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Posted on 12/22/2008 7:45:39 AM PST by guitarplayer1953

Ok boys and girls here is a chance to defend what you hold dear and near to your religion. For years now I have seen threads that make statements that I do not agree with but can not respond to because they hide behind the guise of being a devotional, or a caucus, or ecumenical. So here is a chance for open debate for all things that have been closed to opposing views in the past.

There will be only two guide lines no personal attacks and no posting of numerous links in a response or making a point. If you can not argue a point don’t respond by posting links. Yes I know that it is not part of the posting religious guidelines, but this is my thread so I get to make up the rules.

I am limiting this to religion due to the fact I can not post it in both general discussion and religion.

If some one would like to start a thread like this in general discussion by starting off that they believe that Fords are better than Chevys or that Obama is better than a potato then do so. But please refrain yourselves not to bring up Fords or Obama.

One other thing if you do not post directly to me I doubt if I will know what you have said concerning a point so if you have posted to others and want my opinion then ping me. I do not have time to read all posts. With that said let the debates begin.


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I will start off by stating that I do not believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers and that the LDS bible is plagiarized from the canonize bible.
1 posted on 12/22/2008 7:45:41 AM PST by guitarplayer1953
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To: guitarplayer1953
but this is my thread so I get to make up the rules.

Good luck with that.

2 posted on 12/22/2008 7:47:23 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Merry Christmas and Peace on Earth to you too.


3 posted on 12/22/2008 7:49:50 AM PST by OpusatFR (Neither Republican or Democrat. Monarchist with allegience to The Only One.)
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To: guitarplayer1953
Oh, not this again. Someone posts this about twice a year, and each time imagines he's the first one ever to generate the concept.

Here's a Christmas lolcat for your trouble:


4 posted on 12/22/2008 7:50:50 AM PST by Tax-chick ("And the rum is for all your good vices.")
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To: Tax-chick

Have a glorious Christmas!

5 posted on 12/22/2008 7:53:25 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary - recess appointment))
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To: Tax-chick
This is today's Google image:

WTF?

6 posted on 12/22/2008 7:53:27 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: guitarplayer1953
Are you a "Born Again", baptized in the Holy Ghost, Spirit filled member of Christ's body? Do you believe in the Trinity? Do you will to receive from God through Jesus Christ via the Holy Spirit or do you make the Bible your God? Are you open to receive from God through Jesus Christ via the Holy Spirit in all things? Do you even believe in a god? and if so which god?

Just a few questions before I jump in.

Thx!

7 posted on 12/22/2008 7:53:31 AM PST by The Anti-One (So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.)
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To: guitarplayer1953
But please refrain yourselves not to bring up Fords or Obama.

Ha ha ha!!!

Here am I gleefully ignoring your request as I wish to point out that Obama drives a Ford.

And this thread is useless.

That is all.

8 posted on 12/22/2008 7:53:57 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: guitarplayer1953
here is a chance to defend what you hold dear

I hold my wife very dear ... don't mess with her.

9 posted on 12/22/2008 7:54:33 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Mohammed - if he existed - was a plagarist. The hadj, he took from the Jews wandering in the desert. The killing of enemies from the book of Joshua. The Mahdi from the Messial narrative in the Old Testament.

Not to mention that of all religions on Earth, only ONE makes murder part of their central belief.


10 posted on 12/22/2008 7:54:44 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Gepetto playing “Mousetrap” with Pinocchio? Quite puzzling, I have to say.


11 posted on 12/22/2008 7:55:20 AM PST by Tax-chick ("And the rum is for all your good vices.")
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To: AnAmericanMother

They must have given those catz large doses of Wild Turkey on the 4th day.


12 posted on 12/22/2008 7:56:42 AM PST by Tax-chick ("And the rum is for all your good vices.")
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To: Tax-chick
Gepetto playing “Mousetrap” with Pinocchio? Quite puzzling, I have to say.

Looks to me like they are making sausages out of smurfs.
13 posted on 12/22/2008 7:58:10 AM PST by ZX12R
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To: guitarplayer1953

I BELIEVE

That if life gives you lemons, make lemonade.

Then find someone who life has given vodka and have a party.


14 posted on 12/22/2008 7:58:42 AM PST by DManA
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To: Tax-chick

http://www.fluffytails.ca/christmas.asp

A Cat’s Christmas

Tree Decorating 101 by Iris and Fern


15 posted on 12/22/2008 7:58:50 AM PST by OpusatFR (Neither Republican or Democrat. Monarchist with allegience to The Only One.)
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To: ZX12R
making sausages out of smurfs.

Very practical, given the economic downturn.

16 posted on 12/22/2008 8:00:29 AM PST by Tax-chick ("And the rum is for all your good vices.")
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To: ArrogantBustard

17 posted on 12/22/2008 8:00:38 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Meth Lab?


18 posted on 12/22/2008 8:01:44 AM PST by OpusatFR (Neither Republican or Democrat. Monarchist with allegience to The Only One.)
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To: guitarplayer1953
For years now I have seen threads that make statements that I do not agree with but can not respond to because they hide behind the guise of being a devotional, or a caucus, or ecumenical. So here is a chance for open debate for all things that have been closed to opposing views in the past.

Nothing has been "closed to opposing views", either in the past or now. You have always been free to post your own "open" threads (just as you've done here), just as you've always been free to challenge the status of devotional/caucus/ecumenical threads when they challenge by name your own religious affiliation or views.

But most curiously, you say "For years now I have seen threads...." You only joined FR on February 18th. Since you weren't registered prior to that, you could not respond period. Don't blame it on the thread designation.

There will be only two guide lines no personal attacks and no posting of numerous links in a response or making a point. If you can not argue a point don’t respond by posting links. Yes I know that it is not part of the posting religious guidelines, but this is my thread so I get to make up the rules.

I predict this will turn out badly.


19 posted on 12/22/2008 8:02:53 AM PST by Alex Murphy ( "Every country has the government it deserves" - Joseph Marie de Maistre)
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To: OpusatFR

Now those are amazing catz. This is our second year in a row without a Christmas tree, and it’s such a relief not having to fight the pets and byos constantly.


20 posted on 12/22/2008 8:05:58 AM PST by Tax-chick ("And the rum is for all your good vices.")
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To: Alex Murphy
I predict this will turn out badly.

So far it's pretty funny.

21 posted on 12/22/2008 8:06:59 AM PST by DManA
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To: ZX12R

mmm... smurf sausages, just can’t get those anymore.


22 posted on 12/22/2008 8:07:09 AM PST by Camel Joe ("All animals are created equal, but some animals are more equal than others"- The Pigs)
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To: guitarplayer1953

1963.


23 posted on 12/22/2008 8:08:07 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life ;o)
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To: thackney

I keep seeing the one with the little boy and the Rube Goldberg device.


24 posted on 12/22/2008 8:08:09 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NTHockey
Not to mention that of all religions on Earth, only ONE makes murder part of their central belief.

Oh I don't know about that. While Islam is I'm sure the religion to which you are referring might I point out that more people have been slaughtered in the name of humanism than any other. Need I remind you of the 45 million innocent children that have been murdered in the United States alone since 1973? It took the Catholics during their inquisision over 400 years to kill that many people and even that number is highly disputed.
And how can we forget about the 20 million Jews and Christians that Stalin slaughtered or the 11 million Jews and Christians that Hitler slaughtered and...

Naaaaah. Secular humanism is the most violent religion there is.
Just look at how many secular humanist/atheists rob, mug and murder innocent people each year not only here in the United States but around the world.

Conservative Christians tend to kill only in times of war or when their loved ones are threatened. We DO NOT seek to harm others but rather do everything we can to protect the innocent.
And since someone decided to throw obomba's name into the mix let me just point out what a good example he is in that just because someone claims to be a Conservative or a Christian it does not for one second make those claims true.

Obomba is a fascist tyrant and worse he is a Muslim, NOT the Christian he claims to be. He is a liar as are any people that violate the laws of the land and indiscriminately harm innocent people.

JMHO

25 posted on 12/22/2008 8:08:26 AM PST by The Anti-One (So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.)
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To: Alex Murphy
I predict this will turn out badly.

Here, this will help:


26 posted on 12/22/2008 8:09:34 AM PST by Tax-chick ("And the rum is for all your good vices.")
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To: ArrogantBustard

Click on their picture


27 posted on 12/22/2008 8:10:16 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Alex Murphy
I'll try to minimize the suck level of this thread:


28 posted on 12/22/2008 8:13:09 AM PST by Travis T. OJustice (Change is not a destination, just as hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Tax-chick

” This is our second year in a row without a Christmas tree,...”

My first. The guys thoughtfully put the tree up while I was off for the afternoon and the first thing that greeted me when I opened the front door was a blast of cat urine smell that would bring tears to your eyes. How they missed the smell is beyond all rational thought.

My male cat of sainted memory (+ 6/18/08) must have drenched the tree last year (kidney problems which led to his demise) and we put it away without detecting it.

Ah. One year (almost) in a hot, hot, garage attic storage and voila!

No Tree This Year!


29 posted on 12/22/2008 8:13:16 AM PST by OpusatFR (Neither Republican or Democrat. Monarchist with allegience to The Only One.)
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To: guitarplayer1953
My personal faith includes trying (and often failing) to follow in the example of Jesus, trying not to judge others, and praying regularly. Helping others when I can.

Other than that, I don't have any problem with how anyone else practices their faith. I don't get caught up in who's going where after death or whether their doctrine is "correct" or not.

My whole life, I have seen or read about groups of people who agree on 90 + percent of dogma and still want to persecute each other for the < 10 percent. No thanks.

Hope that you all have a Merry Christmas.
30 posted on 12/22/2008 8:13:39 AM PST by mysterio
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To: Alex Murphy
I predict this will turn out badly.

So far.... No replies have been deleted.

Pretty unusual for a Religion thread.

What I think I need to do is to post a comment so as to offend the Religion Moderator.

So... with that in mind... in a few minutes you should see a post that was deleted. That will have been me.

(Just hope and pray that I don't go too far and get a huge time out)

31 posted on 12/22/2008 8:16:00 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: guitarplayer1953

I believe potatoes are better than Obama.


32 posted on 12/22/2008 8:16:36 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (appeasement is collaboration.)
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To: Travis T. OJustice
I'll try to minimize the suck level of this thread:


33 posted on 12/22/2008 8:16:54 AM PST by TonyStark
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To: guitarplayer1953
Oh crap. I agree with you, so NOW what can I say on this thread?


34 posted on 12/22/2008 8:17:01 AM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: OpusatFR

Wow!

We were considering a tree this year, but then we got the dog.


35 posted on 12/22/2008 8:17:26 AM PST by Tax-chick ("And the rum is for all your good vices.")
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To: Responsibility2nd
What I think I need to do is to post a comment so as to offend the Religion Moderator. So... with that in mind... in a few minutes you should see a post that was deleted. That will have been me. (Just hope and pray that I don't go too far and get a huge time out)

Believe me - you have no idea how ironic your post is!

36 posted on 12/22/2008 8:18:14 AM PST by Alex Murphy ( "Every country has the government it deserves" - Joseph Marie de Maistre)
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To: The Anti-One

in your refined discerment, kill=murder?


37 posted on 12/22/2008 8:19:15 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (appeasement is collaboration.)
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To: Tax-chick; OpusatFR
We were considering a tree this year, but then we got the dog.

Don't the ormanents keep falling off the dog?

38 posted on 12/22/2008 8:19:31 AM PST by Alex Murphy ( "Every country has the government it deserves" - Joseph Marie de Maistre)
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To: DManA

“if life gives you lemons” Might I suggest Whiskey Sours instead? Using Jack Daniels of course, here’s how.
Step 1: Mix 3 cups sugar and 2 cups filtered water in a sauce pan and stir over medium heat until sugar is completely dissolved. This is known as simple syrup.
Step 2: Squeeze 12 lemons and strain the juice.
Step 3: Add equal amounts of lemon juice and simple syrup.
Step 4: Add 1 egg white per 1/2 liter, or 1/2 quart.
Step 5: Mix equal amounts of JD and sour mix, shake over ice and garnish with a cherry.
See, I didn’t even mention what’s his name or the kind of car he drives...


39 posted on 12/22/2008 8:20:01 AM PST by Camel Joe ("All animals are created equal, but some animals are more equal than others"- The Pigs)
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To: Responsibility2nd
As a believing Catholic, I know that anyone who puts mustard on a hamburger should be rounded up and locked in a death camp. It's the Lord's will after all.

Owl_Eagle

“When the stock market crashed,
Franklin Roosevelt got on the television
and didn’t just talk about
the princes of greed, he said,
‘Look, here’s what happened.’"
-Slow Joe Biden

40 posted on 12/22/2008 8:20:07 AM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: guitarplayer1953

41 posted on 12/22/2008 8:20:42 AM PST by ThomasThomas ( Never mind.........it may go both ways...)
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To: Alex Murphy

LOL! Walked into that, didn’t I?

We thought the catz might freak out about the dog, but they just sniffed her, said, “Meh,” and went back to bed.


42 posted on 12/22/2008 8:21:16 AM PST by Tax-chick ("And the rum is for all your good vices.")
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To: Tax-chick
BYOs . . . Bring Your Own Wild Turkey?

. . . from the context it's "boys" - is that one of those TextSpeak things, like "teh"?


43 posted on 12/22/2008 8:21:39 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary - recess appointment))
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To: Tax-chick

Ah. Any photos? What type?

Ours, Dobbie and a Shepherd/Huskey mix died about eight years ago and we just haven’t the heart to get any more, especially at our ages. They’d outlive us.

Christmas Cats are number one. Dogs run a close second.

In keeping with the theme of the orginal post, I must say cats are probably the most unique and precious animals in comparison to all others.

*see, I haven’t really hijacked it yet!


44 posted on 12/22/2008 8:21:46 AM PST by OpusatFR (Neither Republican or Democrat. Monarchist with allegience to The Only One.)
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To: ThomasThomas

Nice photo.


45 posted on 12/22/2008 8:22:32 AM PST by Tax-chick ("And the rum is for all your good vices.")
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To: ArrogantBustard

Little boy: AWWWWW man, I wanted nintendo! Can’t we have just one normal present this Christmas!


46 posted on 12/22/2008 8:22:58 AM PST by WhatNot
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To: Tax-chick

47 posted on 12/22/2008 8:23:22 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse (TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary - recess appointment))
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To: guitarplayer1953

I believe that the “Sons of God” of Genesis 6:4 are angels.


48 posted on 12/22/2008 8:23:28 AM PST by evets (beer)
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To: Alex Murphy; Lazamataz

Pinging my ol’ buddy Laz.

Here’s a Religion thread where we’re allowed to post anything we want. Anything at all.

Whooda thunk?


49 posted on 12/22/2008 8:23:29 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: thackney; Tax-chick

OK ... now I see where it’s going. Tomorrow’s picture will be more informative. By 26DEC08 (the beginning of Kwanzaa), we’ll see a completed example of their Ujima (collective effort).


50 posted on 12/22/2008 8:24:24 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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