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Warning: Serious threat against the Church
Examiner.com ^ | Sept. 6, 2009 | Jeanine Haslett

Posted on 09/07/2009 9:15:45 AM PDT by Colofornian

There is a serious threat against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. It has a name. The name is Andrew Price. He belongs to an evangelistic group that goes about teaching against all other churches. This group has a website and on this website you can click on a myriad of different religions and read what this church teaches against any specific religion. The name of the online church is being withheld because this article will not be used as a forum for that church.

Several different ministers, preachers, pastors,in other words, paid clergy for that church are well taught in the foudational teachings of the other religions. These paid clergy then target members of the churches they have been taught about and lead the members of these churches away from their religions.

Andrew Price is a man who has been teaching against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. He is a preacher from Great Britain. He is in his fifties, is married to a younger woman named Ruth, and talks with a heavy British accent. He targets missionaries. He somehow gets their telephone numbers and cell numbers and talks to them. He starts out very friendly; just an old man wanting to chat. Then, he introduces them to deep doctrine. He introduces one little subject at a time. While introducing this subject, he takes doctrine and quotes from prominent, historical leaders, and uses those quotes and facts to support his own twisted and distorted views of the church, in much the same way a defense attorney questions unsuspecting witnesses.

By his own confession, or braggard, he has led many missionaries and regular members away from the church through his distorted teachings. He is a tool of the Adversary. Do not engage in discussions with him. Do not be so foolish as to think that your testimony is so strong that you cannot be led away by this man. He baits you with true doctrine. Then he twists it. Then he baits you with some more, much of which everyday members are not familiar with. Curiosity causes one to research the facts with which he or she has been presented. The truth, combined with curiosity, combined with the false teachings of this man lead many unsuspecting members away from the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ. Curiosity killed the cat, and it will kill your testimony if you follow it because of things this man puts into your head. He is very much Anti-Mormon, and is continually fed information by a large following of ex-mormons, and inactive mormons who still have contacts within the church.

One of our temple reccommend questions concerns the association with people of this nature. If you wish to keep your reccomend, then do not talk to this man or any of his associates. If you wish to keep your testimony, you are advised to do the same. If your missionary son or daughter starts asking you questions about the King Follet discourse, the plurality of the Gods, the apocrypha, the first 2000 years, and old Babylonian folktales such as Lillith, then inform his or her mission president immediately that you suspect Andrew Price is communicating with your missionary in one form or another.

Andrew Price has already had legal run-ins with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. In a plea for money, one of his fellow church colleagues posted a letter online describing the legal troubles that Mr. Price has already faced concerning the Church. He was ordered by Justice Beatson to stay at least 30 yards from any mormon mission office and to quit calling missionaries on their cell phones unless invited to do so. The online letter asks for donations to help Mr. Price pay back the $100,000 in legal fees the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints incurred during the legal dispute.

One of the complaints in the letter of solicitation is that members feigned friendship and let Mr. Price treat them to dinner, only to testify against him later. Another complaint is that he talked to members for hours on the phone at his own expense only to be betrayed at the trial. The fact of the matter is, that during these dinners that Mr. Price paid for, he was leading members away with his continual false doctrines. The hours pent talking on the phone were to missionaries that he was trying to lead away from the church. The members that testified against him were only telling the truth as they knew it, and defending the church as they should have.

Contrary to the court order, Mr. Price is still contacting missionaries. He brags about one missionary from Missouri that when he returns home is "going to have a very hard time with his faith". Another story that Mr. Price likes to tell is one wherein he convinced a missionary that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints was not only untrue, but totally brainwashing and misleading. He then had this poor shaken missionary go to all his investigators and previous converts and tell them that he lied and that the Church was not true.

Whether Andrew Price is physically in the United States is uncertain at this time, but he is most definitely having contact of some sort with missionaries in the United States, and most recently in northwestern New Mexico.


TOPICS: Current Events; Ministry/Outreach; Other Christian
KEYWORDS: andrewprice; antimormonthread; evangelism; lds; ldschurch; mormons
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From the commentary: These paid clergy then target members of the churches they have been taught about and lead the members of these churches away from their religions.

You mean like the 60,000 Lds missionaries, the vast majority of whom target Christian and Christian background households around the world?

From the commentary...He targets missionaries. He somehow gets their telephone numbers and cell numbers and talks to them. He starts out very friendly; just an old man wanting to chat. Then, he introduces them to deep doctrine. He introduces one little subject at a time. While introducing this subject, he takes doctrine and quotes from prominent, historical leaders, and uses those quotes and facts...

Why, how terrible! He talks to "prospects" -- just like Lds missionaries do!
He "targets" people for outreach -- just like Lds missionaries do!
He starts out "very friendly" -- just like Lds missionaries do!
He introduces one little subject at a time -- just like Lds missionaries do!
He uses quotes and facts -- well, at least Lds missionaries use quotes.

From the commentary: Another complaint is that he talked to members for hours on the phone at his own expense...

You mean he's also like Lds missionaries in paying his own way for his mission to missionaries? Nah!!! Couldn't be!!!

1 posted on 09/07/2009 9:15:45 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
You mean he's also like Lds missionaries in paying his own way for his mission to missionaries?

Perfect response. Dittos.

2 posted on 09/07/2009 9:18:33 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: Colofornian
If he can lead people away from Mormonism so easily, what does that say about Mormonism?

"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." - John 8:32

3 posted on 09/07/2009 9:20:41 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne (Buy Gold and Guns Now!)
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To: Dr. Thorne
Mormons are typically very nice people. Glen Beck is a Mormon. I agree with him on political issues however I don't agree with his religious beliefs.

Every now and then they come to our door. It's easy to debunk them and I do that. Now they avoid our house when they have them circulate. Just gently debunk they're religious beliefs. They are very sincere and really believe what is false. We don't want to alienate them.

4 posted on 09/07/2009 9:29:15 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Dr. Thorne

Agreed. The serious threat against the Mormon church is the truth. The real Jesus Christ, not their fabricated one.


5 posted on 09/07/2009 9:29:17 AM PDT by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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To: Colofornian

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints/aka the MORMONS is nothing but a cult. Thank God people like Mr.Price are continuing to warn people about the dangerous teachings and practices of this pseudo “christian” cult.


6 posted on 09/07/2009 9:31:39 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Thank you)
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To: Colofornian
Among other things, the Mormon religion taught that God was once a man who became the God of this solar system. His role was to have many wives and father many children. This teaching alone separates them from the Christian faith since they are not monotheistic. While the "LDS" has tried to soften some of Joseph Smith's and Brigham Young's doctrine to present a better image, the founder of that cult was way beyond wierd. A good website for info is: http://www.exmormon.org/

The whining tone of this article tells me that old slewfoot is irritated by the efficiency of the evangelist in winning over the "LDS" missionaries.

7 posted on 09/07/2009 9:33:19 AM PDT by Big_Harry ( Thank God I am an "Infidel"!)
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To: Colofornian

A Comparative religions page online is somehow a big plot??

Hey, if your church can’t hack it in the free market...


8 posted on 09/07/2009 9:45:01 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com ............. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: Colofornian

If the shoe fits...walk a mile in it!


9 posted on 09/07/2009 9:46:26 AM PDT by LiteKeeper (When do the impeachment proceedings begin?)
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To: GeronL; greyfoxx39
A Comparative religions page online is somehow a big plot?? Hey, if your church can’t hack it in the free market...

Yes, good observation. Notice, too, the heavy-handedness pulled against their own missionaries:

From the commentary: One of our temple reccommend questions concerns the association with people of this nature. If you wish to keep your reccomend, then do not talk to this man or any of his associates. If you wish to keep your testimony, you are advised to do the same.

The Mormon gets over a dozen questions asked of them by a fellow "lay" person (a bishop) -- some of them intimate. If they don't tithe, etc. they get their temple recommend pulled -- and poof, temple access is lost including both rituals and even watching your sister (or fill-in-the-blank family member) get married in the temple.

This is classic cult control in full throttle. Jehovah's Witnesses do it even to a stronger degree -- practicing shunning/disassociation of ex-JWs.

10 posted on 09/07/2009 9:50:20 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

to quit calling missionaries on their cell phones unless invited to do so.
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Would this be anything like telling the mormon missionaries...

to quit harrassing non-mormons by knocking on their doors unless invited to do so. ????


11 posted on 09/07/2009 9:51:15 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Colofornian

He is in his fifties, is married to a younger woman named Ruth,
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My first thought here was How okd is Ruth ???

This is meant as a slur...other wise why bother to mention it ???

Ruth might be one year younger or 10 years yuounger...

Joey Smith married a little girl of 14 who was young enough to be his daughter...

Several mormons married girls 30 and 40 years younger than them...

Mormons consider that a virtue and ordered by their mormon god(s)...

But suddenly its the worst thing that can be said of a man and he should not be believed because ...look ..his wife is younger...

ROFLMBO


12 posted on 09/07/2009 9:58:40 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Colofornian

And yet mormons/JW’s tend to be the nicest/meekest people you can ever meet. odd. Is that their target demographic?


13 posted on 09/07/2009 10:01:00 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com ............. http://tyrannysentinel.blogspot.com)
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To: Colofornian

This almost reads like satire.


14 posted on 09/07/2009 10:02:47 AM PDT by Dan Middleton
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To: GeronL

A Comparative religions page online is somehow a big plot??
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Comparative religions is something that must only be practiced in the mormon temple ceremonies...

Too secret... errr... sacred for the common riff raff to discuss in the open Blogs...

Oh, curses on those Blog gods...


15 posted on 09/07/2009 10:04:39 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Colofornian

Scary that a court can tell someone that they can not talk to someone else on a cell phone.

All I can say is that the LDS must really scared of this guy. They threaten to remove a temple recommend which means you have been realy really bad


16 posted on 09/07/2009 10:05:33 AM PDT by the long march
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To: GeronL
And yet mormons/JW’s tend to be the nicest/meekest people you can ever meet. odd. Is that their target demographic?

Yes, but "niceness" is never listed as a virtue of character or of the Spirit in the Bible. In fact, it's not even mentioned in the Bible.

Besides, if you were auditioning for godhood (the Mormons) or auditioning for paradise on earth after you die (JWs are good works measurement people), you probably be "nice," too -- at least on the outside.

Jesus had high praise for outward Pharisaical righteousness (he said unless your righteousness exceeded that of the Pharisees, you would not inherit God's kingdom) -- but inwardly in referenced them as "whitewashed tombs".

17 posted on 09/07/2009 10:11:43 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: the long march
All I can say is that the LDS must really scared of this guy. They threaten to remove a temple recommend which means you have been realy really bad

Really, really bad? Not at all. Why, just miss a tithe payment-as-temple-access.

18 posted on 09/07/2009 10:14:19 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Great answer/comment. The article makes me want to find Andrew Price’s website and read through the entire thing. Do you have a link?


19 posted on 09/07/2009 10:23:02 AM PDT by FateAmenableToChange
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To: FateAmenableToChange; GeronL; the long march; LiteKeeper; Dan Middleton; Jmouse007; Dr. Thorne; ...
The article makes me want to find Andrew Price’s website and read through the entire thing. Do you have a link?

I believe his group is called Reformed Ministry to Mormons in the UK -- but I don't have a link. Here's a YouTube interview of him:

TheLDSMormonChurchintheUKFaltering?

20 posted on 09/07/2009 10:39:02 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: GeronL
And yet mormons/JW’s tend to be the nicest/meekest people you can ever meet. odd. Is that their target demographic?

You haven't met the mormons I grew up with and have lived around. I do agree that the JW's I have known are quite honorable.

21 posted on 09/07/2009 10:39:25 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Obama, the cow patty version of Midas. Everything he says is bull, everything he touches is crap.)
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To: FateAmenableToChange

Yeah, I would like to see the link, too!


22 posted on 09/07/2009 10:41:54 AM PDT by conservative cat (America, you have been PWNED!)
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To: Dan Middleton
This almost reads like satire.

This author's Haslett name is one that I know is common in at least one heavily-mormon inhabited area.

She has written several articles for the Examiner, among which is this one:

 

 The Year was 1519. Spanish explorer Hernan Cortez and his soldiers met a group of natives under the rule of Montezuma II. The natives bowed before the Spanish soldiers and began to worship them; the reason? Quetzalcoatl.

 

Quetzalcoatl is an ancient Mayan legend. The legend is of a great, white, bearded God who had visited the people before. He taught them marvelous things, and then left as suddenly as he had appeared, promising to return again one day. When the Mayan people saw the soldiers clad in their shining armor, riding on horseback, they were astonished. When they saw the fair-skinned, bearded, Hernan Cortez, they thought their legend was being fulfilled.

 

There is a peculiar thing about legends; they are usually based on real events or people. Of course, after being told and re-told numerous times, a regular man becomes a giant who can drag an axe behind him and carve out the Grand Canyon, or a wild man who can lasso and ride a tornado. This being true, it is easy to understand how an average-looking, fair-skinned, bearded man can turn into a serpent with a feathered head.

 

If Christ really was the white, bearded God of the legend, then he was in fact, the God of heaven and earth. The Mayan God of the sky was the quetzal bird, with its brilliantly colored feathers. Coatl, the snake, was the Lord of the earth. Therefore, depictions of Quetzalcoatl are usually of a feathered serpent.

 

The question that arises in one’s mind after putting together all of this information, is, what real-life event sparked the legend of Quetzalcoatl? If all legend is based on true events, then clearly, at one point in time, a white, bearded God had to have visited the Mayan people, and left such an impression that they would want to tell the story over and over again for centuries. What white, bearded God can you think of that fits that description? Of Course, only our Savior, Jesus Christ, fits that description. Immediately before His ascension into heaven, Christ told his disciples, ‘other sheep I have, which are not of this fold.’ (John 10:16) Where were those sheep? If our Father in Heaven sent his only son to live among men, does it seem possible that He would want ALL people in ALL lands to know of his mortality? But where in history is that event recorded? Did Jesus Christ really appear to people in North and South America?

 

Absolutely! The event is recorded in The Book of Mormon, Another Testament of Jesus Christ, in 3 Nephi chapters 8 through 18. It is a truly beautiful and inspiring historical event.


23 posted on 09/07/2009 10:43:52 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Obama, the cow patty version of Midas. Everything he says is bull, everything he touches is crap.)
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To: Tennessee Nana
He is in his fifties, is married to a younger woman named Ruth

Yep, this is ridiculous, she could be one day younger. If she were a little older they might have said:

"He is in his fifties, is married to an older woman named Ruth"

I'm married to a woman who is younger than I am too, will the horrors never cease?

My mother otoh, is married to a younger man, I guess it'd be OK if a wife and husband shared the same b/day though.

The LDS fear this man because he knows the truth and has a talent for spreading it, he is in my prayers and if he needed a little financial support to pay those phone bills, I'd be willing to help there too.

James chapter 5:

19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;

20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

24 posted on 09/07/2009 10:49:37 AM PDT by Graybeard58 ( Selah.)
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To: Colofornian
I do not know who this Jeannine Haslett is, but I am not favorably impressed by her article. Contrary to what she writes, Andrew Price is not a serious threat to the LDS Church.

A far greater threat to the Church are Mormons who behave badly. That would include Mormons who publish ill-informed, sensationalistic, fear-mongering articles.

(By the way, Haslett needs a good editor. At the very least, she should get the name of the Church right: it is "Latter-day Saints," not "Latter Day Saints.")

25 posted on 09/07/2009 11:12:53 AM PDT by Logophile
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To: greyfoxx39

I can think of one serpent, who is “lord” of the Earth.

For a short time, anyways ...


26 posted on 09/07/2009 11:36:03 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: Colofornian
What a bunch of crybabies.

He "twists" their doctrine?

More like, he tells them the truth about the lies of Mormonism, and neither can they refute the facts or see the real Truth of the Bible.

Message to these whiners.

I was approached today in the shopping parking lot as I was unpacking my groceries. A young guy in white shirt, black slacks, and tie tried to hand me some literature about "Faith and Families." As I loaded my car, I asked him what denomination he was. He hesitated, tried to hand me the magazine, and then slowly said "We are Jehovah's Witnesses." I was polite, and I said I believed they were off track, and I was an evangelical Christian. I said I wished him a very nice day, and to take care. He said the same, and walked away from me very, very quickly.

I have engaged Mormons and JWs who have tried to press their cults on me, and it is interesting to see how both of their missionaries are coached exactly the same. Their new tact seems to be to avoid getting into a Biblical discussion at all costs.

If they encounter someone who has true Biblical knowledge, they run like wounded dogs.

It give new credence to this passage from our Lord:

James 4:7

27 posted on 09/07/2009 11:36:48 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: SkyPilot

I was approached also in a parking lot, only by a well dressed, 30ish, black woman, I told her pretty much the same as you did but it made me curious as to what per-centage of J.W.s are black.

Anyone have any stats on that?


28 posted on 09/07/2009 12:02:07 PM PDT by Graybeard58 ( Selah.)
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To: Colofornian
If your missionary son or daughter starts asking you questions about the King Follet discourse, the plurality of the Gods, the apocrypha, the first 2000 years, and old Babylonian folktales such as Lillith, then inform his or her mission president immediately that you suspect Andrew Price is communicating with your missionary in one form or another.

...seek the whole truth on all these matters yourself so you can responsibly and truthfully respond to their honest questions.

29 posted on 09/07/2009 12:04:54 PM PDT by delacoert (Good health to your belly button.)
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To: Graybeard58

No I don’t. But one of the JWs that came to my front door last year was black. Also, the Jackson family (of Michael variety) was BIG into that cult for years.


30 posted on 09/07/2009 12:22:45 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: delacoert
Curious that Haslett would post this article now...the whole thing happened in 2004

I found this email, at REACHING MORMONS FOR CHRIST MINISTRIES

Mormons Seek to Utterly Crush English Pastor

Even As They Feign Friendship With Evangelicals In Salt Lake City

The following is the message body of an email that was forwarded to us by a friend. We have no way of verifying its statements of fact, but we also have no reason to disbelieve them. Our own experiences with Mormons in the public forum would indicate this is exactly the kind of thing they would do given the opportunity. Their only defense against the truth is to try to silence the opposition by any means they can get away with. With the advent of "hate crime" and "hate speech" laws in the U.S., this is what we can look forward to.

 
 
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 4:25 PM
Subject: Pastor about to lose everything

REACHING  MORMONS FOR CHRIST MINISTRIES
"taking  the  true  gospel  of  Jesus  Christ  to  the  Mormon  people  in  love"

Monday 20th December 2004

PASTOR  STANDS  TO  LOSE  EVERYTHING  AFTER  MORMON  COURT  CASE

Dear treasured friend of this ministry,

Recently a serious blow was struck against the religious freedom of British born-again Christians seeking to reach members of the 'Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints' (i.e. the 'Mormon' or 'LDS' church) with the truth of the gospel.  In a High Court judgement lasting nearly three hours, Mr Justice Beatson banned evangelical Christian pastor, Andrew Price, from cold calling Mormon missionaries on their mobile phones unless invited to do so.  Furthermore, the judge created an "exclusion zone", banning Mr Price from coming within 30 yards of any Mormon mission, with the exception of its central London headquarters in south Kensington (where he is barred from standing on the same side of the road). 

Due to his complete lack of finance, Andrew Price elected to represent himself against the vast legal machinery assembled by the wealthy, powerful elite of the Mormon church - one of America's richest financial institutions.  Approximately 50 witnesses were lined up to testify against him.  I was later told that the most hurtful experience of all for Andrew were statements made against him by Mormons who had previously been very friendly - whom he had helped, met up with, taken to dinner, rode with on the tube and spoken to for 8 hours by phone (at his own expense).  He expected different of them and felt utterly betrayed. 

My wife and I have had the privilege of witnessing with Andrew and his wife (Ruth) on many occasions outside the Hyde Park LDS Chapel in London.  As someone who was with Andrew on those occasions (both before and after the witness), I can testify that I never saw him harass anybody.  Many LDS missionaries (especially the Americans) whom I met there even seemed to enjoy the friendly banter.  
Lots of missionaries whom Andrew tried to reach with the gospel over the years have remained close friends with him to this day - some of them are now ex-Mormons whilst others have chosen to remain inside the LDS church.   He has even been invited to some weddings in Utah! 

Under God's blessing, much good has been achieved through Andrew's many years of evangelistic ministry.  Some Mormons have been saved, quite a few others have left the LDS church.  Many LDS faithful have begun to question the claims of Mormonism - perhaps for the first time in their lives.  Various unsuspecting members of the public who were beginning to get sucked in by the false gospel and erroneous claims of the LDS church were reached with the truth - all of whom, to my knowledge, decided not to pursue Mormonism any further.  They were then given the true gospel.  In fact, I'd go so far as to say that some of the most wonderful witnessing times we've ever had occurred on that pavement outside Hyde Park LDS Chapel.  A truly amazing ministry opportunity has received a very serious set back. 
This was Andrew's life's work - 8 hours a day, 6 days a week.  Literally thousands of tracts, booklets, books, audio tapes, video tapes, Bibles, etc were distributed. 

To make matters worse - in addition to ruling against Andrew Price, the judge declared that he would have to pay the Mormon church's massive legal costs for the trial.  This could amount up to #100,000.  As someone who counts himself privileged to be one of Andrew's closest friends, I personally can testify to you that Andrew and his wife live on very little and have nothing to speak of financially.  They stand to lose virtually everything, including their house.

I'm keeping this email handy for the very next post I see accusing us of "persecuting" the mormon church.


31 posted on 09/07/2009 12:26:14 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Obama, the cow patty version of Midas. Everything he says is bull, everything he touches is crap.)
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To: greyfoxx39

Correction the link was to “Think About Eternity”...email from REACHING MORMONS FOR CHRIST MINISTRIES


32 posted on 09/07/2009 12:33:01 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Obama, the cow patty version of Midas. Everything he says is bull, everything he touches is crap.)
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To: Tennessee Nana
But suddenly its the worst thing that can be said of a man and he should not be believed because ...look ..his wife is younger...

So he married someone younger than himself? Big deal. Half the married population has done that.

33 posted on 09/07/2009 12:44:28 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Graybeard58

Hey, if the worse ya can say about a guy is that his wife is at least one day younger than he is, he is still way ahead of most of the suits in the Morg in virtue and integrity...

:)


34 posted on 09/07/2009 12:45:37 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Graybeard58

Only black man that was JW that came to my door in South Carolina had come out of the Catholic Church...

I reminded him about who the Catholics say Jesus is, and he agreed that was missing and he would consider going back

LOL


35 posted on 09/07/2009 12:50:09 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: metmom

Mit Romney did too...

Ann is younger than Mitt...

oh the shame

:)


36 posted on 09/07/2009 4:55:59 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Logophile

Price’s financial situation gets worse. The UK judge ordered him to pay the legal fees of the Mormons, some 100,000 euros, if I read it right.


37 posted on 09/07/2009 6:14:39 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie (When a president must hire out his real job to 32 czars, he was never CEO material.)
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To: Colofornian

Feel free to leave a comment for this hysterical author. Sheesh.


38 posted on 09/07/2009 6:18:35 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie (When a president must hire out his real job to 32 czars, he was never CEO material.)
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To: Colofornian

Thank GOD for people like Mr. Price who is not ashamed of the gospel and the truth. Thanks for posting this, Colo.


39 posted on 09/07/2009 7:51:45 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: Colofornian

Ok ok ok... Wait a minute. The guy quotes directly from lds sources and this confusses these young people. Huh? The problem is with the pastor and not lds. Weird, just weird.


40 posted on 09/07/2009 7:55:32 PM PDT by svcw (Legalism reinforces self-righteousness - it communicates to you the good news of your own goodness)
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To: SkyPilot

My dear SIL is a JW. Nicest and kindest person ever. She wasn’t supposed to come to our wedding, but she did. She said she wouldn’t miss it.


41 posted on 09/07/2009 7:56:44 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: Colofornian
He belongs to an evangelistic group that goes about teaching against all other churches.

Ain't that a GTERRIBLE tbhing??

I just HATE it when someone does that!!!

Oh... BTW...

That's EXACTLY how the LDS religious Organization® got started.


Paybacks an itch; I've heard...

42 posted on 09/07/2009 8:57:19 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Graybeard58
Anyone have any stats on that?

I would bet that they have more than MORMONs!!!

43 posted on 09/07/2009 9:00:40 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39
PASTOR STANDS TO LOSE EVERYTHING AFTER MORMON COURT CASE

Golly!

That is EXACTLY the perdicament the MORMON religious Organization® was in during the 1890's; when the leadership caved to the demands of the United States Government and thru GOD under the bus by giving up on the ETERNAL COVENANT of plural marriage.

At LEAST the Flds still follow what GOD said in D&C 132!!

44 posted on 09/07/2009 9:04:05 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SkyPilot
There was a guy from L.A., Wally Tope, who used to do traps of sorts for Mormons and JW's. He would get them to agree on something about their prophet, poobah, or whatever, something that person said, then point out a passage from their own writings that contradicted them. Sometimes the contradiction would be from their own version of the Bible (since both the LDS and the JW's have their own, "edited" version of the Word.). One of the traps I remember was to ask a Mormon if everything their prophets said was true. When the Mormon said yes, Tope would point out elephants and glass in North America, men on the moon, and Jesus returning before 1900, according to their prohphers. He did a couple of Bible-smuggling trips to China back in the late 70's. He died during the Rodney King riots, when someone decided to open his head with a cinderblock while Tope was trying to calm things down.

In encounters with JW's, and even LDS sometimes, I always ask them who "the guy" is in Joshua 6, you know, the guy who appears to Joshua prior to Jericho. Joshua bows down in worship, and the guy says, "Take of your sandals.", then tells Joshua what to do. My question: who's the guy? Can't be an angel, since angels don't accept worship. Can't be a man, since he is obviously supernatural. And where have we heard "take off your sandals" before????

They usually leave my stoop about 5 minutes after the above discussion. They can't name the guy without violating tenents of their faith, namely, that Jesus isn't God. The mental gymnastics some go through trying to figure this out leads some to anger. So far none have been able to give a reasonable explanation.

45 posted on 09/07/2009 11:19:27 PM PDT by Othniel (Meddling in human affairs for 1/20 of a millenium......)
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To: Colofornian

Now that’s funny. Yeah I work with several Mormons and am surrounded by them ( not in a bad way they are all over the neighborhood I live in) at home. They are hard working decent people with whom I have nothing in commnon religiously. When the ‘boys in white shirts’ come by I share with them. It almost always ends up that I will be free from any more intrusions for another two years. The stake folks don’t much like me but hey I figure that’s about them not me. Always amazes me that some really insist you do it their way


46 posted on 09/08/2009 7:50:08 AM PDT by the long march
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To: greyfoxx39; Colofornian

And the mormons say that persecution is the sign of the true church. . . . . .


47 posted on 09/08/2009 8:36:20 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Othniel
I am sorry to hear about Wally Tope. He sounded like a very courageous man, and he was a peace-keeper (blessed are they).

There are so many holes in Mormonism that the tough choice is figuring out which hole to stick your head into. The Planet Kolob is a continuing source of embarrassment, and a subject most Mormons want to avoid like the plague. I had an LDS member engage me on it here once, and after 3 posts he realized he sounded like L. Ron Hubbard.

The missionary mindset is really to just avoid those with Biblical knowledge, and then slither onto the next unsuspecting bare faced Pilgrim who will buy their used laundry.

48 posted on 09/08/2009 2:47:50 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: FateAmenableToChange
You asked ...

Great answer/comment. The article makes me want to find Andrew Price’s website and read through the entire thing. Do you have a link?

Well.., I found a link that used to be active but is dead now. I'm not sure why it's dead, other than perhaps he killed it because of a court case, or maybe he gave up or perhaps he ran out of money -- or who knows... :-)

It was http://www.message4mormons.org/

Here are a few reports on the court case that the Mormons had against him for harassment...

Mormons seek injunction after harassment by evangelical - news from ekklesia

Preacher barred from going near Mormons

Judge tells ranting preacher to stop abusing Mormons

Also, he posted here on March 1, 2009, but his website won't load for me, although their "preview" of his website does show on that site.

Andrew Price Says:
March 1, 2009 at 11:57 am

Thank you for what appears to be a fascinating book – can you tell us what triggered you to realise the terrible teachings and errors of Mormonism .

And also, he posted here on May 12, 2009 ...

Andrew Price | 5.12.09 @ 5:26AM

I am a British conservative and also an evangelical Christian . Republicans would do well to take notice of Mr Steele's kite flying with respect to the Romney problem . It would be a catastrophe for the Republican party if there is another attempt by some in its establishment to promote a Mormon to be its Presidential candidate . Steele is spot on in flagging up the problems of Romney's Mormon convictions . Romney's belief that the Lord Jesus is the Devil's brother is deeply repulsive and offensive to Christians and millions will simply not vote for a man with such views . The idea that Romney with his awful baggage on race would face up Barack Obama is laughable.The historic Mormon position which Romney went along with is that Black Skin is the mark of God's displeasure . The Mormons even changed their absurd novel the Book of Mormon in 2 Nephi 30 v6 which up until 1980 read " they shall be a white and delightsome people " inorder to cover up their objectionable views .

Only the other day we were treated with the widely reported news that the Mormons had secretly baptized President Obama's dead mother . Jewish groups have been protesting vehemently over the Mormon practice of baptizing dead Jewish Holacaust victims.

How could the Republicans possibly fight an effective Presidential campaign with this sort of backdrop ?

So..., he's still around and active, but I don't know what happened to his website.

49 posted on 09/09/2009 8:13:30 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: FateAmenableToChange
Also, if you want to see some more of Andrew Price's comments, here are some of his posts on the article "The Huntsman Test".

Here's the first post in a series of maybe almost 100 posts here...

Andrew Price | 2.17.09 @ 7:58PM

Firstly let me declare my hand I am a British citizen and so do not have the vote in your country , that said I am an evangelical , a conservative and a friend of the United States . I had the great pleasure of being involved in the Iowa Caucas on a purely unofficial and individual capacity . I spoke to hundreds of evangelical pastors urging them to support Mike Huckabee and explaining to them something of the terrible teachings of the Mormons . Mr Frum and others of the Republican Party establishment would greatly underestimate evangelical Christians if they try and foist onto the Party an individual ie Romney or Huntsman who believe that Jesus is the Devil's brother .

It sounds like he's saying that he was helping out in Iowa, doing unofficial work for the Republicans. Apparently he's traveling around doing his Evangelical Christian Missionary work, too...

50 posted on 09/09/2009 8:40:34 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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