Posted on 08/07/2009 8:06:27 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
When America disappears 100 or 500 or 1,000 years from now, it will be gone but not forgotten. As the world's leading military, economic, and cultural power since World War II, the United States will linger in the global gene pool and influence whatever comes next. But how exactly will Americanness get transmitted to the civilizations that replace us?
A better candidate to serve as America's time capsule: the Mormons. In an aside in 2007's Are We Rome?, Cullen Murphy posits that Salt Lake City could become "the Vatican of the third millennium," with the Mormon Church "propagating a particular, canonical version of America."
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Why does Card think the Mormons will live through a disaster? He explains via e-mail that Mormon culture "has strengths and weaknesses, but it has almost all the attributes of a civilizational winner. … We have organizational practices and ideological elements that make it highly likely that wherever we are, we will outlast the collapse of governments and civilizations."
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If America goes under, LDS scholar Michael Austin says, regional strains of Mormonism might develop "without the pressure from Salt Lake City to keep everything coordinated." Orson Scott Card emphasizes that post-collapse Mormons would be organized but open to others: "If we did not approach things that way, we would fail, because our very survival as an organized group would frighten others who saw us as a threat," he writes, adding that Mormons "learned that one the hard way" during the polygamy years. In the event of the American end times, Card continues, the church would likely continue to "regard the Constitution of the United States as a divinely ordered document—including a reasonable separation of church and state. There would be no Mormon Taliban, no Mormon equivalent of sharia imposed on non-Mormons."
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Yeah, sure! Ask non-mormons living in Utah.
One really should read the entire article. It is a mormon propaganda piece from beginning to end, filled with the usual half-truths and deceptions.
Coming from a liberal source, it appears to be part and parcel of the the continued liberal theme of pushing Mitt Romney to be the next Republican presidential candidate.
If Romney is nominated, the GOP will lose again.
And my feelings about Romney have nothing to do with his religion.
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If the Catholic Church did so for Rome, I trust it can do so for America.
However, "civilization" is getting harder and harder to find. As for what passes for it, it's not worth preserving.
The Catholic Church helped preserveRomancivilization. Can Mormonism do the same for America?
The Catholic Church is the foundation of civilization.
Finding things “Civilized” is getting almost as hard as find the ruins of the Nephites...
“When America disappears 100 or 500 or 1,000 years from now”
Try one, two, or four years from now.
The Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth said heaven and earth will pass away, but His words would not pass away.
I’d bank on him ahead of a particular church. If you are betting on a human organization to survive, I doubt that will work.
And its sustainer.
The Catholic Church is the founder of civilization?
Ever heard of the Inquisitions? Civilization truly blossomed after Martin Luther .... not before! Is is apparent that the Catholic Church morphed into Liberal thought police of an earlier millenium. The nations that were built on protestantism are vastly superior to the nations built on catholicism (Spain, Italy, Venezuala, Brazil ...)
you guys are smarter than I am...
I kinda doubt it since there is not much evidence of ROMAN civilation in America NOW!
(But that's never stopped MORMON's from continuing to claim vast civilations in the Americas before; has it!?)
TRANSLATION:
"We be much smarter than them Lamanites and Nephites who done got themselves disappeared from this continent."
Hmmm...I know of a few English martyrs who would argue with you (had they not been beheaded).
Is is apparent that the Catholic Church morphed into Liberal thought police of an earlier millenium.
I would agree that many (but not hardly all) of the bishops in developed countries are liberal to the point of vomitus. Anybody reading "Catholic" threads on this forum has got to admit that. But as to "thought police?" That makes no sense. Frankly, if they were thought police, either those of us who are Catholic and conservative would not be posting on FR or those groups who are liberal keep quiet. There is a HUGE conflict going on. Therefore, there couldn't be a thought police happening. (Or if there is, it is utterly ineffective and so may as well not exist)
The nations that were built on protestantism are vastly superior to the nations built on catholicism (Spain, Italy, Venezuala, Brazil ...)
Wellll.....let's think about that a bit.
What countries were built on Protestantism...hmmm...
Sweeden: socialist economy, most people are atheist, homosexuality is openly embraced, Muslims are infiltrating because they have a negative birth rate. State church tolerates open homosexuality. High drug use. High abortion rate.
Norway: socialist economy, most people are atheist, homosexuality is openly embraced, Muslims are infiltrating because they have a negative birth rate. High unemployment. State church tolerates open homosexuality. High drug use. High abortion rate.
Denmark: socialist economy, most people are atheist, homosexuality is openly embraced, Muslims are infiltrating because they have a negative birth rate. High unemployment. State church tolerates open homosexuality. High drug use. Legalized Prostitution. High abortion rate.
Netherlands: socialist economy, most people are atheist, homosexuality is openly embraced, Muslims are infiltrating because they have a negative birth rate. State church tolerates open homosexuality. High drug use. State support for euthanasia. Legalized prostitution. High unemployment. High abortion rate.
Germany (well, half of it, anyway): social welfare state. high percentage of people are atheist, homosexuality is openly embraced, Muslims are infiltrating because they have a negative birth rate. High unemployment. State church tolerates open homosexuality. High drug use. Quasi-Legalized prostitution.
UK: socialist economy, most people are atheist, homosexuality is openly embraced, Muslims are infiltrating because they have a negative birth rate. State church tolerates open homosexuality. High drug use. High unemployment. Partial implementation of Shari'a law. State considering support for euthanasia. High abortion rate.
That is not to say that Spain, Italy, France, Belgium, Luxembourg, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Austria, Hungary, etc., are panaceas, but guess what? They ain't that much different (maybe a lower abortion rate, but that's about it).
And let's look at the US: Sure, other than the French and the Spaniards, Protestants did dominate much of American society and government. But the Irish were the ones who built the railroad, the Poles and Czechs (and Russians and Ukranians) operated the iron foundries, and so on. So maybe Protestants were the ones in power, but much of this country was built on the backs of Catholics...
How about this statement instead:
Nations that are faithful to God are superior to those that aren't. And, when a society, as a whole, abandons God, God abandons that society to itself.
I think that this is a statement that is more true-to-fact...and we're seeing it all around the developed world today.
I say that as a protestant with full love for my Catholic brothers and appreciate for their suffering at the failing that their leadership seems to perpetuate as do many in the protest line in this age. Liberalism is not solely the venue of the Roman church, unless you have missed similar issues in the Anglican, Methodist (my faith) and other churches. Indeed it seems to be an “American Christian” thing...
Casting of our stones should be reserved for Satan's minions and others who distort the true message of Christ...
EXCUSE ME?
I BEG TO DIFFER!
Indeed I would hazard to say there is more evidence for Roman Civilization in the Americas than there is for any "historic" Mormon one... 
Guess Mr. Levin never heard of the Danites.
Author is smoking some strong stuff.............
Yeah -
Who can forget the glorious French Revolution?
Where did the model for schools and organized education come from? Who adopted and promulgated the Trivium and the Quadrivium approach, which educated the minds of many of those who founded this country?
If you know what those are without checking, then you should know the answer to these questions.
If you do not, then doing some research will show that your alleged answer(s) are out of step with reality, and that the truth is (in spite of the Inquisitions, which were mainly a political device to isolate a scapegoat, enacted by people whose concern was power and wealth, not faith) at best, the “Protestant” nations can only claim about half the credit for maintaining civilization since it’s inception.
Or perhaps it escaped notice that Luther himself, as well as other “protestant” types who followed in his footsteps, was significantly anti-Jewish?
Mormonism is itself in fact, a gnosticism-mingled heretical splinter off of protestantism, not Catholicism (despite its historical roots in teachings of Bishop Arius).
I say these things as one who attended Protestant churches for ohhh - only 36 years or so...
AAC.
The Catholic Church helped preserve Roman civilization. Can Mormonism do the same for America?,
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Unless they know where the original birth certificate is...
NO..
And if they know where the original birth certificate is...
Still NO..
ROFLMBO
I'm wary of "the Catholic Church founded civilization" argument. Preserved and purified civilization yes. Founded....mmm...only if you define civilization so narrowly that you don't count Athens, Rome, etc. Which I think is a little silly, and I'm a staunch Catholic.
But let's not make the opposite mistake either. England had to become a virtual police state to stamp out Catholicism on its shores, and even then didn't entirely succeed. In America, Maryland was a Catholic colony. The early years of the Reformation saw waves of iconoclasm--defacing artwork, destroying shrines, real barbarian type stuff. Some things declined in Catholic areas while they flourished in Protestant areas. Some things did just the opposite.
And of course, in some ways even the Renaissance was a step backward from the glorious High Middle Ages.
And in the mirror.
45,000,000 + and counting are calling for justice...
45,000,000 + and counting are calling for justice...
Huh? (Are you referring to the mirror as looking at the USA or something else)
Just want to make sure...
Gosh, even their coprolites have disappeared along with them!
There you go...
And still we have no real evidence of the Nephites...
Ridiculous. The Renaissance was well under way before Luther appeared on the scene. Luther kicked off a century of vicious religious warfare, and when push came to shove and the Turks were facing the Christians at Mohacs in Hungary, with Western Christian civilization on the line, Luther sided with the Muzzies.
What do you think the existence of the Inquisition demonstrates.
Just wondering if the letter writer is confused or the young nephew is running a scam...by my calculations, $50 X 50 times 24 months would be $60,000. Double that for the $100 "donation".
Link to a Discussion about Missionary finances
We love our nephew and his parents, but we do not share their religious beliefs. And quite frankly, the request has upset more than a few members of the family because the amount requested is obviously not just to support the young man, but a way to support his church.
Help! How do we respond to such a “charitable” request? — EMBARRASSED IN ARIZONA
DEAR EMBARRASSED: Respond by writing your nephew a sweet note wishing him well on his mission, and explaining that you do not feel comfortable donating. In no way are you obligated to fork over money, and you should not feel embarrassed for declining to donate."
Mormons and Romney can go rot in hell!
Not true. The standard by which society functions best was passed down and preserved by Jews. This standard Catholics adopted and chose to include in their canon of scripture. It composes 2/3rds of the book.
That a boy. You got that great commission down pat. you go.
Likewise that aliens have an underground base near Roswell!
USA
If the pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock today; they’d call the place New Sodom and hightail it back to England!
(I read this somewhere yesterday...)
Or even any FAKE ‘evidence’!
(Where’s Hoffman when you really NEED him?)
"No one ever expects the Inquisition."
Indeed it does!
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Christianity is the foundation of civilization, and its sustainer. And I'll include The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
Rot is hell? Me? Perhaps. If you end up in hell stop on by and we'll chat about the old times on FR.
Sorry, II my previous post should have gone to dalereed.
Thank God. I was just about to put my raincoat and rubber boots on. :-)
What about the FUNDAMENTALIST Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints?
Do THEY get any credit?
How about THESE guys??
"We do not indorse the teachings of any so-called Mormons or Latter Day Saints, which are in conflict with the gospel of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, as taught in the New Testament and the Book of Mormon. They have departed in a great measure from the faith of the Church of Christ as it was first established, by heeding revelations given through Joseph Smith, who, after being called of God to translate his sacred word--the Book of Mormon--drifted into many errors and gave many revelations to introduce doctrines, ordinances and offices in the church, which are in conflict with Christ's teachings."
-- David Whitmer (an elder in the Church of Christ), 1887
Today, there are as many as 100 organizations claiming to be a part of the Latter Day Saint movement, most centered in Utah or Missouri. Most regard their own group, however small, to be the only legitimate Christian church. Most of these organizations are very small, but overall, but the second largest denomination, the Community of Christ, reports over 200,000 members.
Just a sampling...........
Back when the polygamists from TEXAS were all in the news, the Salt Lake City based MORMONs were all atwitter (no - not that social networking thing) about making SURE that America (and the World) KNEW the SLC bunch were the ONLY ones who were REAL Mormons; even though THEY no longer fllow their own 'scripture' (D&C 132) and the Flds folks do!
Much EMPHASIS was placed on the typing of FUNDAMENTAL in caps by SLC apologists.
I do it becuase that is how we have seen in in the media.
Lol. Well, seeing that God founded the Catholic Church there is no "was" concerning the foundation of civilization; no past tense applies. The Church will be here until the end of time. The ebb and flow is just part of the historical process. The one True Church will live forever.
Mormonism is not a Christian organization, yet mormons are good folks. They also help preserve the white short-sleeve shirts and family unity, and such. But they cannot be a part of any discussion in regards to Christianity since they do not follow basic Christian Doctrine.
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