarthVader

I agree.


6 posted on 10/12/2009 11:25:29 AM PDT by unkus
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To: hiram569

2 Thessalonians is quite an interesting read right now....that’s for sure.


7 posted on 10/12/2009 11:30:01 AM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear ($$$$$OBAMA MONEY!!!$$$$$)
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To: hiram569

I would say he is not THE anti-Christ but AN anti-Christ.


8 posted on 10/12/2009 11:30:47 AM PDT by svcw (Legalism reinforces self-righteousness - it communicates to you the good news of your own goodness)
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To: hiram569

Ovomit is not the anti Christ but I do believe he is paving the way for the anti Christ....


9 posted on 10/12/2009 11:32:53 AM PDT by Kimmers (Be the kind of person when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, Oh crap, she's awake)
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To: hiram569
The forgotten and key word in those scriptures is many....

Obama may or may not be the AntiChrist.
But time will tell, as always.

10 posted on 10/12/2009 11:42:59 AM PDT by CourtneyLeigh (Why can't all of America be Commonwealth?)
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To: hiram569

There will be no Christmas in Washington AC this year because three wise men could not be found. There are plenty donkeys though.


11 posted on 10/12/2009 11:43:25 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: hiram569
One more thing, All of the nations will be facing a time of judgment, throughout scriptures (Isaiah, Revelations) this is foretold. It is no surprise, it is not to be revered or thought upon... just know and be aware.
12 posted on 10/12/2009 11:45:46 AM PDT by CourtneyLeigh (Why can't all of America be Commonwealth?)
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To: svcw

exactly


13 posted on 10/12/2009 11:46:37 AM PDT by CourtneyLeigh (Why can't all of America be Commonwealth?)
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To: svcw
“I would say he is not the Antichrist”

I agree, BUT: The Illinois pick 3 the day after his election came up 666. His Chicago zip code was 60606. He was born 8,4, 1961, the 216th day of the year,(6x6x6 equals 216). He was born in Hawaii, latitude 21.6. Revolations 13:4 speaks of the beast, the 216th verse of the apocalypse. Inaugurated on 1,20, 2009, and multiplying 1x2x2x9, you get 36. Add all the numbers of 36, l,2,3,etc. you get 216. Antichrist? No. But man he sure has a lot in common with him.

14 posted on 10/12/2009 11:47:19 AM PDT by Murp
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To: hiram569
Maybe I'm just grumpy today, but there have been dozens, perhaps even a hundred threads on FR suggesting, asking, refuting such topics as Obama is the anti-Christ, and we are/are not in the end times.

Christians HAVE been thinking about it, sometimes endlessly. I'm irritated that first, you seem to think no one else has had this thought, and second that you posted a whole thread with so little to add to the conversation.

15 posted on 10/12/2009 11:49:28 AM PDT by Dianna
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To: hiram569
Was little coverage of this, but the Obama`s private charitable giving showed that ZERO money went to zero Christian charities.

I wrote this guy off as a loser years ago. He is not a Christian, and that is not judgmental for me to say that.

For those that still need convincing? Firstly he supports abortion, for me that`s all I need, it` my own little litmus test. I mean anybody that votes Democrat, is voting for abortion, gay marriage, taking crosses down from veterans cemetery's etc...the list is long. So Christian Democrat is a oxymoron right from the start! Jimmy Carter is also a NON Christian.

We do not know who the Anti Christ is. Christians will be caught up in the air with Christ (the Rapture) Anti Christ will not be revealed until after the rapture.

Not trying to sound like a Theologian, but according to my reading of the scriptures along with a great booklet put out by RBC Ministries The Daily Bread people. According to this, Christians will already have been raised up with Christ and been before the Judgment seat of Christ. Then will the Anti Christ be revealed.

He could be here now, if the Lord is returning soon, but we do not know who he is and will not

Christ returns in the air,Rapture or whatever you want to call it (Christians are with Christ in the air)

Then the rise of Anti Christ

Followed by unparalleled trouble

Return to the earth

1000 year reign

Final judgment (only for those that rejected Christ through time)

New World

16 posted on 10/12/2009 11:51:43 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge ( Yes I Love Sarah Palin!! I wish she were mine.)
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To: Murp

Play with numbers like that long enough and you can make anyone out to be the AC. I seriously doubt that the “666” mentioned in the Bible is in reference to any of those things.


17 posted on 10/12/2009 11:52:53 AM PDT by GLDNGUN (PALIN/GINGRICH 2012 since 7/04/09)
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To: GLDNGUN

“Play with numbers”

Lighten up. It’s a rainy day and the numbers are what they are. Just having a little fun, thank you!!


18 posted on 10/12/2009 11:58:20 AM PDT by Murp
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To: GLDNGUN

“Play with numbers”

Lighten up. It’s a rainy day and the numbers are what they are. Just having a little fun, thank you!!


19 posted on 10/12/2009 11:58:36 AM PDT by Murp
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To: svcw

Daniel 8:25..


20 posted on 10/12/2009 11:59:32 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: hiram569
The last time I debated whether 0bama is the AntiCHRIST or not, someone put forth one of the best theories I've seen. It goes like this:

Since GOD is the only one that knows when CHRIST will return, Satan has to be ready. Satan therefore has been producing evil beings like Hitler and 0bama who can be transformed into the AntiCHRIST. I'm not sure if this fits the scriptures, but sounds very logical.

One more thought: Hitler is responsible for the deaths of at least 20 million people, maybe more. 0bama, particularly since he is using OUR money to finance abortions abroad, could very well be responsible for many more.

21 posted on 10/12/2009 12:09:40 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (FUBO - When 0bama Fails, Freedom Prevails!)
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To: hiram569

Progressing from Messiah to Pariah, and from “The One” to “The One-Termer”.


22 posted on 10/12/2009 12:12:00 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: hiram569
Is America facing a time of God’s judgment?

No. We are reaping what we have sown. It's a law that is being manifested. You sow to evil, you reap evil.

The restrainer, the Holy Spirit, is holding back the total manifestation of it. IF we think what we are going through is bad now, it's, merely, just the beginning.
23 posted on 10/12/2009 12:19:57 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: svcw

I absolutely agree. He isn’t the antichrist, but he has definitely proved that the world is gullible enough for the antichrist to take power. I was and still am amazed at the thoughtless, zombie-like trance that Obama’s followers exhibit.


24 posted on 10/12/2009 12:20:29 PM PDT by Hambone02
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To: OldGuard1

I’d say America is currently experiencing the absence of God. There will be no question about whether or not we are experiencing God’s judgement when He decides to deliver it.


25 posted on 10/12/2009 12:22:30 PM PDT by Hambone02
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Not just BO but everyone who has ever pulled a lever for any anti-life candidate has blood on their hands. Satan has come to kill/rob/destroy - aligns right w/abortion. And to think he would not be in office if Christians hadn’t voted for him! Yep, we are reaping what has been sown for years!

They cry freedom - what God has given us in this great nation - and they, themselves, deny it (in actions) to the unborn.


26 posted on 10/12/2009 12:26:08 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Hambone02
I was and still am amazed at the thoughtless, zombie-like trance that Obama’s followers exhibit.

I, too, am still amazed and wonder, at times, will I ever 'get it'. While I understand what happened, I never ever thought that Christians would ever vote for anyone who was 'anti-life'. Fact is, they aren't Christians - there is no truth in them - much less obedience to The Word. The Notre Dame fiasco and Georgetown 'deny God' are just two recent openly defiant actions against The Word. They totally played into the hands of the enemy.

What we see is people who are deceived. Satan is the father of lies/deception. It's the 'let me do what I think is right' with NO obedience to The Word. Like juveniles who give no heed to their parents because it's a different world, parents don't get it, I need my independence to make my own mistakes, etc. Consequences always follow sin. Zombie-like trance is exactly what it is!
27 posted on 10/12/2009 12:42:56 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Kimmers; svcw

You’re both spot-on. Amen.


28 posted on 10/12/2009 12:45:08 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Friendofgeorge

I wish I were as confident about a pretrib rapture as you are.
Here’s a friendly suggestion: Let’s make sure we’re ready for the rapture and the tribulation both. That’s a win-win no matter who’s right.


29 posted on 10/12/2009 12:51:03 PM PDT by Genoa (Luke 12:2)
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To: hiram569
The truth is that the world is blind to the spiritual world around us, which is filled with demons and angels, the powers of light and the powers of darkness.

(Ephesian 6:10-12; 1 Cor. 2:12-14 ). The lost world is woefully blind and unaware that there is a spiritual battle between God and the forces of darkness for our very souls. Jesus Christ stated that Satan, "was a murderer from the beginning" and that he is the "father of lies".

(John 8:44 ). The scriptures state that Satan seeks to blind the lost from the soul saving gospel of Jesus Christ (2 Cor. 4:3-4 ) and that even after God implants the seed of the good news of salvation through Jesus Christ in the human heart, Satan attempts to snatch it away before one comes to saving faith (Luke 8 ).

30 posted on 10/12/2009 12:53:34 PM PDT by SweetCaroline (We have the right to debate & disagree with this & any administration ! H. Clinton)
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To: Genoa

Right. Anyone who is against Christ, is considered anti-Christ. When he had the cross covered before he gave a speech at Georgetown is proof of his anti-Christ stance. His belief and telling the world, USA is not a Christian nation is another.

Whether he will be the leader of the one world gov’t and “The” anti-Christ for the world or he’s just paving the way for America to be lead to the submission of the one world gov’t doesn’t matter - same result.


31 posted on 10/12/2009 12:55:25 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: hiram569

Nah, it’s already been proven false. Jesus Christ was a carpenter, and Obama can’t even build a cabinet without it falling apart...


32 posted on 10/12/2009 12:56:33 PM PDT by tarawa
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To: hiram569

Yes, we are being punished but not for Obama, by Obama, we failed to uphold the word of the Lord long ago, and only because of that could Obama come into power, I would say all the Lord needs to do is leave us to our own devices, we’ll destroy ourselves by the very nature of abandoning Him.


33 posted on 10/12/2009 12:58:36 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: Murp
Lighten up. It’s a rainy day and the numbers are what they are. Just having a little fun, thank you!!

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know this was a comedy anti-Christ thread. My bad! ;-)
34 posted on 10/12/2009 12:59:13 PM PDT by GLDNGUN (PALIN/GINGRICH 2012 since 7/04/09)
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To: Friendofgeorge

RIGHT ON!! Good post. We will not know who the leader of the one world gov’t will be but we certainly got a view of how people will be deceived!


35 posted on 10/12/2009 12:59:41 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Murp
The Illinois pick 3 the day after his election came up 666

Didn't know that! Truth is revealed in many ways. Some may pass it off as coincidence but there is enough truth in his anti Christ actions - if anyone needs convincing.
36 posted on 10/12/2009 1:04:39 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Murp

1x2x0x2x0x0x9=0, not 36.

BTW, 36x37/2=666, not 216 (the sum of the numbers 1 through N is Nx(N+1)/2).

What were the lottery numbers in any of the other 56 states that have three digit picks on that day?

What was his zip code in any of the other places he lived?

Why are we adding up numbers in some cases, multiplying them in others, and taking the cube root in others?

And finally, would you happen to have proof he was born on the 216th day of the year?


37 posted on 10/12/2009 1:05:48 PM PDT by Darth Reardon
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To: Dianna
I mean no offense and do not pretend to know what Obama is, or what he represents theologically. I have noticed that many Christians are following him blindly down his road to ruin. I just find it disturbing and felt like saying something about it.
38 posted on 10/12/2009 2:35:52 PM PDT by hiram569
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To: Dianna
No offense intended. I have noticed that a lot of Christians have got on to the Obama-Worship bandwagon and this makes me uncomfortable. I cannot change the belief of those who have already accepted Obama as their messiah.
Sorry to have brought up a sore subject. Maybe I find it cathartic to write about the issue, since there is absolutely nothing that I can do to correct the problem.
39 posted on 10/12/2009 2:36:11 PM PDT by hiram569
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To: hiram569
Maybe I find it cathartic to write about the issue, since there is absolutely nothing that I can do to correct the problem.

As I said, I am grumpy today.

40 posted on 10/12/2009 3:30:17 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: Dianna
As I said, I am grumpy today.

Q: Do you wake up grumpy in the morning?

A: No, I just let him sleep.

Stay in bed when you feel that way...works fer me!!! ;o)

41 posted on 10/12/2009 8:58:32 PM PDT by boatbums (Pro-woman, pro-child, pro-life!)
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To: boatbums

It’s raining, it’s pouring
The old man is snoring.
Went to bed, bumped his head,
Didn’t get up in the morning.

... I puzzled over these lines in my infant days, and they still retain a transcendent meaning for me.


42 posted on 10/12/2009 9:05:51 PM PDT by dr_lew
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