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Pope Benedict will not visit Israeli museum which denigrates Pius XII
CatholicNewsAgency ^ | Rome, Italy, Mar 7, 2009

Posted on 03/08/2009 5:04:58 AM PDT by GonzoII

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To: sobieski
OK, play it your way Genocide denial.

Kindly point out where I "denied" the mass murder of non-Jews by the Nazis? (And btw, I am a non-Jew.).

Thank you. You should also keep an eye on someone who thinks that homosexuality is a capital crime in the name of religion.

Male homosexuality is a capital crime under the Laws of G-d. There is nothing that you, I, or anyone else can do about this. However, I doubt that any Nazi courts were Noachide courts (which require only eyewitnesses and accept neither confessions nor circumstantial evidence and which permits non-Jews to execute only via "the sword").

21 posted on 03/08/2009 11:05:51 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator ( . . . HaShem, HaShem, Qel rachum vechannun; 'erekh 'appayim verav-chesed ve'emet!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
"What I am saying is that the term "Holocaust" and its equivalents refer specifically to the attempt to eradicate the Jewish People from all of Europe, and perhaps from the rest of the world as well."

I understand your point and don't deny it. I was wondering if you could refer me to some "cool-headed" websites that go into the Holocaust, showing orders from Hitler and other documents and such? I could search myself but perhaps you've searched around already..

"What is the term for people slaughtered by Stalin? By Genghis Khan? By Attila the Hun? By Mao? By Pol Pot? By Basil the Bulgar Slayer? "

They are victims of Me, myself and "I"sm, stoked on by Satan; as the unborn know are.

In fairness to those who say Gypsies and others were also victims of the Holocaust, I was also wondering if there are any documents showing a "final solution" for them also? If there are it seems they would be just in complaining, if they have, that the Holocaust issue has been turned into a Jewish matter only.

22 posted on 03/08/2009 11:13:24 AM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: GonzoII
There were gypsies who were not persecuted by the Nazis, just as many prison camp guards were homosexuals. And if all the Slavs disappeared, what would happen to their slaves?

The Jews were, are, and ever will be the absolute center of the worldview of all Nazis (hence their cooperation with moslems even today).

23 posted on 03/08/2009 11:17:52 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator ( . . . HaShem, HaShem, Qel rachum vechannun; 'erekh 'appayim verav-chesed ve'emet!)
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To: GonzoII

know are.=now are.


24 posted on 03/08/2009 11:20:51 AM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: GonzoII; Zionist Conspirator
When most of us use term Holocaust we are referring to the Endlösung der Judenfrage - the "Final Solution of the Jewish Problem."

And yes, there are documents showing it was official policy. Google for "Heydrich-Endlosung.jpg"

And for a summary in English, you might try this: What was the final solution?

On the other point being discussed, the killing of massive numbers of people, I strongly recommend Rummel's research on democide (which is exhaustive on his website and therefore difficult to navigate) - but is summarized here

25 posted on 03/08/2009 11:52:08 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

Thanks for the links.


26 posted on 03/08/2009 12:12:39 PM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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27 posted on 03/08/2009 1:49:54 PM PDT by SJackson (a tax cut is non-targetedÂ…no guaranteeÂ…theyÂ’re free to invest anywhere that they want, J Kerry)
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To: GonzoII; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Catholic ping!


28 posted on 03/08/2009 2:06:31 PM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: SJackson

The truth always hurts.


29 posted on 03/08/2009 2:56:03 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not 'free'.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Saying the Holocaust was a Jewish issue is a form of Holocaust denial. Only about half of the folks exterminated by the Nazis were Jewish.

And while you are listing the collaborators, don’t forget the Jewish leaders who collaborated with the Nazis, some under duress, some more freely.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/judenrat.html


30 posted on 03/08/2009 3:20:01 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: GonzoII
showing orders from Hitler

Hitler never signed any of the documents setting the 'Final Solution' into motion. It stretches credulity, however, to suggest that he was unaware of what was being carried out in his name.

31 posted on 03/08/2009 3:25:05 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: Zionist Conspirator

There is no doubt that Hitler’s strange obsession with the Jews was one of the cornerstone’s of his policy. It went far beyond antisemticism, displaying a hatred that was personal and deep-rooted.


32 posted on 03/08/2009 3:44:11 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: PAR35; Religion Moderator
Saying the Holocaust was a Jewish issue is a form of Holocaust denial.

It's really tiresome to have to say this over and over again.

Hitler had some eleven million human beings murdered. No one is denying that. But the Jewish people were the object of his deepest hate and the term "the Holocaust" and its equivalents refers specifically to the attempt to eradicate the Jewish nation from the face of the earth as his ancient `Amaleqi ancestors also tried to do.

To refer to this position, that "the Holocaust" refers specifically to the attempt to exterminate the Jews (G-d forbid!) and not to all the other victims, as "Holocaust denial" is on a par with comparing Israel to the Nazis (G-d forbid!).

33 posted on 03/08/2009 4:30:26 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator ( . . . HaShem, HaShem, Qel rachum vechannun; 'erekh 'appayim verav-chesed ve'emet!)
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To: RobbyS
There is no doubt that Hitler’s strange obsession with the Jews was one of the cornerstone’s of his policy. It went far beyond antisemticism, displaying a hatred that was personal and deep-rooted.

He was a descendant of the evil `Amaleq. The destruction of Israel, in order to prove that the world is purposeless and random, is `Amaleq's undying mission until they are destroyed utterly (may this happen immediately!).

34 posted on 03/08/2009 4:31:58 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator ( . . . HaShem, HaShem, Qel rachum vechannun; 'erekh 'appayim verav-chesed ve'emet!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
This is a card that belongs at Original Dissent, Liberty Forum, or Stormfront, not at Free Republic.

Don't leave out IHR (spit!).

35 posted on 03/08/2009 4:37:10 PM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: GonzoII
Many righteous people who saved Jews from the Holocaust have a tree planted in their name at Yad Vashem.

In a just and honest world, Pius XII would need a forest to pay him tribute.

860,000

36 posted on 03/08/2009 4:39:40 PM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: GonzoII

To add some detail to the raging debate above about the definition of the word holocaust. A dictionary definition follows :

1. a great or complete devastation or destruction, esp. by fire.
2. a sacrifice completely consumed by fire; burnt offering.
3. (usually initial capital letter) the systematic mass slaughter of European Jews in Nazi concentration camps during World War II (usually prec. by the).
4. any mass slaughter or reckless destruction of life.


37 posted on 03/08/2009 4:45:20 PM PDT by lucias_clay (Its times like this I'm glad I'm a whig.)
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To: GonzoII
Rome, Italy, Mar 7, 2009 / 07:18 pm (CNA).- The Israeli ambassador to the Holy See on Friday said that Pope Benedict XVI will not visit Israel’s Holocaust Museum which accuses Pope Pius XII of inaction on the Holocaust. The news comes as a researcher announced on Friday that he had discovered a message from Pius XII that ordered monasteries to give refuge to Jews.

Good for him. Why on earth should he be expected to endorse a lie?

38 posted on 03/08/2009 4:54:19 PM PDT by Hacksaw
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To: Petronski

Thank you, Petronski.


39 posted on 03/08/2009 5:01:09 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator ( . . . HaShem, HaShem, Qel rachum vechannun; 'erekh 'appayim verav-chesed ve'emet!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Reading your posts, I think I have found the first issue on which we agree profoundly.

There had to be at least one, right?


40 posted on 03/08/2009 5:14:19 PM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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