Posted on 05/07/2009 12:54:59 PM PDT by wagglebee
PHOENIX, Arizona, May 7, 2009 (LifeSiteNews.com) - An openly homosexual Roman Catholic priest of the diocese of Phoenix, who once endorsed a pornographic film entitled "Naked Boys Singing" for a homosexualist paper, has been excommunicated by Bishop Thomas Olmsted.
The excommunication of Fr. Chris Carpenter, who has long been publicly opposed to the Church's condemnation of active homosexuality, was issued last month but only made public on Monday.
After Bishop Olmsted repeatedly chastised him for his homosexual activism, Carpenter precipitated the excommunication by joining the "Reformed Catholic Church," an offshoot religious group that endorses homosexuality, homosexual priests, and women priests.
While Carpenter had been in the process of repudiating the Catholic Church for the last three years, in an email sent to supporters and quoted in the East Valley Tribune, Carpenter said he has "had a fire lit under me in recent months via several critical letters from Bishop Olmsted of Phoenix."
"Among other things," wrote Carpenter, Bishop Olmsted "disapproves of my 'involvement in the homosexual community,'" citing his participation in a Los Angeles homosexual ministry.
An avid film buff, Carpenter had offered reviews of films for publications such as Orange County and Long Beach Blade and the Movie Dearest blog, both of which are heavily pro-homosexuality.
In one column for The Blade in November 2007, Carpenter praised the advent of more full-frontal male nudity in several films. "Anyone with a locker-room fetish ought to run out and see Eleven Men Out," he wrote.
Carpenter added a recommendation for a movie titled Naked Boys Singing - which is rife with songs celebrating homosexual sex - "if after seeing these eye-filling spectacles you still haven't had your fill of naked men."
"Here's hoping a full-frontal Santa fills your stocking this Christmas, and that all your holiday wishes come true!" wrote Carpenter.
In another Blade column, Carpenter complained of the Vatican's stance against homosexual priests as "prejudicial, hypocritical, and cruel," saying that the Vatican "didn't offer any evidence to support" the ban on homosexual priests.
The Catholic Church has in recent years received stinging criticism from non-Catholics and Catholics alike for its policy excluding homosexuals from the priesthood. However, the Church has maintained that loosening this restriction in the seminaries in previous decades has had dire consequences for the Catholic community. In 2002, the USCCB released a study commissioned to John Jay College that showed adolescent boys were the victims of 80-90% of offending priests in the U.S. sex abuse scandal.
In November 2005, the Vatican restated its policy against active homosexuals in the priesthood, a few months after the American priest abuse scandal triggered an official investigation of U.S. seminaries.
Distinguishing between homosexual activity and persons with homosexual tendencies, the papal-approved document states that homosexual persons are "in a situation that gravely hinders them from relating correctly to men and women."
Therefore, it states, "One must in no way overlook the negative consequences that can derive from the ordination of persons with deep-seated homosexual tendencies."
See related LifeSiteNews.com coverage:
Church Abuse Crisis- Notable Articles, Documents & Quotes
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Vatican Encourages Psychological Testing to Prevent Homosexual Priesthood
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/oct/08103004.html
Homosexuals Not Permitted in Any Seminaries, Reaffirms Vatican
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/may/08052009.html
Ban on Homosexual Men From Priesthood Was Always in Place - Decision from 810 A.D. Cited
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2005/nov/05113001.html
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Ah, the rest of the closet revealed. Now if we could just get Barney and the rest of the group to come out.
Gee, do ya think? Sheesh!
What's with these homosexuals and young boys? They want us to "tolerate" it?
And what's with all this homo fetish stuff in the news lately? Are the politicians dumping them now that they're no longer useful?
We must conclude that they prohibit pedophilia and bestiality. Bigots!!!!
Well,we’ve all seen in vivid detail what homosexuals brought to the priesthood.Now they want to bring that same “magic” to the institution of marriage.
http://www.nationalreview.com/03june02/kurtz060302.asp
They probably allow vegetophilia, though ...
Remember when the Legion of Decency used to condemn certain films on behalf of the Catholic Church?
My how times have changed.
Prayers for this man.
“Remember when the Legion of Decency used to condemn certain films on behalf of the Catholic Church?
My how times have changed.”
You are NOT kidding! What happened to the Legion of Decency?
The Diocessan newspaper explains it best:
A diocesan priest incurred the penalty of excommunication last month by joining a group known as the Reformed Catholic Church.
Fr. Christopher Carpenter, on leave from his priestly duties since February 2006, was notified of his excommunication in a letter from Bishop Thomas J. Olmsted dated April 21.
In an East Valley Tribune blog last month, it was publicly revealed that Fr. Carpenter had joined the Reformed Catholic Church, a group that is not in communion with the Roman Catholic Church.
Fr. Carpenter has freely separated himself from the Church and has placed himself in schism. This act resulted in a censure known as a latae sententiae excommunication.
As an excommunicated priest, Fr. Carpenter cannot participate in the celebration of the Mass or in any other ceremonies of worship. He is also prohibited from celebrating or receiving any of the sacraments, and cannot represent himself as a priest.
“It is important for the bishop to publicly clarify the status of a priest when he has taken such a step to distance himself from the Catholic Church,” said Fr. Fred Adamson, vicar general and moderator of the Curia. “The bishop’s desire is for reconciliation and unity.”
Fr. Carpenter, 41, has been living in southern California for the past three years since taking his leave of absence as pastor of Christ the King Parish in Mesa. He was also the film critic for The Catholic Sun. He was ordained a priest in 1995.
According to canon law, baptized Catholics who knowingly place themselves outside of full communion with the Church and in opposition to the legitimate authority of the Church are subject to excommunication.
The excommunication became “automatic” once Fr. Carpenter became affiliated with the Reformed Catholic Church. The bishop’s notice to him, the “Decree of Excommunication,” was the formal declaration of what had already happened by virtue of his schismatic act.
The primary purpose of excommunication is to repair the scandal caused by the teachings and actions of the cleric, to restore justice in the Church and to reform the offender.
“It’s always difficult to see a brother priest take such action and distance himself from the community and the sacramental life of the Church,” Fr. Adamson said.
The bishop expressed sadness in Fr. Carpenter’s decision to leave the Church and offers his prayers for reconciliation with Christ and His Church.
The decree of excommunication was a confirmation for the situation that already existed latae sentinae when he joined this other group. It is necessary to inform the Catholic diocese that this guy is no longer in communion with the Church...so if he represents himself as a Catholic priest, the laity in the diocese should know (if they read the diocesan newspaper) that they shouldn't give him their confession, receive communion from him, or let him marry them, baptize their kids, or whatever.
Kennedy, Pelosi, Biden, Kerry haven't gone out and publicly joined another group like this priest has. Even if they had done so, a decree wouldn't have been issued, because it wouldn't be needed. None of them are likely to represent themselves as a Catholic priest (well, except Pelosi, who said she wanted to be a priest when she was young...but that's a different thread that has already been discussed).
Remember you non-Catholics that excommunication is a last resort and is meant to bring the person around to confession and returning to The Church. It’s not something done lightly.
List of Catholics in this Congress:
Senate Democrats: Mark Begich, Alaska; Joseph Biden, Delaware; Maria Cantwell, Washington; Robert P. Casey Jr., Pennsylvania; Christopher J. Dodd, Connecticut; Richard Durbin, Illinois; Tom Harkin, Iowa; Edward M. Kennedy, Massachusetts; John F. Kerry, Massachusetts; Mary Landrieu, Louisiana; Patrick J. Leahy, Vermont; Claire McCaskill, Missouri; Robert Menendez, New Jersey; Barbara Mikulski, Maryland; Patty Murray, Washington; Jack Reed, Rhode Island; and Ken Salazar, Colorado.
Senate Republicans: Sam Brownback, Kansas; Jim Bunning, Kentucky; Susan Collins, Maine; Mike Johanns, Nebraska; Mel Martinez, Florida; Lisa Murkowski, Alaska; Jim Risch, Idaho; David Vitter, Louisiana; and George Voinovich, Ohio.
House Democrats: Jason Altmire, Pennsylvania; Michael A. Arcuri, New York; Joe Baca, California; Xavier Becerra, California; Timothy H. Bishop, New York; John Boccieri, Ohio; Robert Brady, Pennsylvania; Michael E. Capuano, Massachusetts; Dennis A. Cardoza, California; Christopher P. Carney, Pennsylvania; William Lacy Clay, Missouri; Gerald E. Connolly, Virginia; Jim Costa, California; Jerry F. Costello, Illinois; Joe Courtney, Connecticut; Joseph Crowley, New York; Henry Cuellar, Texas; Kathy Dahlkemper, Pennsylvania; Peter DeFazio, Oregon; William D. Delahunt, Massachusetts; Rosa L. DeLauro, Connecticut; John D. Dingell, Michigan; Joe Donnelly, Indiana; Michael F. Doyle, Pennsylvania; Steve Driehaus, Ohio; Brad Ellsworth, Indiana; Anna Eshoo, California; Kirsten E. Gillibrand, New York; Charlie Gonzalez, Texas; Raul M. Grijalva, Arizona; Luis V. Gutierrez, Illinois; John J. Hall, New York; Phil Hare, Illinois; Brian Higgins, New York; Maurice D. Hinchey, New York; Ruben Hinojosa, Texas; Tim Holden, Pennsylvania; and Paul Kanjorski, Pennsylvania.
Also, Marcy Kaptur, Ohio; Patrick J. Kennedy, Rhode Island; Dale E. Kildee, Michigan; Mary Jo Kilroy, Ohio; Ann Kirkpatrick, Arizona; Dennis J. Kucinich, Ohio; James R. Langevin, Rhode Island; John B. Larson, Connecticut; Daniel Lipinski, Illinois; Ben Ray Lujan, New Mexico; Stephen F. Lynch, Massachusetts; Dan Maffei, New York; Betsy Markey, Colorado; Ed Markey, Massachusetts; Jim Marshall, Georgia; Eric Massa, New York; Carolyn McCarthy, New York; Betty McCollum, Minnesota; James P. McGovern, Massachusetts; Michael E. McMahon, New York; Jerry McNerney, California; Charlie Melancon, Louisiana; Michael H. Michaud, Maine; George Miller, California; Harry E. Mitchell, Arizona; James P. Moran, Virginia; Patrick J. Murphy, Pennsylvania; and John P. Murtha, Pennsylvania.
Also, Grace F. Napolitano, California; Richard E. Neal, Massachusetts; James L. Oberstar, Minnesota; David R. Obey, Wisconsin; Frank Pallone, New Jersey; Bill Pascrell, New Jersey; Ed Pastor, Arizona; Nancy Pelosi, California; Tom Perriello, Virginia; Charles B. Rangel, New York; Silvestre Reyes, Texas; Ciro D. Rodriguez, Texas; Lucille Roybal-Allard, California; Tim Ryan, Ohio; John T. Salazar, Colorado; Linda T. Sanchez, California; Loretta Sanchez, California; Jose E. Serrano, New York; Joe Sestak, Pennsylvania; Carol Shea-Porter, New Hampshire; Albio Sires, New Jersey; Hilda L. Solis, California; Bart Stupak, Michigan; Ellen Tauscher, California; Gene Taylor, Mississippi; Mike Thompson, California; Paul Tonko, New York; Nydia M. Velazquez, New York; Peter J. Visclosky, Indiana; Diane E. Watson, California; Peter Welch, Vermont; and Charles A. Wilson, Ohio.
House Republicans: Steve Austria, Ohio; Brian P. Bilbray, California; John Boehner, Ohio; Kevin Brady, Texas; Ginny Brown-Waite, Florida; David Camp, Michigan; Anh “Joseph” Cao, Louisiana; Michael N. Castle, Delaware; Lincoln Diaz-Balart, Florida; Mario Diaz-Balart, Florida; Jeff Fortenberry, Nebraska; Virginia Foxx, North Carolina; Phil Gingrey, Georgia; Walter B. Jones, North Carolina; Peter T. King, New York; Steve King, Iowa; Leonard Lance, New Jersey; and Bob Latta, Ohio.
Also, Frank A. LoBiondo, New Jersey; Blaine Luetkemeyer, Missouri; Daniel E. Lungren, California; Connie Mack IV, Florida; Michael T. McCaul, Texas; Thaddeus G. McCotter, Michigan; Patrick T. McHenry, North Carolina; John M. McHugh, New York; Tim Murphy, Pennsylvania; Devin Nunes, California; George Radanovich, California; Tom Rooney, Florida; Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Florida; Edward R. Royce, California; Paul Ryan, Wisconsin; Steve Scalise, Louisiana; Jean Schmidt, Ohio; Christopher H. Smith, New Jersey; John Sullivan, Oklahoma; and Patrick J. Tiberi, Ohio.
http://www.americancatholic.org/news/newsreport.aspx?id=551
Was he at St. Bridget”s???? Man......that “church” had a he/she person from the Green Party up there making announcements about how there should be free buses!!(I know because I CALLED HE/SHE that night to see what He/She was all about. I left and went to another Church for Mass, but St. Bridget’s had to be the MOST LIBERAL church I’d ever seen.
Bring Back “The Legion of Decency”!!!! I was NOT allowed to go to any movie that didn’t have the seal of approval from the Legion of Decency!!
I don’t know, I’ve never been to Phoenix.
Me either. Those were the days.
“Those Were The Days”
Boy, the way Glenn Miller played. Songs that made the Hit Parade.
Guys like us, we had it made. Those were the days.
Didn’t need no welfare state. Everybody pulled his weight.
Gee, our old LaSalle ran great. Those were the days.
And you know who you were then. Girls were girls and men were men.
Mister, we could use a man like Herbert Hoover again.
People seemed to be content. Fifty dollars paid the rent.
Freaks were in a circus tent. Those were the days.
Take a little Sunday spin, go to watch the Dodgers win.
Have yourself a dandy day that cost you under a fin.
Hair was short and skirts were long. Kate Smith really sold a song.
I don’t know just what went wrong. Those Were The Days.
You know, that’s not a bad song at all.
FMCDH(BITS)
What happened to the Legion of Decency?
He used to be the pastor at Christ the King in Mesa.
I'm sorry, this is just a sore spot deluxe with me. I am just absolutely sick about people that have no alignment with Jesus Christ, that murder babies, that approve of sodomy, and shout their disagreement with the Church from the roof tops, and are still accepted into the fold. You cannot be saved without repentance. You must END your rebellion with God. These people are angry that God disagrees with them and don't care if the church knows it. They OPENLY mock the church. IMHO, it's time for the church to make a statement that we love all comers, but you must repent of your rebellion against God. If there is no repentance, there is no salvation. Warming a pew and paying a tithe isn't going to get it done. Repeatedly, I am told that these aren't "real" Catholics and I don't need to worry about it anyway. Well, they say they are Catholic and the Church accepts them as Catholics. Until they receive some sort of sanction from the Church, it makes the Church look complicit in their sin. If the Church accepts abortion and sodomy, then it has become a farce.
Some Church official needs to stand up to these powerful figures and say that they can't buy their way into Heaven. If they still receive the sacraments, then the Church agrees with them.
Well, he was ordained under the previous Bishop of Phoenix and was never overtly homosexual, though he "ministered" to this crowd. You know, the "programs" started by some in the Church which were very weak in terms of correct teaching and essentially meant to be surreptitious of Church teaching in a clever way precisely by being weak as opposed to overt.
Bishop Olmsted came along and put a stop to those programs in Phoenix at which point Fr. Carpenter decided to resign the priesthood (about 3 years ago). From the Church's point of view it is not that easy - though suspended, Fr. Carpenter was still under the authority of Bishop Olmsted because of his priestly vows. He apparently has been in So Cal since then creating/joining/whatever in this new false church and publicly displaying that he indeed is a practicing homosexual.
Automatic Excommunication. The good Bishop has now made it public and confirmed it's reality. Maybe one day Fr. Carpenter will "confess, do penance, and amend his life for the better" and come back home to God and His Church. We should hope and pray so because, objectively speaking, the alternative for Fr. Carpenter has frightening consequences for not just his life here on earth, but eternity.
All in all there is a process that has to be followed by the bishops. It can seem slow at times, but 2,000 years of experience by the Church shows that it works out better in the long run.
Revelation 12: 13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach. 15 Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. 16 But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring — those who obey God’s commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
I did say that a formal declaration of excommunication was made for the priest for schism, not for any other cause (including being a faggot).
I also did say that, in fact, he excommunicated himself by his actions. I also did say that the sole reason why this excommunication was solemnized was for the protection of the faithful in the area.
So please get what I said right, before pontificating on it.
Had the priest been punished for being a pervert, he would not have been excommunicated (believe it or not). He would have been laicized (i.e., stripped of the rights to exercise a priestly ministry or the right to call himself a priest). But there would not have been a declaration of excommunication. (Would that mean he wouldn't be excommunicated if he persisted? No, but the excommunication would have been latae sententiae -- in other words, automatic...no declaration of excommunication is needed)
Please try to read what I wrote.
Now, as to the content of what you wrote.
To a degree, I agree with you. However, I can't help but to believe that it is getting better than it was in the past.
Take your memory back to last August, when Ms. Pelosi decided that she was a licensed theologian and started teaching "theology" on Meet the Press. Do you recall that? And do you recall the reaction of the bishops?
Then you have Biden making his comments last August. Again, a strong reaction.
And, of course, who could forget Pelosi's meeting with the Holy Father last February, where she related how she shared a picture of her father(?) in an audience, and the Holy Father released a summary stressing his mandate to protect human life from conception onwards. (All while denying her a photo op)
Then with the Notre Shame scandal. And other bishops starting to attend to the invitees to college commencements within their own dioceses.
Not all the bishops (nor do I pretend otherwise). Not all the incidents (nor do I pretend otherwise).
But, seriously, could you imagine even one bishop 10 years ago saying anything? I can't.
Could you imagine more bishops than you could count on one hand doing so 5 years ago?
There are two hundred some odd bishops in this country. Sixty six (the number that have come out against Notre Shame) is not perfect; it's not even good. But 10 years ago or even 5 years ago, there's no way I could predict that this many bishops would make such an uproar as has happened. Nor would I have predicted ANY bishops saying anything about Pelosi or Biden, as happened last fall.
The point is I am seeing an improvement. It's slow. It's frustrating. But it is happening.
But rather than merely b***hing complaining on an online forum, what are you doing in the real world?
Is it being preached about in your parish? Have you talked to any of your priests about it? Have you agitated with any of your fellow parishoners to start raising the roof about the subject?
Have you written any letters about the subject? (Not complaints, not threats, but well thought out letters citing the appropriate sources backing up your feelings) Have you written letters to the editor of your local diocesan newspaper and encouraged your orthodox friends to do the same?
When your bishop comes to visit (as most do to most parishes at least once a year...at least around confirmation time), have you gone up and expressed your concerns? Perhaps relating real world stories of where you've heard people justify their disobedience because of the inaction regarding high profile "Catholics?" Or heaven forbid, have you tried to make an appointment to go talk to your bishop or an auxillary? Have you encouraged your orthodox friends to do the same?
Do you contribute to your Bishop's Appeal? If so, may I suggest stopping it...and letting him know that the reason why you don't is because you don't want to materially contribute to whatever evil is being supported by his fund.
Look, they hear from the libs. They hear from the queers demanding their rights. They hear from their fiduciary advisors concerns that some people might be offended and close their wallets. Maybe they need to hear from Orthodox Catholics.
You can do complain without showing some kind of disrespect for the bishop, too, by the way. Express your concern. Respectfully. Express what you know of the theology (or canon law or whatever) behind that concern. Respectfully. Express your observations on the impact. Respectfully. And then ask and listen. Respectfully.
But just complaining on an online forum is not going to cause the bishops to do anything -- chances are there aren't too many bishops who are FReepers. A couple of priests, yes. Bishops...don't think so.
I'm glad!
I've been thinking a lot about this lately, but I "took a number" to stand in line, and it was 2,499,999. :-)
I *have* been thinking of writing a letter, but I don't know if Archbishop Dolan would ever see it.
I'm very proud of Bishop Olmsted.
I guess I just can't win. Either I'm the one that needs to stir up the Church fathers, or I need to mind my own "lay" business.
I admit it, I'm too stupid to figure out how baby killers are fawned over one minute, and then a newspaper piece comes out from a Bishop condemning the same sin that was just voted on by their congressmen that took communion last week. And to top it all off, they run the next election and all the good Catholics vote for the Catholic because he/she is a Catholic. If the Catholic had horns and a tail, they would still get elected cause they are Catholic. I just don't get it.
Course, I'm from the south and really can't understand anyone from Massachusetts. The same "good" Catholics vote for Bwarney Fwank and to my knowledge, he's not even a Christian. How many Catholics voted for Obama and he's a guy who's only legislation he promoted in the Ill. legislature was to kill a baby AFTER it was born. I've heard it was 52%+. Somebody isn't communicating something from the church.
All I know is when Kennedy finally takes his last breath, I will have to leave the TV and computer off for a week. I won't be able to stomach all the Church hierarchy ooohing and aahhhhing over our fine catholic brother, the great humanitarian, and all the good he has done representing the church over the years. I will VOMIT. I'm sure it will be complete with men wearing kilts and blowing Amazing Grace from bagpipes. I'm sure they will even have quotes from the Kopechne family praising his heroics back at the bridge. As you can see, I have forgiveness issues I'm working on. After 40 million dead babies and a dead mistress, ( not to mention divorce), I just have trouble when he claims to be a Catholic. Hey, who am I to judge? Hitler may have made it also. God is a good God.
It is YOUR fault and MY fault and all CATHOLICS' fault who complain but don't do anything about it. That's absolutely right.
Course, I'm from the south and really can't understand anyone from Massachusetts.
I know first hand that there are folk from MD who do the same thing. They complain to each other yet don't complain to the "right people" (as you say). But they're sick of it. I am confident that there are folk in MA who are fed up, as well as people in CA, and so on.
And I would wager that you are not the only one in your parish who is sick to death of seeing that. You might be. But I doubt it.
The problem is that the libtards are the ones who always complain. "The Church is not INCLUSIVE enough." "We believe there should be WOMEN PRYSTS." "We want you to celebrate the sacrament of matrimony for QUEER COUPLES too." "The Pope should get with the times and change teaching on BIRTH CONTROL." and so on.
Meanwhile, the faithful, orthodox Catholics just sit there. They continue to throw their money in the basket as always. They continue to faithfully contribute to the Bishop's Fund. And they sit with their thumbs up their ___es. And go onto Catholic Answers forum and b~ch, or go onto FR and b~ch, or whatever. And just get angrier and angrier.
Funny thing about the orthodox ones though: they won't vote with their feet, though, as they know there is One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church: so they know that they can't do anything more radical than maybe find a better parish (if there is one available). It's not like they're going to switch denominations or go form their own.
And, meanwhile, the libtards complain.
And both of us know the saying, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease."
And just because you're from the south...shoot, you guys are stuck with Wilton Gregory (Archbishop of Hot-lanta).
Look, all I'm saying is
I'm sorry
So am I. Sorry for going off. But something needs to be done. And not just in the Etherspace of the Internet.
Dolan has auxillaries, you know.
I *have* been thinking of writing a letter, but I don't know if Archbishop Dolan would ever see it.
I'll maintain that your letter, by itself, probably wouldn't. But you, along with 1,000 of your closest friends, would.
But Dolan is the new guy. Give him prayer and a little patience.
Try to find out what his schedule is for going around the parishes (he will). And try to be where he is when he's there. Something like this: "Your Excellency, welcome. I'm glad you're here. I really hope that you can do something about these pro-abortion politicians (like ___, ___, and ____) receiving communion and about the queer activists and the other scandals that are affecting the archdiocese. Welcome, sir." That would take 20 seconds while standing in line to shake his hand (which he will do).
(again, if you're the only one doing it, I realize it won't have much impact. But what about if he sees a whole lot of people pleading with him at every parish he visits?)
The schism is coming. If it does, I am standing with Rome.
The governance of the church must come from Christ. If the political structure of the church forbids disciplining the trash in the church, you aren't helping the trash, and you end up with cancer in the church. I can assure you the schism we have with birth control, women priests, and on and on, comes from tolerance of sin in the church, not from lack of concern from the laity.
If I attended the same Mass as a Kennedy or a Pelosi and confronted them with their sin, what do you think would happen to me? I WOULD BE THE ONE THROWN OUT! The priest's, bishops, cardinals, and even the pope most likely has met them and knows them by name. What did they do, what did they say? Are you suggesting each church have a cabal of enforcers to confront Democrats and their abortion/sodomy views?
You and I and millions of others see the problem, we just disagree on who's job it is to fix. My solution entails the church fathers telling the sinners that this is what catholics believe and if you just can't, then you can't be a catholic. As a matter of fact, I don't know of many prots that would put up with open rebellion very long. Accepting sin in our midst brings the sin in among the sheep.
I’m with you. Prayers for this poor ex priest and the people that he led astray.
Thanks for your suggestions, which are wonderful. :-)
I don’t want to be pessimistic, but the odds of my meeting the Archbishop are not very good. There are 400 parishes in the Archdiocese, which is composed of several counties reaching between the southern tip of Staten Island to almost Albany, on both sides of the Hudson River.
He’s started with Vicariate visits (I think there’s 29 of them), and you have to be selected to attend one of those
I’m literally falling asleep...I’ll think more about it tomorrow. Thanks
Male homos chasing young boys is part of the lifestyle. When will the public open their ignorant eyes and view the deviant lifestyle for what it is, not what the Will and Grace show script it to be.
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