Posted on 09/24/2009 8:55:54 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator
Please be as lenient as you can on this one. I will accept your decision nonetheless.
Ping. Did I leave anybody out?
The only options for this thread are "open" or "ecumenical."
Antagonism is not allowed on "ecumenical" threads. So for now, I'll change it to that. If you want it opened or pulled, let me know.
I’m not certain why, if you no longer believe that Christ is the Messiah, you honor His title by inserting an asterisk as you do a dash for “God”. This really is not a jab, I really would like to know the rationale for it. It seems to me that if not spelling the name of God comports with traditional honor to the Almighty, not spelling the name of Christ would accord Him the same honor: that He is the Almighty.
Truly not an antagonistic question.
Colonel, USAFR
I admire all the effort you put into that.
You’re the boss.
This answer is not intended to be antagonistic either.
Thank you. I actually composed this and saved it onto my computer and then cut and pasted it. Usually I just compose in the FR form and post but I've learned when you really get going on something the power tends to go off.
I’ll just point out, for the record, that everything you have said about fundamentalist Christians or, more specifically fundamentalist Protestants, has been standard-issue Christian theology for 2000 years. It is unnecessary to label it as “fundamentalist”.
Fact is, it is the liberals who called themselves Christians who are the new kids on the block and have deconstructed the Christian faith into something more to their personal liking.
Liberal “Christians” are theologically akin to rabbinic Jews who abandoned the objective truth of God’s Word and covenant in favor of a religion more to their liking and circumstances. They have even duped some gentiles into their way of thinking.
Not sure of the purpose of your article?
It’s unnecessary, since the OT confirms the Christian faith as well, e.g.,
In the Fundamentalist chr*stian worldview, every human being born into the world since the sin in the Garden is born "damned."
“Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.” (Psalm 51:5)
You know, that's exactly what I used to think. But then I found out that these were all "innovations" and that the more ancient and authentic versions of chr*stianity have a less dim view of human nature. Roman Catholicism's "original sin" is a deprivation of grace, not a positive total depravity, and the Eastern Orthodox don't even believe in original sin! This being the case, I have often wondered why Catholics and Orthodox feel a chr*stian religion was ever necessary. Only Fundamentalist Protestants seem to take it to its logical conclusion.
Fact is, it is the liberals who called themselves Christians who are the new kids on the block and have deconstructed the Christian faith into something more to their personal liking.
Except Catholics and Orthodox, who aren't liberal, don't believe it either. They are even horrified when Protestant missionaries tell them they aren't good enough to go to Heaven "naturally" because they don't think they're that bad!
Liberal “Christians” are theologically akin to rabbinic Jews who abandoned the objective truth of God’s Word and covenant in favor of a religion more to their liking and circumstances. They have even duped some gentiles into their way of thinking.
And of course we have already seen from a past exchange that you have no way whatsoever of proving this other than quoting the "new testament." In the meantime, please note this is an "ecumenical" thread. This mean no hostility is allowed. The Religion Moderator has been notified.
To explain to Orthodox Jews why Fundamentalist Protestants think that they must convert every single individual in the world, including Jews, and to show that this does not mean that Fundamentalist Protestants "hate" Jews or think they are any more evil than anyone else.
The purpose is to educate Orthodox Jews.
but I simply don't want the thread derailed by post after post after post after post quoting the "new testament" to "prove" this or that and to proselytize.
It’s unnecessary, since the OT confirms the Christian faith as well, e.g.,
It does as it is interpreted by the "new testament" and by chr*stianity. It does not do it in and of itself.
In the Fundamentalist chr*stian worldview, every human being born into the world since the sin in the Garden is born "damned."
“Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.” (Psalm 51:5)
A verse that says not a word about "eternal damnation." Certain strains of chr*stianity project their beliefs about "eternal damnation" onto it.
The purpose of this thread is to explain Fundamentalist Protestants to Orthodox Jews, not to argue with supersessionists. That is why this is an "ecumenical" thread. If you want to argue (and you won't actually do that; you'll just quote "the new testament" as if that in and of itself proves anything) then kindly start your own thread. Please do not highjack this one. Thank you.
Religion Moderator, see above statement.
I appreciate the explanation.
There is no branch of (little-o) orthodox Christianity that teaches man in his natural estate can receive eternal life without the application of the blood of Christ. This is definition of human depravity, although the actual words maybe different within each communion. Granted, there are liberal tendencies even with the Roman Catholic Church who may want to water this down a bit, but for the last 2000 years that is how it has been.
I’m not arguing, just pointing out some possible misrepresentations and holes in your thesis.
Exposing your thesis to criticism was a possibility, no?
BTW, it was these same apparently “fundamentalist Protestants” by the name of Simon Peter, Saul of Tarsus, etc who tried to convert every Jew in sight to Christianity.
I appreciate why you want to explain that Christians do not think Jews are more evil than anyone else (which I did not even know was an issue!!), but some of the things you said were erroneous.
I guess I wasn’t aware that on FR (or any other open BB) threads were allowed to be posted that were “untouchable”, that could espouse certain erroneous beliefs and remain unchallenged.
Thank you.
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