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To: stfassisi; HarleyD; wmfights; Alex Murphy; Lord_Calvinus; blue-duncan; xzins; P-Marlowe; ...
The Gospel doesn't say that a person who never knew Jesus will be rejected. Christ refers to those who disbelieve Him, such as the Pharisees - when He speaks in John 3, for example. In Romans 2, Paul says that all men, even the Gentiles, have a law written on their heart. The Catechism details the "natural law" pretty well. Basically, God has written onto our hearts the Law of Love. Even a person who has never heard of Jesus Christ can "know" this law. If a person loves, He abides in Christ. 1 John makes that statement several times. We know that we can do nothing good without Christ abiding within us. Thus, when a person who has never heard of Christ can listen to that divine natural law printed inside of us - and the Spirit blows where He will. Thus, a person who has never heard of Jesus Christ CAN be saved - because they are not specifically rejecting Him - AND they ARE following His Law of Love - which is the summary of the Commandments, says James.The Catechism refers to the Muslims - Some have not heard the truth of the Gospel, so they cannot reject it. They have been presented a scare crow by their mullahs, so they are considered invincibly ignorant (as the Catechism calls them and other such people). A person will not go to hell if he is invincibly ignorant and loves others.Some

Muslims don't know Jesus Christ and the Gospel. They haven't been presented it.

When a person loves unconditionally,They have Christ abiding within them

Your post reveals the pathetic emptiness of Rome's desire to elevate "natural law" to the same position as the Gospel.

Scripture tells us Jesus Christ is the truth and the way. God can certainly do what He wants, but He has told us of His ordained path to heaven - and it's not simply to "love unconditionally." It's to love the truth of Christ risen.

According to you, if a man loves his schnauzer "unconditionally," he's "got Christ abiding within him."

The only foolish people who believe that are Rome and PETA.

Even the natural law is subject to the curse of Adam. There is no neutrality in this life. There are only believers and disbelievers, by the predestining will and purpose of the Triune God.

"For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive?" -- 1 Corinthians 4:7

42 posted on 06/20/2009 10:37:23 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
There are only believers and disbelievers, by the predestining will and purpose of the Triune God.

That's not the Almighty God of the Bible you're describing, that's Jean Cauvin's little pocket deity, dark and sadistic (in Cauvin's own image).

43 posted on 06/20/2009 10:38:57 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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Hi, Diamond. Hope you and your family are well. I'm always happy to read your Scriptural, God-glorifying posts.

Ping to post 42.

44 posted on 06/20/2009 10:40:52 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Scripture tells us Jesus Christ is the truth and the way

ALL unconditional love is Christ abiding in us,thus ,ANY person who loves has Christ abiding in them

"7 Dearly beloved, let us love one another, for charity is of God. And every one that loveth, is born of God, and knoweth God. 8 He that loveth not, knoweth not God: for God is charity." 1 John 7-8

Did you NOTICE that the scripture says EVERY ONE who loves?

56 posted on 06/20/2009 12:09:28 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Rome and PETA. Now there is a team. LOL.

You have well identified the Pelagianism (not even Semi) skulking around the Vatican. There is a “capacity of goodness” in the “well-intentioned” hearts of all men according to this heresy from Hell. But, indeed, there is no neutrality. We are dead in trespasses and sin OR we have been pulled through the knot-hole backwards into Life everlasting.

I have noticed that Total Depravity just doesn’t compute with Rome’s frame of mind, as if that is just too harsh a position to take with mankind. But, until they come to grips with that toe-tag dead heart of sin held in every chest, they just will not see how precious that shed blood really was. It always remains a kind of band-aid, repair kit for “slip ups” and “shortcomings”, rather than that blessed saving flood that washes filthy sinners clean.


82 posted on 06/20/2009 2:22:01 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Scripture tells us Jesus Christ is the truth and the way. God can certainly do what He wants, but He has told us of His ordained path to heaven - and it's not simply to "love unconditionally." It's to love the truth of Christ risen.

To know, know, know Him is to love, love, love Him...and I do. {can you hear the music?}

Athanasian Creed

1. Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith;

2. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.

3. And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity;

4. Neither confounding the persons nor dividing the substance.

5. For there is one person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Spirit.

6. But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is all one, the glory equal, the majesty coeternal.

7. Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit.

8. The Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit uncreated.

9. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Spirit incomprehensible.

10. The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal.

11. And yet they are not three eternals but one eternal.

12. As also there are not three uncreated nor three incomprehensible, but one uncreated and one incomprehensible.

13. So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Spirit almighty.

14. And yet they are not three almighties, but one almighty.

15. So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God;

16. And yet they are not three Gods, but one God.

17. So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Spirit Lord;

18. And yet they are not three Lords but one Lord.

19. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord;

20. So are we forbidden by the catholic religion to say; There are three Gods or three Lords.

21. The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten.

22. The Son is of the Father alone; not made nor created, but begotten.

23. The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.

24. So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits.

25. And in this Trinity none is afore or after another; none is greater or less than another.

26. But the whole three persons are coeternal, and coequal.

27. So that in all things, as aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshipped.

28. He therefore that will be saved must thus think of the Trinity.

29. Furthermore it is necessary to everlasting salvation that he also believe rightly the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ.

30. For the right faith is that we believe and confess that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and man.

31. God of the substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and man of substance of His mother, born in the world.

32. Perfect God and perfect man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting.

33. Equal to the Father as touching His Godhead, and inferior to the Father as touching His manhood.

34. Who, although He is God and man, yet He is not two, but one Christ.

35. One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh, but by taking of that manhood into God.

36. One altogether, not by confusion of substance, but by unity of person.

37. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man, so God and man is one Christ;

38. Who suffered for our salvation, descended into hell, rose again the third day from the dead;

39. He ascended into heaven, He sits on the right hand of the Father, God, Almighty;

40. From thence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead.

41. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies;

42. and shall give account of their own works.

43. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting and they that have done evil into everlasting fire.

44. This is the catholic faith, which except a man believe faithfully he cannot be saved.

99 posted on 06/20/2009 4:05:43 PM PDT by suzyjaruki (What is coming next?)
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