Posted on 11/19/2008 2:33:07 PM PST by JNRoberts
Our Creator, who made the Sabbath and blessed it, set the seventh day aside as a holy, happy day. Jesus wants us to find delight in His day, and to make Sabbath the best day of the week for our children. The easiest way to do this is to spend time out in nature, God’s first book.
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Blessings.
Then why did you post this on a public forum?
Ok, I won't...
Are there any "non-chat" chat forums where non-discussions would be more appropriate?
Honoring the Sabbath for our family is to just stay home and rest.
That in itself is a change these days, but one my family enjoys and misses when we don’t do it.
To show how children can be blessed by the Sabbath.
I use the same calender (weekly cycle days) that the Jews have been using since God almighty was leading him to the promised land.
And the same calender Jesus used when he upheld the Sabbath and said he made it for man.
I figure God’s (Jesus) determination of what the weekly cycle is might be better than what some Govt. leaders in Europe think.
Wow, it must be kind of crinkly and faded by now.
I just said if you want to debate whether the seventh day Sabbath is still the seventh day.....I’ll embarrass you. It was just a warning.
I’m up for it if you want but I wouldn’t if I was you.....:)
Yeah....Bibles (my calender) get that way when you actually read and study them.
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Colossians 2:16-17 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come …
Galatians 4:10-11 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.
Romans 14:5-6: One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord.
Romans 7:6: “But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.”
Save your breath. I guess.
Christ became our Sabbath and in HIM we rest each and every day. Furthermore prove it that you know that our Saturday of this day is the Sabbath of yesteryear!!!
However, Christ is the reality of the Sabbath in the sense that we find our true and eternal rest in the finished work of Christ.
The issue of the change of the observance of the Sabbath is another issue that might best be addressed at another time. Suffice it to say that since Christ is God, he has the right to direct how and when he is to be worshipped. Peace, out.
Amen! Matthew 11 and 12 need to be reread!
So, was there a Sabbath before the Ten Commandments were handed down?
Just as Christ became the Passover for one and all time, He as well became our REST or Sabbath each and every day... That does not mean to set aside one day to pray and study is a flesh act of Sabbath keeping in the vain in which it was designed. Genesis is where the LORD rested the 7th day, after 6 days of work and then the 7th was hallowed in the 10 Commandments. However, Christ came not to change the law but to fulfill and HE became our Sabbath each and every day not just one.
Again given how much the calender has been played with no one can with a Godly certainty claim that our Saturday is the original seventh day... Interesting isn't it that Saturday is named after the planet Saturn.... and who is that planet linked with..
IF a person chooses to live their life observing Saturday at Sabbath I am not saying NO that is their choice. However to claim it Biblical is JUST not so.
***Save your breath. I have researched it and I will embarrass you if you try to argue such. :)****
I saw your Sabbath observances last summer when two little boys on a hike got caught out in a afternoon thunderstorm on a Saturday and were in need of help.
They went to FIVE SDA owned houses near the SDA church and could not get anyone to give them a ride to their home. They were rebuffed at each house.
When they got to my house we let them in, dried them off and I took them to their house about two miles from here.
I have no need of your self-righteous Sabbath keeping.
“You are saved by grace IF you keep the Sabbath!”-—The bald haired guy on Amazing Grace. (More SDA bunkum!)
***The Sabbath is God’s memorial to creation.***
So why did he wait till Sinai to give it?
Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
Deu 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, [even] us, who [are] all of us here alive this day. ...
...Deu 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and [that] the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
Kind of flies in the face of Jesus instruction using the example of saving a lamb on the Sabbath doesn’t it?
***Kind of flies in the face of Jesus instruction using the example of saving a lamb on the Sabbath doesn’t it?***
The more I thought about that incident the madder I got. I posted a thread on it and it lasted about 30 minutes before being pulled by the mods.
I believe that’s the only Commandment that isn’t repeated in the New Testament.
What is Paul speaking of here? [Verse 8] explains the context. Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Do these things sound to you like God's Holy Law?
Verse 14 clinches the deal: Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross. Ordinance: 1378. dogma (dog'-mah) a law (civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical) decree, ordinance.
The ordinance the Apostle Paul was speaking was a "Man Made" law.....not the Law of God. He explains that quite well in verse 8 and the Greek confirms it.... as "Dogma" is man made law, like we see spoken of in [Mark 7:7] Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
The Greek word "Dogma" is used four times in scripture....each time indicating a man made law or edict: [Luke 2:1][Acts 16:4][Ephesians 2:15] and of course as already covered [Colossians 2:14].
Paul was actually instructing these folks of Colosse in the observances of Feast Days, New Moon Celebrations and Sabbaths. He is telling the folks not to pay attention to the criticism they were receiving from their neighbors for observing these things. Colosse was a hot bed of asceticism and paganism and many folks there were upset with the new found freedom that Christians found in their faith.
Colossians was one of four prison epistles written sometime around 59/60 A.D. and Paul was here attempting to counter both Asceticism and Pharisaic legalism. Many new Christians were still being affected by these philosophies and their regulatory requirements. The pagans were passing judgment on the Christians feeling that any type of sincere belief system required penance, abstinence, fasting and even in some cases, self inflicted pain and suffering. The Christians, of course.....believed in none of these things....and were being criticized for it.
The "Dogma" that was nailed to the cross was not the Sabbaths or the Feast Days or the new moon celebrations. It was the man made law and philosophy and the worldly things spoken of by Paul in these scriptures. God's Laws are not considered "Dogma".
Yup....also animal sacrifice. [Genesis 2:2-3][Genesis 3:21] Who'd a thunk?
Here is a handy website. http://www.sabbathtruth.com/
“So, was there a Sabbath before the Ten Commandments were handed down?”
***Yup....also animal sacrifice. [Genesis 2:2-3][Genesis 3:21] Who’d a thunk?****
Not according to what MOSES said!( concerning the Sabbath)
Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
Deu 5:3 THE LORD MADE NOT THIS COVENANT WITH OUR FATHERS, but with us, [even] us, who [are] all of us here alive this day. ...
...Deu 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and [that] the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
***The Sabbath is God’s memorial to creation. You can’t change it or do away with it.***
2Cr 3:2 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
2Cr 3:3 [Forasmuch as ye are] manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
2Cr 3:4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
2Cr 3:5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency [is] of God;
2Cr 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
2Cr 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written [and] engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which [glory] was to be done away:
2Cr 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
2Cr 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation [be] glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
2Cr 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
2Cr 3:11 For if that which is DONE AWAY [was] glorious, much more that which remaineth [is] glorious.
2Cr 3:12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
2Cr 3:13 And not as Moses, [which] put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
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The Sabbath is indeed a blessing for those who observe it. It is also a lightning rod for those who want to claim that it has been changed, done away with, etc. and for those who just seem to hate the Seventh Day Adventists. Those who argue against it have never tried observing it. Thus they never experience the blessings.
Also Exodus 16:
Exo 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
Exo 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
Exo 16:30 So the people rested on the seventh day.
You should know that the sabbath commandment above was given BEFORE Israel reached Mount Sinai and before the Lord gave us his ten commandments. Therefore the sabbath commandment falls outside of any covenant, just as the other commandments do.
Thank you for the ping Steve!
Not according to what MOSES said!( concerning the Sabbath)
See post #34!
Why is it so important for some folks to want us to forget the one Commandment that God has asked us to remember?
****Why is it so important for some folks to want us to forget the one Commandment that God has asked us to remember? ****
So again why did MOSES say this?
Deu 5:3 THE LORD MADE NOT THIS COVENANT WITH OUR FATHERS, but with us, [even] us, who [are] all of us here alive this day. ...
I will hold to the Finished work of Christ on the cross. You can go ahead and hold to your unfinished Sabbath keeping which you must keep dooing every week.
Hey Ruy,
Sabbath keepers do not do so for salvation. We are saved by faith as you are. We enjoy the blessing that comes from obedience to the Word, as promised. Keeping the Sabbath is no burden! It is a delight and a pleasure. I am saddened that most of the Church does not experience this. As the Savior said, “The Sabbath was made for man...” I LOVE a God who gives us one day off each week.
Actually, in the new Testament, Christ was challenged more on the Sabbath than any other single commandment. He was continually accused of breaking it.
Yet he never hinted it was be abolished or changed. No, he upheld it as a blessing. He said it was made for man.....for us.
He threw out the burdens and man made rules the pharisees had made for it........but he never threw the baby out with the bathwater.
Actually, people don’t even keep Sunday anymore. In past generations....Christians kept Sunday the way the Sabbath is to be kept.......They kept the wrong day in the right way.
Now......Sunday is an hour at church and then off to the races.
It shows how much Christians of today have done away with the fourth commandment.
“Now......Sunday is an hour at church and then off to the races.”
Not even that any more! Now it’s reading the Sunday paper and then taking the kids to a soccer game.
***Not even that any more! Now it’s reading the Sunday paper and then taking the kids to a soccer game.****
I still have some independent SDA literature that proclaims worshiping on Sunday to be the “mark of the beast, the day of the devil.”
What rot!
There....does that look better?
The reason Moses said this was because "this covenant" was not made with their fathers. Does this mean to you that the Israelites were also not concerned about worshiping idols, committing adultery or murdering their neighbors. If that's your stand....it's a weak one. The scriptures show obedience to God's Laws all the way back to Genesis. Hebrew history also shows the same.
Again....my simple question. Why is it so important to you.....to want us to forget the only commandment that Our Lord God specifically asked us to remember? [Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
P.S. You didn't read post #34.
In my parents’ neck of the woods — western NY state — there are several towns which have “Seventh Day Baptist” churchs, where they worship on Saturdays. I haven’t seen this in other areas of the country, but I suppose they’re out there.
Just wondering.
***The reason Moses said this was because “this covenant” was not made with their fathers. Does this mean to you that the Israelites were also not concerned about worshiping idols, committing adultery or murdering their neighbors. If that’s your stand....it’s a weak one. The scriptures show obedience to God’s Laws all the way back to Genesis. Hebrew history also shows the same.****
I don’t see it that way at all.
Gen 9:20 And Noah began [to be] an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:
Gen 9:21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.
Gen 19:31 And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father [is] old, and [there is] not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:
Gen 19:32 Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.
Gen 31:19 And Laban went to shear his sheep: and Rachel had stolen the images that [were] her father’s.
Gen 31:34 Now Rachel had taken the images, and put them in the camel’s furniture, and sat upon them. And Laban searched all the tent, but found [them] not.
Gen 34:25 And it came to pass on the third day, when they were sore, that two of the sons of Jacob, Simeon and Levi, Dinah’s brethren, took each man his sword, and came upon the city boldly, and slew all the males.
Gen 34:26 And they slew Hamor and Shechem his son with the edge of the sword, and took Dinah out of Shechem’s house, and went out.
Gen 35:2 Then Jacob said unto his household, and to all that [were] with him, Put away the strange gods that [are] among you, and be clean, and change your garments:
Gen 35:3 And let us arise, and go up to Bethel; and I will make there an altar unto God, who answered me in the day of my distress, and was with me in the way which I went.
Gen 35:4 And they gave unto Jacob all the strange gods which [were] in their hand, and [all their] earrings which [were] in their ears; and Jacob hid them under the oak which [was] by Shechem.
Gen 38:14 And she put her widow’s garments off from her, and covered her with a vail, and wrapped herself, and sat in an open place, which [is] by the way to Timnath; for she saw that Shelah was grown, and she was not given unto him to wife.
Gen 38:15 When Judah saw her, he thought her [to be] an harlot; because she had covered her face.
Gen 38:16 And he turned unto her by the way, and said, Go to, I pray thee, let me come in unto thee; (for he knew not that she [was] his daughter in law.) And she said, What wilt thou give me, that thou mayest come in unto me?
Examine Genesis and you will find that that the laws of God were just an afterthought until God gave the LAW to MOSES.
Tell me, just how many times did GOD punish the family of Abraham for sins as these which were a violation of God’s law before Sinai?
Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Rom 4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, [there is] no transgression.
I read in the Bible that ALL foods are clean.
***I read in the Bible that ALL foods are clean.***
Mark 7:15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
Mat 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
The Church Council of Laodicea circa 364 CE ordered that religiousshalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
observances were to be conducted on Sunday, not Saturday.
Sunday became the new Sabbath. They ruled: "Christians shall
not Judaize and be idle on Saturday, but shall work on that day."
There are many indicators in the historical record that some Christians
ignored the Church's ruling.
Sabbath observance was noted in Wales as late as 1115 CE.
Francis Xavier was concerned about Sabbath worship in Goa,
India in 1560 CE; he called for the Inquisition to set up an office
there to stamp out what he called "Jewish wickedness".
A Catholic Provincial Council suppressed the practice in Norway in 1435 CE.Sunday was introduced by the Pagan Roman church in 364 CE.
YHvH's day of rest for mankind has always been on Saturday,
since the creation of the universe.
I apologize. I think most everyone who was posting on that thread lost interest and I, quite frankly....just forgot about it.
It's not very often that there is a lack of banter back and forth on these threads and I guess I got to the point that I felt no one was listening.
If you feel that there are some pressing issues that still need to be addressed, go ahead and start it (the thread) back up again.....pointing those things out to me if you would please?
Later Paul admonishes believers not to be observers of "days". There is more to the issue than Sabbatarians would lead us to believe.
Later Paul admonishes believers not to be observers of "days". There is more to the issue than Sabbatarians would lead us to believe.
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