Posted on 06/15/2009 1:42:58 PM PDT by NYer
The writers of the New Testament are the fathers of the Catholic Church. The capital of the Roman empire had nothing to do it. It was Catholic Saints like St. (Pope) Peter, St. Paul, Sts. Matthew, Mark, Luke & John, and so forth.
Christ Founded the Catholic Church.
What happened to Miss Marpole? Did you cloister her away from the light of day?
Perhaps she couldn’t stand the stench of your anti-Catholic hate.
The believers here love you guys, we just don’t want you stuck in the morass of error peddled by that group called the Catholic Church. It is a cult of monstrous proportion, holding captives the way the Pharisees loved to hold the common man from Israel captive.
That’s about as logical as it gets.
Nice how your language tries to exclude Catholics from “believers.”
Those men were the Jewish apostles and disciples that lived with Jesus. Your club’s claim to them lacks historical and factual support. But, that hasn’t stopped the big hats from mangling their words and peddling error.
Gotta get back to work.
By the way, your ‘circular argument’ comment doesn’t hold up. That’s like saying you can’t prove that the President lives in the White House by looking into the White House. It is looking into the White House that will provide the necessary proof. The fulfilled prophecies, the amazing consistency, and the many scientific statements of the Bible prove it to be the word of God. They provide evidence that it is supernatural in origin. The Bible is unique in its continuity, circulation, translation, survival and withstanding of attack. Clearly, the Bible is the word of God.
Of course they were Jewish, ethnically. The minute they came to believe Christ was the Messiah, they were Christians, and at that time (Pentecost), that meant the Catholic Church.
I should have said:
Pentecost...if not before.
Miss Marple,
To put it simply, no, the so-called ‘Gospel of Judas’ and ‘Gospel of Thomas’ are not Scripture. Take a look at this article for clarification:
http://www.comereason.org/cmp_rlgn/cmp006.asp
That is a very peculiar statement coming from one who calls John Calvin “dirty, devlish, sick, twisted, (did I leave any of the kindnesses out?)”
I don’t believe I called him dirty, but based on his body of work, the other adjectives certainly apply.
Replacing God with one in his own image? Sick.
The cleansing of and purifying of sins is waht Catholics call purgatory. St Paul wrote "though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire" (1Cor 3:15)
One last post, then have to run.
You quote a passage smaller than the sum of the verses I quoted and I am taking this out of context? Read the entire book, then. Jesus is not telling them to grab a fork and knife and chow down on his femur. That would, however, more closely match the words than the crazy interpretation your group wants to make of this. If you stick with “Christ’s instructions” then you actually have to eat Him.
But, to conclude that this empowered some character to wave his hands over crackers and wine and thereby mystically, spiritually transubstantiate the stuff to Jesus’ real body is utter nonsense. No wonder the Reformation had to speak up. We shall continue to shine light into the darkness.
The differance between Catholic and Protestant bibles is the 1500’s Reformation and the Council of Trent. There is even an example of the difference of bible printers excluding certain books because they were written in Greek rather than Latin
Also look at Hebrews 12:29 describes God as a “consuming fire”; and as we have seen, without holiness no one will see Him, and in I Cor # St. Paul speaks of Christians undergoing a fiery trial of their works; things done for God, with a right motive, are rewarded; while worthless deeds done in the flesh are consumed. This is purgatory, the time of final cleasing and purification of the soul as one enters the presence of God.” this was in a Michael Matthews phamplet on Purgatory
You’re taking a few snippets of Scripture out of context and twisting them to suit your purpose. There is no Scriptural support for the concept of Purgatory, period. To suggest anything else is to suggest that the work of Christ on the cross was insufficient.
I guess I could say “faith without works is dead” but that would be provocative. I AM citing the scriptures here you ask for. As for the work of Micael Matthews on the subject which I included are not twisted and out of context, indeed one of the concepts of reading scriptures in the Catholic church is not to take scripturre out of context but read the whole passage, and as a former Methodist, Lutheran, Baptist I know what taken out of context IS!
I specifically said three times I was referring to the entire chapter.
Jesus is not telling them to grab a fork and knife and chow down on his femur.
The words of a vulgar anti-Catholic bigot.
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