Posted on 10/04/2009 3:26:53 PM PDT by Pride_of_the_Bluegrass
Mark Thompson found an interesting quote that is relevant to the current healthcare debate:
Nor is there any reason why the state should not assist the individuals in providing for those common hazards of life against which, because of their uncertainty, few individuals can make adequate provision. Where, as in the case of sickness and accident, neither the desire to avoid such calamities nor the efforts to overcome their consequences are as a rule weakened by the provision of assistance – where, in short, we deal with genuinely insurable risks – the case for the state’s helping to organize a comprehensive system of social insurance is very strong. . . . Wherever communal action can mitigate disasters against which the individual can neither attempt to guard himself nor make the provision for the consequences, such communal action should undoubtedly be taken, . . .
Here’s a sign of the times: If a libertarian cable TV personality or a conservative talk radio host were to hear this quote they would likely accuse its author of espousing socialism. No doubt they’d be shocked to find the passage is found in their favorite anti-socialist tome, F.A.Hayek’s The Road to Serfdom.
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[No doubt they’d be shocked to find the passage is found in their favorite anti-socialist tome, F.A.Hayek’s The Road to Serfdom.]
Last I checked, neither Obama nor Hayek were made God.
The same rules apply to all free lunch schemes, they all collapse as the leeches accumulate.
Anyone else worried that we are becoming the mirror image of what we hold in contempt? I know I am.
I would need to read the entire work by Hayek to comment. Just plucking a quote without some context seems misleading.
So be something else.
He is talking about disasters which the affected individual could not reasonably have been expected to carry insurance for.
Just trying to figure out who’s alter that I am worshipping at and why. I do listen to talk radio and have been following Free Republic for some time now. I worry that we have become lesser men due to our passions.
This is nonsense. Utter nonsense. I have seen conflicting perspectives on these folks right here at FR, the epicenter of American conservatism. Are there vehement defenders of same? Sure. But don't complain to me about the "cult of conservatism" when we have media comparing the faux president to God Himself and his followers chanting "mmm mmm mmm" in the public school.
Puh-leez.
That's fairly convoluted.
There is one altar at which to worship, and it does not belong to a political party. If you’re confused about supporting a candidate and “worship”, your problems run deeper than “gee, what’s with the conservative movement these days.”
Do some of the things posted on this forum ever make you cringe? Some responses to every day news some times make me wonder about my fellow Republicans.
Obtuse posters make my spidey sense tingle.
Yawn. We believe in individual liberty above communal cohesion, which makes this argument asinine.
Well before enslaving me to people I`ve never incurred any debt to,how about answering this: What is freedom, ownership of self? Then if we have the inalienable right to freedom,by what right do they claim to absolve these leeches of their responsibilities and place them,forcibly, upon others?
You see, simply put, it only works if you don`t believe in the inalienable right of the individual to freedom, secured by personal responsibility. In which case you are a supporter of some kind of slavery, what ever else you may call it.
But, when opposing Democrats, the sharpness and simple mindedness of the liberatarian message is a good place to start negotiations. Using libertarian concepts as weapons does not mean one has joined a cult or has rejected the goals of conservativism.
Anyone else worried that we are becoming the mirror image of what we hold in contempt? I know I am.
I am, what? worried or becoming the mirror image?
Shocked? Not at all.
Conservatives are not anarchists. We realize that there are situations in which individuals must take communal action to secure their rights. For that reason, we support limited government.
But note: "communal action" is not synonymous with "government action." Friends and neighbors can and do work together as a community to mitigate all sorts of problems, without the need for bureaucrats, government officials, legislators, judges, presidents or kings to tell us what to do.
Oh,am I onto something here? So, you consider yourself a Republican first? I`m an INDIVIDUAL American, first and foremost.Then,and only then, am I a member of some party. And thats only if they support the belief in our individual inalienable right to “Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”, you know, that whole constitution thingy. Seems that lately, your party has kinda forgotten some of that “thingy”.
quote from article: Shouldn’t we hold our pundits and politicians to the same standard of behavior—no screaming, lying, talking gibberish, or fake crying on national television.
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Is not that the strategy for the last 40+yrs?, and conservatism has gotten its doors blown off by the left using Alsinsky’s rules,
So now in its fight for politcal life…the conservatives finally learn to use Alsinsky and Sun Tsu….
…..and you want to label them a cult…?
We should go quietly into the night? Sounds alot like Mccain campaign blueblood Rino’ism
“I have seen conflicting perspectives on these folks right here at FR, the epicenter of American conservatism.”
Indeed. And here at the epicenter of American conservatism, Freepers are shut down by the mods for questioning the actions of such “natural allies” as Beck. The article is not nonsense. Its something to be concerned about.
Flavor-Aid party at Clemenza’s house, with Glenn Beck as Master of Ceremonies. We will sacrifice Rahm Emanuel to the God Maha Rush-i to the sounds of Ted Nugent.
“Bull Puckey.”
Do you think what I posted is not true? Is that what prompted your well thought out response?
I was clear.
I’m obtuse for not agreeing with the premise of this essay? So be it. Tingle away, spidey.
“I was clear.”
And if you were to receive proof that this site, through its moderator shuts down criticism of Beck because he is a “natural ally”, what would your response be, eh?
No I was talking about the OP. I tingle not for you. LOL
Show me the proof and find out.
This isn't a GOP site. It's a Conservative site.
I don't see how capitalism is a cult. It works.
I don't see how being pro-life is a cult. It protects the individual not groups.
I don't see how limited gov't is a cult. Marxism is a cult. It doesn't work.
The Constitution and Freedom are not a cults.
I think you're a confused Democrat.
In a thread entitled “Re: Fox News’ Glenn Beck’s right-wing rants go way too far, critics charge”
I was told that Beck was our natural ally by the Admin moderator and that I wasn’t allowed to go after him. I have an email from another Freeper complaining that I was reprimanded, as he put it over this. I just checked the thread and see, surprise surprise, that all my posts there and the reprimand are missing. Maybe the Mod would put them back.
The mods own this forum and may do as they please with regards to shutting down threads. I can’t say I’ve seen it happen enough that I worry there’s some sort of groupthink at work here.
Be concerned, go right ahead. IMO it’s a sad day when conservatives find something worrisome about cohesion.
Oh.
*blush*
Okay. thx
I doubt there’s a single poster here that I haven’t argued with at one point. Other times I agree.
If you are so upset and this site makes you cringe, by all means leave us and forget that we were ever on the same conservative side.
I guess it would all depend on what was said. I see some pretty rough things said about Beck pretty much every day. Also the mods are people too. More often than not, things are removed due to complaints from others. Personally that’s not my style. I’d rather say what I have to say and get it out in the open.
I was once given a 24 hour time out for a comment promoting violence. Funny thing was that I was talking about a video game and I’m guessing a mod wasn’t paying close attention.
You’ve proven your point in part but your post is back up which is far more freedom than you will find on most forums.
Some stuff makes me cringe. How can the GOP be a valid 21st century political party when so many of its members disbelieve in minimum wages, social security, wage and hour laws, worker’s comp, medicare, regulation of financial markets, and child labor laws.
It is my opinion that they have been infected by LICE (Libertarians Infiltrating Conservative Entities) since early 80’s late 70’s. As a rsult, the GOP has turned into a party of gov’t nihilists who no longer believe in limited govt’ but believe in no gov’t.
parsy, the contrarian
TROLL!!!!
LOL
I’m not a big fan of minimum wages but mostly because of the current arguments used to promote raising it. Without a minimum wage laws, a shop paying $3 would lose their employees to the shop down the street paying $4.
We’re stuck with social security and that’s all there is to it.
My mother was a truck driver and was excluded from wage an hour laws so I find no disagreement there.
Workers comp is fine for those injured because of their job. Only an idiot would disagree with reasonable child labor laws. And the only thing worse than over regulation of financial markets is no regulation of financial markets.
Cripplecreek, who finds Parsy to be a little odd but pretty OK.
Yes it is called the Cult Of AMERICA,a Land and culture that Flourished long ,long ago in a place Far, Far,away
“We’re stuck with social security and that’s all there is to it.”
Yep. And I pity the politician who ever comes and calls for its abolition.
parsy, who is waiting for it
And just how well are Social Security and Medicare working out for us? (Hint: the unfunded obligations for both programs add up to $42.9 trillion.) For that matter, how well has government regulation of the financial markets been working?
**Yes it is called the Cult Of AMERICA**
While I agree with many of Hayek’s ideas.. He did not write the CONSTITUTION!!
As for Soc Sec and Medicare... give me my money back and I’ll take care of myself.
The authors are not all “conservative” but all are either Christian (mostly Catholic) with a few religious Jews on occasion.
We as Christan's MUST remember that Jesus is not about politics. Otherwise we risk forgotten the Gospel.
Currently, the Republican party is closer in line to what most religious Christians believe. That has not always been the case, and is even now open to question.
There are many so called “sacred cows” that are not to be touched here.
But I am a follow of Christ first, well before I am either a “conservative” or a Republican. If the latter don't conflict with the former, so be it, but as a Christian that is my first loyalty
amen
Isnt it great Social security has done so well we are now going to duplicate it , Young people are not only going to support Seniors with their Social Security deductions in their paychecks but now they will be forced ala Social Security to BUY health Insurance under pain of Fine or Imprisonment to support SENIORS AND iLLEGAL ALIENS WHO DONT PAY ANYTHING. Wont be long before the Government starts deducting that from your paychecks to.
Great to be a Young Person today with all those job oppurtunities ,better hurry up and find that job so you fund all us seniors .
Your best bet is to become a Govt. worker,you dont pay Social Security and you get nice big retirement programs
I almost never cringe at any response I see here. The American left makes me cringe all the time.
Perhaps you are not meant to be here if it bothers you.
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