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Ark hunter: Christianity packed with paganism
World Net Daily ^ | 2/7/09 | © 2009 WorldNetDaily

Posted on 02/12/2009 8:40:24 PM PST by Chris DeWeese

A Tennessee historian and author best known for his searches for the Ark of the Covenant – the box containing the Ten Commandments – is now challenging much of modern Christianity, claiming the traditional version of the faith has more in common with ancient paganism than actual biblical content.

"Today, it is amazing what is being presented as Christianity," says Richard Rives of Lewisburg, Tenn., who has just released a book and DVD collection titled, "Time is the Ally of Deceit."

"First century believers would have never accepted [today's practices]," the 56-year-old ark hunter told WND. "We must earnestly contend for the faith once delivered to the saints."

In his new book and videos, Rives goes on a history-packed journey beginning with the creation of the world and Satan's deception in the Garden of Eden, examining how worship of the sun god among ancient cultures influenced the worship of the true God of the Bible.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Apologetics; Current Events; History; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; paganism; sabbath; syncretism; truth
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1 posted on 02/12/2009 8:40:25 PM PST by Chris DeWeese
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To: XeniaSt; DouglasKC; whipitgood; Brickmason1964; ET(end tyranny)

Check this out!


2 posted on 02/12/2009 8:42:16 PM PST by Chris DeWeese (http://www.lifeinkc.com)
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To: Chris DeWeese

Duh.


3 posted on 02/12/2009 8:45:29 PM PST by Eagle Eye (Libs- If you don't have to play the rules then neither do we...THINK ABOUT IT!)
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To: Chris DeWeese

I see that the person who posted this used to be kerryusama04 and under that name was ‘banned or suspended’


4 posted on 02/12/2009 8:45:49 PM PST by ransomnote
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To: Chris DeWeese

I cant believe I even glance at World Nut Daily.

Symbolism does not equate to Paganism


5 posted on 02/12/2009 8:46:15 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: ransomnote

I wasn’t banned or suspended. I changed my screen name because the old one was passe’. Sheesh.


6 posted on 02/12/2009 8:49:39 PM PST by Chris DeWeese (http://www.lifeinkc.com)
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To: Chris DeWeese

When I clicked on your name, I was taken to a page that listed your prior name “kerryusama04” and that you were previously banned or suspended.


7 posted on 02/12/2009 8:50:48 PM PST by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote

Thanks for the heads up. I get it now. According to this nitwit, Christianity is packed with paganism while other religions such as Obamism and global warming are truthful. I got it...


8 posted on 02/12/2009 8:51:15 PM PST by max americana
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To: Chris DeWeese

Most Christians I know, know this already.

And all pagans I know, know it.

Even right down to the “Son” being born December 25 and in the pagan religion, the “Sun” is reborn on Winter Soltice (around December 20 something)

The two religion’s symbols are so similiar it’s ridiculous.

The Easter Bunny is a pagan fertility totem animal.

The Christmas Tree is a “Yule” tree.

On and on.


9 posted on 02/12/2009 8:51:57 PM PST by autumnraine ($335 Million for STD research, still no cure for cancer. Thanks Obama)
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To: ransomnote
I put up the link to my old screen name to avoid the inevitable 'troll' and 'newbie' treatment of FR. It says the account was suspended, but it does not say why when you click the link to KU04 because FR does not like people to have two screen names. That's it, man. Nothing more to see here, moving on now.

If I was banned or suspended, do you think FR would simply let me post under another screen name?

10 posted on 02/12/2009 8:54:09 PM PST by Chris DeWeese (http://www.lifeinkc.com)
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To: autumnraine
Most Christians I know, know this already.

That's pretty much the point of Rives' books and stuff. These guys go to theology school, learn the truth, get churches, and don't teach what they learned in theology school. Well, they do teach the stuff they learn in school about raising money, though.

11 posted on 02/12/2009 8:57:19 PM PST by Chris DeWeese (http://www.lifeinkc.com)
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To: All
There is an entire restoration movement that has been going on for decades that strives to adhere to the HEART of the first century teachings. Jesus went to church on Saturday because he followed the old covenant that directed him to do so. Once he died, so did that covenant and so did the Judaism. Now heaven is our final resting place, or Sabbath.
12 posted on 02/12/2009 8:57:27 PM PST by texan75010
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To: Chris DeWeese

I must admit that some of modern churches leave me wanting.

Here in this town we had a WWF smackdown for Christ.

WWF wrasters came in and wrastled demons Symbolically to save the souls of the kids that were immersed in that WWF culture.

It struck me as effed up, but if it graced one soul...?
Well?


13 posted on 02/12/2009 8:59:51 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: texan75010
Jesus observed the Sabbath because He sanctified it after He created the world.
14 posted on 02/12/2009 9:00:18 PM PST by Chris DeWeese (http://www.lifeinkc.com)
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To: mylife

Paul went to the Jews as a Jew and to the Greeks as a Greek. I don’t see any problem relating to people on their level to try to get through to them. Teaching ‘Christianized’ paganism on the other hand, or spiritual harlotry as the Bible calls it, well, not so much...


15 posted on 02/12/2009 9:03:15 PM PST by Chris DeWeese (http://www.lifeinkc.com)
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To: Chris DeWeese

I accurately posted what is currently visible for your account and made no comment about what it could mean or how it might be interpreted. I feel entitled to do that and do not need to correct or defend my ‘reasoning’. I find your ‘nothing to see here, moving on now’ comment uh...interesting. I do know of a poster who was banned and allowed to return.


16 posted on 02/12/2009 9:09:18 PM PST by ransomnote
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To: Chris DeWeese

Breaking: Plane crash in New York. On CNN now.


17 posted on 02/12/2009 9:10:19 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: Chris DeWeese

So you arent a fan of unitarians? ;)


18 posted on 02/12/2009 9:10:46 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: autumnraine
Ah but here is the sad part, even though you say most Christians know this information very few are doing anything about it. Very few are walking in the Biblical steps Jesus did. The religion being practiced today has very little that is similar to the faith practiced by the Messiah.
I have studied this now for twenty years. I'm not anyone special so very few would pay attention to my words but for what it is worth the Roman religion and it's Protestant daughter, is man made and not based on scripture but man made doctrines and traditions.

Until we all come back to the Torah, which is the plumbline of truth and the only interpreter of the NT scriptures we might as well be practicing Buhdism along with our faith in Jesus.

19 posted on 02/12/2009 9:16:25 PM PST by ladyL (.)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

Time for prayer. These things are so sad.


20 posted on 02/12/2009 9:22:53 PM PST by Chris DeWeese (http://www.lifeinkc.com)
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To: ladyL

“...for what it is worth the Roman religion ...is man made and not based on scripture but man made doctrines and traditions...”

And your idea is based on????????????????

The RC Church is based on the teachings and worship services and traditions that arose right after the Resurrection oof Jesus. It is directly from the apostles to the early church fathers, and so on.

You can read all about it in Luke’s Acts of the Apostles. This is not rocket science. It’s all there if anyone wants to read it.


21 posted on 02/12/2009 9:25:23 PM PST by Gumdrop
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To: mylife
So you arent a fan of unitarians? ;)

FReepers are so incredibly perceptive!

22 posted on 02/12/2009 9:36:14 PM PST by Chris DeWeese (http://www.lifeinkc.com)
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To: Chris DeWeese
Phil Keaggy~The Wind And The Wheat
23 posted on 02/12/2009 9:37:35 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Chris DeWeese

Christianity is a pagan religion. All religions are pagan. only absence of religion is the true religion.

Zen. Nothing is the best something of all.


24 posted on 02/12/2009 9:43:49 PM PST by donmeaker (You may not be interested in War but War is interested in you.)
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To: Gumdrop

The “Roman Religion” correctly refers to the religious practices of ancient preChristian Rome.

It was very much a grouping of different elements, with the seams of assembly rather obvious. A college of priests advised the Senate, with the college headed by the Pontifex Maximus.


25 posted on 02/12/2009 9:46:21 PM PST by donmeaker (You may not be interested in War but War is interested in you.)
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To: donmeaker
Everything Zen? Everything Zen? I don't think so.

But I have worked on a motorcycle before. I find Bombardier Quads to be more enlightening than simple motorcycle maintenance, though.

26 posted on 02/12/2009 9:46:29 PM PST by Chris DeWeese (http://www.lifeinkc.com)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Do not use potty language - or references to potty language - on the Religion Forum.


28 posted on 02/12/2009 10:03:17 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: ladyL; Gumdrop; Chris DeWeese

ladyL - Respectfully, I believe your comments were a little harsh and somewhat incorrect. While it is true the Torah is “the plumbline of truth”, to assert the “Roman religion and it’s Protestant daughter” are not based on scriptures is simply not correct, in my view. I belong to an evangelical protestant church and every decision we make is viewed in the light of scripture. We also look at what the church Fathers (Roman Catholic) wrote and believed, because these were men of God, and our belief is that much of their work and teachings were inspired, and therefore worthy of our study and use. Here, in a nutshell is my view on the subject: All Christians are Brothers and Sisters in Christ. The Catholic (Universal) Church is the Bride of Christ. I imagine I can point to any denomination or church and find something that may not jibe with some particular scripture. My understanding of how I should live is that it is not what I put into my body that makes me unclean, it is the words that come out of mouth, the hatred in my heart and my failure to love my neighbor as myself that makes me unclean in God’s eyes. I don’t believe Jesus is concerned with what day we worship on, He wants our entire lives to be an act of worship. If you believe the Roman Catholic and Protestant churches are man made, I would suggest you look at what the Catholic Church has to say about the Sanctity of Life. Look at the Protestant churches, and see what fruit some of us are bearing. And one more thing ladyL, you and Gumdrop, Chris DeWeese and even old Jubal here are not only special, we are precious in our Fathers sight. He sent his son to die for us, because he Loved us. God Bless You -—JM


29 posted on 02/12/2009 10:15:38 PM PST by Jubal Madison (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Religion Moderator
references to potty language

Mea Culpa
Mea Culpa
Mea Maxima Culpa.

30 posted on 02/12/2009 10:20:38 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (It is entirely possible that evolution is a very Intelligent Design.)
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To: ransomnote

Thanks for the heads up......


31 posted on 02/12/2009 10:48:57 PM PST by goat granny
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To: autumnraine

You wrote:

“Even right down to the “Son” being born December 25 and in the pagan religion, the “Sun” is reborn on Winter Soltice (around December 20 something)”

Uh, there are some serious problems with your claims here. For one thing, Dec. 25th was not picked as the Son’s birthday because of anything connected to the Sun. The words for son and sun, in ancient languages, have nothing to do with one another. Dec, 25th is not the soltice either.

“The two religion’s symbols are so similiar it’s ridiculous.”

What two religions? Be specific now. Christianity and...what? Don’t say “paganism”. You have to pick a specific paganism. Which one?

“The Easter Bunny is a pagan fertility totem animal.”

Okay, who uses the Easter Bunny as a Christian symbol? I don’t know of any Christian church that does. Can you name one please? Also, in what countries is the Easter Bunny a symbol to begin with? And please don’t bother posing a picture of some Lutheran school with an Easter Bunny on the teacher’s bulletin board, or a Catholic day care with an Easter Bunny on the door. Show me evidence that the Easter Bunny is RELIGIOUS symbol used in the worship of Christians.

“The Christmas Tree is a “Yule” tree.”

Is it? How exactly do you know? Isn’t this a convenient claim with no real evidence? Also, who exactly (i.e. what Christians) use Christmas trees as religious symbols? I can only think of one possibility - the Protestant sect called the Moravian Church. Other churches put up Christmas trees, but they have no religious symbolism whatsoever. They are connected to the time of year, the season. They convey no religious import whatsoever. If you claim otherwise, then please post exactly what that religious import is for Christians. Can you?

“On and on.”

Sorry, but rather than “on and on”, so far it’s at a dead stop. You need to show some evidence don’t you think?


32 posted on 02/12/2009 11:26:57 PM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Jubal Madison
Now you see. There you went and did what I was hoping you wouldn't. You shared the Father's love with me. Sure does take the sting out of my anger. thank you. My anger is not at you or any individual Believer, it is at the institution of the Church. Really, when you study Church history, the Nicean Council, the Torah and the prophets you come up with a radically different perspective of the Hebrew Faith Jesus and the Apostles practiced. They still kept the Saturday Sabbath, all of the holy Lev. 23 feast days and only preached the Gospel of the Kingdom of God not the Roman Road gospel.
I don't want to argue theology. My heart breaks for the condition we are all in blind and asleep. Yahshua said He was going to vomit us out of His mouth because we don't care about His truths. We are satisfied to believe that from Good Friday to Resurrection Sunday is 3 days and 3 nights. We are satisfied to not calling upon his wonderful name YHVH and Yahshua but we call him a generic God. That's like calling Him mister. And last but not least, we break the 4th Commandment, the sign of our Covenant with Him, every week, just because we won't read Scripture and obey. Oh my... Anyhow, yes it is in our heart that we love each other but Yahshua said, If you love me you will keep my Commandments. Who do you think wrote Torah?
33 posted on 02/13/2009 12:28:39 AM PST by ladyL (.)
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To: texan75010

Wait, wait, wait. According to Jer 31:31 the New Covenant was made only with the HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND THE HOUSE OF JUDAH. That’s it. Yahshua said He came only for THE LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL. The Book of James was written to the 12 Tribes of Israel scattered abroad.
I don’t see the “church” anywhere in these scriptures, especially concerning the NEW COVENANT.


34 posted on 02/13/2009 12:34:00 AM PST by ladyL (.)
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To: ladyL

Thank you for your reply. You actually make some good points, I will give them some thought. I do hope you have a Blessed Day.-—JM


35 posted on 02/13/2009 12:55:03 AM PST by Jubal Madison (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: vladimir998
Evidence?
Can you bear to read evidence?

Okay ... Bear this...

There's more ...if you can bear it.


The White Horse of False Religion has been riding for years.

36 posted on 02/13/2009 1:16:33 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: vladimir998
Christmas tree ...evidence?

Okay ...


37 posted on 02/13/2009 1:46:37 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: vladimir998

I never said the “Son” being born on December 25 had anything to do with the “Sun”. How many articles have you read that stated different dates of Jesus being born? It was a convenient way of easing pagans into Roman beliefs to celebrate a “Sun” being born with the “Son” being born.

Specific paganism, ok, I’ll go with Celtic! But while we are getting picky, why are you so readily satisfied with “Christian”? Heck, there are so many variations in Christianity, probably more than in paganism.

Who uses the Easter Bunny as a Christian Symbol? I don’t know, maybe it is thousands of churches who have easter egg hunts after church on Sunday? Maybe I just imagine that though.

As for “proof”, that Yule trees are not put up as Christmas trees because Christmas trees aren’t “religious”. I just whatever man. You are obviously just bullying (and I think I’ve seen post to me before, quite obnoxiously. are you trolling me?). But it could possibly have something to do with the word CHRIST in Christmas Tree.


38 posted on 02/13/2009 3:09:11 AM PST by autumnraine ($335 Million for STD research, still no cure for cancer. Thanks Obama)
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To: Yosemitest

Thank you. You have much more evidence than I had the time or inclination to put up.


39 posted on 02/13/2009 3:10:04 AM PST by autumnraine ($335 Million for STD research, still no cure for cancer. Thanks Obama)
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To: autumnraine

You wrote:

“I never said the “Son” being born on December 25 had anything to do with the “Sun”. How many articles have you read that stated different dates of Jesus being born?”

Many.

“It was a convenient way of easing pagans into Roman beliefs to celebrate a “Sun” being born with the “Son” being born.”

Incorrect. As we know - and as I posted here before - it is documented that the 25th was picked to keep Christians AWAY from pagan celebrations on that day. Early Christians even wrote about this as doumented by Manfred Clauss, the world’s greatest living expert on Mithradaism. In other words, Christmas was establsihed on the 25th of Dec, to keep Christians OUT OF PAGANISM and not to ease them into it.

“Specific paganism, ok, I’ll go with Celtic!”

Then you’ve already lost. And you’ll then fail to actually provide examples, right?

“But while we are getting picky, why are you so readily satisfied with “Christian”? Heck, there are so many variations in Christianity, probably more than in paganism.”

True, but for orthodox Christians, there is only one to start with.

“Who uses the Easter Bunny as a Christian Symbol? I don’t know, maybe it is thousands of churches who have easter egg hunts after church on Sunday? Maybe I just imagine that though.”

And taht example is not an example at all. Again, an Easter Egg hunt is no more a pagan religious symbol incorporated into Christianity than the parish summer picnic is. Ispecifically warned you against such facile, superficial examples, and yet, as expected, that’s exactly the kind you picked. Sorry, it doesn’t work.

“As for “proof”, that Yule trees are not put up as Christmas trees because Christmas trees aren’t “religious”. I just whatever man. You are obviously just bullying (and I think I’ve seen post to me before, quite obnoxiously. are you trolling me?).”

No, and a few weeks ago you were actually complimenting me on the News/Actvism part of the forum. If you think someone telling you to post some evidence is trolling, then you have a bigger issue - and a greater difficulty - than paganism.

“But it could possibly have something to do with the word CHRIST in Christmas Tree.”

And that would only show us that it was used at that season, not that it is considered a religious symbol by Christians despite a supposed pagan origin.

Try. Try real hard.


40 posted on 02/13/2009 3:37:53 AM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Yosemitest

Armstrong?

He’s your source?

Lovely, just lovely. Gee, did he ever come to believe in Trinity before he died? Last time I checked, he denied the Trinity so he wasn’t even a Christian.

Not to even mention the numerous - and stupid - errors here:

Example: “Which is the chief “Christian” holiday? “

He claims Christmas. Wrong. It’s Easter and always has been.

Then he claims Easter is from Ishtar.

Wrong. Different languages and cultures, no relationship at all.


41 posted on 02/13/2009 3:45:12 AM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Chris DeWeese
Technically, pagans stole from Christianity. God created everything good. Man chose to ruin it and then took the knowledge of God and twisted it to fit his own desires and made up his own religions. Paganism is a corruption of what God meant for good.
42 posted on 02/13/2009 3:48:52 AM PST by meowmeow (In Loving Memory of Our Dear Viking Kitty (1987-2006))
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To: Chris DeWeese
From the article:

* Easter is the name of a pagan fertility goddess. The believers that walked and talked with Christ observed Passover
* December 25th is not the birthday of Jesus. It was the most important pagan birthday on the Roman calendar 300 years after the time of Christ
* The spot where many Christians believe Jesus was born in Bethlehem's Church of the Nativity is really the exact location of the ancient worship of the pagan god Tammuz
* Sunday is not the Sabbath. Theologians substituted Sunday rest in place of Sabbath rest
* Believers are a part of Israel. There is only one plan of salvation – faith in the Messiah of Israel, Yeshua, Jesus Christ

Well when you're right you're right!

43 posted on 02/13/2009 5:52:38 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: texan75010
Jesus went to church on Saturday because he followed the old covenant that directed him to do so. Once he died, so did that covenant and so did the Judaism.

There's no biblical evidence to support your statement. Only tradition.

Before you read the scripture from the book of Luke below please keep in mind that Luke was written anywhere from 30 to 60 years AFTER the death of Christ.

Luk 23:55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

So here, in these verses, we have follower of Christ observing the sabbath according to the sabbath commandment. Jesus is dead. The writer KNEW that Jesus had been dead for 30 to 60 years. Yet he mentions that commandment as being active, in force, and binding.

44 posted on 02/13/2009 6:00:02 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC; texan75010

You wrote:

“So here, in these verses, we have follower of Christ observing the sabbath according to the sabbath commandment.”

That was not the point stated to you, however. The point was this: “Once he died, so did that covenant and so did the Judaism.”

Notice, what texan75010 said was different than what you respond with.

The issue is not what many followers of Christ did out of their own traditions or habits, but what happened to the old covenant. texan75010 is correct. When Jesus died and rose, the old covenant was ushered out, and the new was ushered in. Christ Himself said so (Matthew 26:28).

“Jesus is dead. The writer KNEW that Jesus had been dead for 30 to 60 years. Yet he mentions that commandment as being active, in force, and binding.”

Incorrect. What Luke says is that people followed the practices of the old covenant regarding the sabbath - the single most ingrained habitual and ritual practice of ancient Jews. He never once says that it was still in force. Also, common sense would dictate, in a society that still observed the sabbath, the new Christians would be obligated, just hours after Christ’s death, to work with that scheduled observance. After all, the Christians were already afraid of the Jews and hid in the upper room. To venture out to do work - working on the body of a condemned criminal whom almost all of Jerusalem had turned against - on the sabbath when all such work was forbidden would be to unnecessarily risk your neck!!!

Didn’t any of that occur to you?


45 posted on 02/13/2009 6:39:54 AM PST by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: vladimir998
You wrote: “So here, in these verses, we have follower of Christ observing the sabbath according to the sabbath commandment.” That was not the point stated to you, however. The point was this: “Once he died, so did that covenant and so did the Judaism.”

Sorry, I inadvertently left off the germane quote from texan75010. His full quote read:

Jesus went to church on Saturday because he followed the old covenant that directed him to do so. Once he died, so did that covenant and so did the Judaism. Now heaven is our final resting place, or Sabbath.

He was implying that the sabbath was done away with at the death of Jesus. I presented biblical evidence to the contrary.

ncorrect. What Luke says is that people followed the practices of the old covenant regarding the sabbath - the single most ingrained habitual and ritual practice of ancient Jews. He never once says that it was still in force. Also, common sense would dictate, in a society that still observed the sabbath, the new Christians would be obligated, just hours after Christ’s death, to work with that scheduled observance

Everything you said said about this isn't in the bible. The author of Luke never came to this conclusion. The author was writing from a 30 to 60 year after the fact perspective. Yet he never saw fit to "explain" it like you did. That's because what you offered is offered from a traditional, evolved belief. Not a biblical or first century belief.

Didn’t any of that occur to you?

Many times. But I realized that people just used it as a justification to disregard a commandment of the Lord.

46 posted on 02/13/2009 7:27:25 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Chris DeWeese

Yes. Even with the same IP address.


47 posted on 02/13/2009 7:39:05 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Chevron 7 will not engage!)
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To: ladyL

Galatians 3:26-29 says that I am a son of God and Abraham’s offspring. I would say that puts me in to the category of Lost Sheep of Israel.

New Covenant - Hebrews 8

Since I am Abraham’s offspring, that new covenant has been made with me.

As for the church, Matthew 16:18 refers to it.

I am really not sure what your reference to James is about.

As for the Sabbath, Colossians 2:15-17 seem to cover that. It’s all about the cross and resurrection...Jesus.


48 posted on 02/13/2009 7:45:28 AM PST by texan75010
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To: Chris DeWeese

Well, it’s a start.


49 posted on 02/13/2009 8:01:28 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator ('Anokhi HaShem 'Eloqeykha; 'asher hotze'tikha me'Eretz Mitzrayim, mibeit `avadim.)
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To: DouglasKC

Mark 1:21 They went to Capernaum, and when the Sabbath came, Jesus went into the synagogue and began to teach.

Jesus was in good standing and was OK to teach at the synagogue.

Matthew 5:17 and 18 says Jesus says he did not come to abolish the Law or the Prophets, but to fulfill them.

Luke 19:28 Says that all was completed and the scripture was fulfilled.

To say that any part of the Law was still in effect is to nullify what happened on the cross. Colossians 2:15-17 to me, makes it clear that the Jesus is the focus and the Law died/ended with his death.

Just because it was 30 years later, the fact that they rested on the sabbath does not mean it was still in force. It just means they rested in the way the original command dictated.

Scripture does refer to a sabbath rest in Hebrews 4, but that sabbath, to me, is clearly our rest after we die.

Jesus moved all of the commandments from the physical realm to the spiritual. The old covenant dictated actions, lying, murder, adultry, etc. The new covenant addresses man on a spiritual level of thoughts and intentions of the heart. vs 12

I think this gives sufficient evidence to support my statement....if not for you DouglasKC, then for the rest of the folks reading this. I am not trying to change your heart or mind, just educating the other readers.


50 posted on 02/13/2009 8:14:29 AM PST by texan75010
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