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Posted on 07/18/2009 12:58:27 PM PDT by bdeaner
Me neither!
The Catholic Church is "the Church."
Plentiful and well-documented.
None of that says “divinity.”
YOU say that says “divinity.”
But it does not.
Centuries upon centuries of scholarship that you do not understand.
This is the most exquisite example of The Game that I have ever seen.
Catholics don't believe what they say they believe, they believe what the anti-Catholic bigot says they believe.
Further, they deny they believe what the anti-Catholic bigot says they believe so that they can make the anti-Catholic bigot look bad.
O hubris, thy name is Talisker.
I have...And I see many Catholics worshiping Mary...
From the article (you know, the one that is the point of this thread?):
Zenit: Why, in your opinion, does Mary keep appearing to people all over the globe? Is there a common theme in the various apparitions of the Virgin?
Shea: ...If you are living a serious Catholic life... you are doing everything that all those visions, miraculous healings, and dancing suns were wrought by God to say to the human race.
Notice - he doesn’t say, what apparitions? Rather, he acknowledges “visions, miraculous healings, and dancing suns” which, of course, are attributed to Mary, but which he specifies as “wrought by God.”
And this is my point - that the Church is making an enormous effort to tell millions of Catholics receiving “apparitions of the Virgin, visions, miraculous healings, and dancing suns” that Mary is NOT divine, because they are confused by these apparently divine experiences into believing that Mary IS divine.
So, in a direct question about Mary, the author of the book attributes these Marian experiences to God, and doesn’t mention Mary. Why? Because that is the point he is making: that that is the problem the Church has, that many, many Catholics - not thousands, but due to Mary’s many, many, personal interventions and public apparitions (i.e Medjugorje, etc.), millions - believe Mary is divine.
And, according to the Catholic Church, this error must be corrected.
That mere EXISTENCE of these simple, obvious and well-known facts are met by relentless denial, ridicule, slander and personal attacks on this thread merely underscores the intense concern the Church has over this issue. And as usual in such a situation, there are always true believers quite willing to charge off and slaughter the heretics for even observing the problem exists.
Heretically speaking, therefore, perhaps it is precisely that eager willingness of so many true believers to crush contemplative thought in the name of protecting doctrine, that has caused Mary to now resort to contacting so many of her children directly.
You do realize that the word used for the brothers and sisters of Jesus is the same word used EVERYWHERE in the New Testament for brother or sister...don’t you?
There is another word for cousin, which is not used. Brother can mean fellow countryman, but that makes no sense in the context, since EVERYONE at the event was, in that sense, his brother and sister.
I don’t care IF Mary remained a virgin, but it is certainly not the plain teaching of scripture. Catholics believe it because the Pope has declared it, not because the Scriptures suggest it - and Scripture certainly does NOT require it!
Not guilty...I am again mocking the Catholic depiction of the event...You guys most always make Mary much larger than Jesus...You always depict the Son of God as some effeminate wimp...And this statue is no different...Always elevating the mother above the Son...
I don’t normally comment on debates like this but something struck me while reading the back and forth posts. I have learned a great deal about Roman Catholic doctrine on Free Republic. A running complaint from a number of your fellow Catholics, here on Free Republic, has been a lack of full understanding of Catholic doctrine by numbers of Catholics who have been poorly catechized. If there are over a billion Catholics in the world I would suggest, respectfully, that it is not that far out of line to suggest that “some tens of millions” of Catholics don’t understand the role of Mary in official Catholic doctrine. If 50 million don’t have a proper understanding, it still means that more than 95% do. BTW, it was a Catholic brother-in-Christ whose prayer, friendship and practical help were key in my return to a relationship with Jesus Christ. God bless you
That's why your wrong...So you think Jesus was born as God with flesh...Sinless flesh on top of it...You need to put down those Catholic books of propaganda, dump your logic and read what God has to say about it in the scriptures...
God was not flesh until He joined with Mary.
Are you drunk?
WHAT?? The Cardinal os saying the exact thing I did....no Catholics WORSIP Saints...they are VEVERATED....REVERED....NOT ADORED! God is ADORED!
“Joining flesh with a sinful Mary would mean that Christ takes on a sinful nature because He took a flesh from a sinful human nature to become true man and true God.”
Maybe I’m not understanding what you are saying. Jesus became fully man, and was fully tested by sin. How could He have been tempted as we are, if He didn’t fully partake of humanity?
Jesus conquered sin. He didn’t escape temptation, but neither did He give in to it.
Some of your earliest church fathers quoted from the Majority text, NOT from the Septuagint...One of these days I may get ambitious and look up the references again...
That fact alone is enough to debunk the Septuagint theory...
You can dump all you want...All that proves is that Origen copied the Greek of the NT when he created the Septuagint in about 350 AD...
Apparently these people don't even read their own church history other than the talking points that their church pushes...
In this paragraph, it is acknowledged that the 'Church' is the pope and the institution...
The faithful are NOT the church which is a direct contradiction of God (again) and the scriptures...
I'm not Catholic...
What is wrong with my understanding of the Catholic Church's teachings about Mary? I have stated that the Church teaches she is not divine, but rather the Mother of God and an intercessionary responsive to prayer, existing in spirit and body in heaven and declared exalted by the pope. Do you have a problem with that?
But why do I ask - instead of simply stating your personal Catholic faith, you post dog cartoons.
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