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America's Founding Values
American Creation ^
| Jon Rowe
Posted on 08/24/2008 10:13:21 AM PDT by Jon Rowe
It's often said that America was founded on "Judeo-Christian" values.
TOPICS: Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
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It's often said that America was founded on "Judeo-Christian" values. This statement is somewhat fairer and more accurate than "America was founded as a 'Christian Nation.'" However, left alone, it still is not entirely accurate and has the effect of trying to exclude those of us who aren't Bible believing Christians or Jews from America's heritage. On the other hand those who argue America was intended to be a wholly secular Enlightenment nation distort history just as much. The truth is somewhere in between: America was founded on a confluence of three value systems, and as such was founded to be a pluralistic nation within the confines of the American Creed -- the Declaration of Independence (which in turn was constructed from those three value systems).
So what are those three systems? One is indeed biblical Judeo-Christianity. The second is Enlightenment rationalism. And the third is a "noble-paganism," a Stoic sense of virtue that draws its inspiration from Greco-Roman antiquity. As Thomas Jefferson summed up the value synthesis regarding its inspiration on the Declaration of Independence:
"All its authority rests then on the harmonizing sentiments of the day, whether expressed in conversation, in letters, printed essays, or in the elementary books of public right, as Aristotle, Cicero, Locke, Sidney, &c. ..."
In that letter Jefferson also said: "All American Whigs thought alike on these subjects." It was the Whigs who synthesized these value systems into their own "Whig-republican" culture or worldview....
[To read the rest see here:
http://americancreation.blogspot.com/2008/08/americas-founding-values.html]
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posted on
08/24/2008 10:13:21 AM PDT
by
Jon Rowe
To: Jon Rowe
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posted on
08/24/2008 11:14:19 AM PDT
by
BykrBayb
(We're a non Soros non lefitst supporting maverick Gang of 3, who won't be voting for McCain. ~ Þ)
To: Jon Rowe
America was founded Judeo Christian, PERIOD!
IBTZ!
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posted on
08/24/2008 11:28:51 AM PDT
by
mainestategop
(MAINE: The way communism should be)
To: Jon Rowe; Darkshear; darkwing104; Admin Moderator
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posted on
08/24/2008 11:31:09 AM PDT
by
mainestategop
(MAINE: The way communism should be)
To: Jon Rowe
To: Jon Rowe
"Except the Lord build the house, They labor in vain who build it." "I firmly believe this." Benjamin Franklin, 1787, Constitutional Convention
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posted on
08/24/2008 11:38:20 AM PDT
by
Uri’el-2012
(Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
To: Jon Rowe
"The highest story of the American Revolution is this: it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity." President John Adams
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posted on
08/24/2008 11:39:42 AM PDT
by
Uri’el-2012
(Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
To: Jon Rowe; Old Sarge
in after the ZOT
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posted on
08/24/2008 11:40:36 AM PDT
by
darkangel82
(If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
To: Jon Rowe
Don't you hate it when you're standing under a tree for shade and a bird craps right on your head? And you've got bird guano running down your forehead and it's all gross? And nothing handy to wipe if off with?
I hate that.
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posted on
08/24/2008 11:43:44 AM PDT
by
Allegra
(It's above my pay grade.)
To: Jon Rowe
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posted on
08/24/2008 11:45:33 AM PDT
by
rottndog
(Government is a necessary evil, but as with all evils, the less of it the better.)
To: Jon Rowe
Your mistake is separating them out. You can't.
Faith in Christ and Christianity was the foundation. Reason, attributed mistakenly to the enlightenment, was the tool they used (Reason and logic being integral to the reading and education they received. When citing ancient philosophers you cut the core of your argument out) Finally that ancient and contemporary philosophy you cite was used to build the frame on their moral bedrock of Christian principles.
A group of Christian men under the framework of Christianity constructed a secular government. It is correct to say the United States was founded on Judeo-Christian values.
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posted on
08/24/2008 11:51:26 AM PDT
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IrishCatholic
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posted on
08/24/2008 11:52:41 AM PDT
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mainestategop
(MAINE: The way communism should be)
To: Religion Moderator
You have an Islamikitty on staff? Wow.
To: Jon Rowe
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posted on
08/24/2008 12:20:44 PM PDT
by
Delta 21
( MKC USCG - ret)
To: Jon Rowe
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08/24/2008 12:24:41 PM PDT
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TEXOKIE
To: TEXOKIE
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posted on
08/24/2008 1:07:15 PM PDT
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mainestategop
(MAINE: The way communism should be)
To: Jon Rowe
The Judeo-Christian logical chain of natural law begins with mans God-created essence, moves to the ends God proposed for him, and from that to what God wants man to do, namely, to mans duties. Once it has been shown that we have the duty to preserve our lives, it is easy to deduce that we have the right to preserve them.
Self-evident axioms are recognized by a form of reason which Locke called intuitive reason. A second form of reason, which Locke called discursive reason was used to deduce theorems from them.
American revolutionaries who agreed with this and accepted some truths as self-evident and then reached conclusions about rights, were products of the Age of Reason and the age of Enlightenment
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posted on
08/24/2008 2:46:29 PM PDT
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mjp
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posted on
08/25/2008 2:53:25 PM PDT
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darkwing104
(Lets get dangerous)
To: Jon Rowe
Thanks for posting the article.
As far as being a ZOT article, I’m not sure.
It gets points for spelling, grammar, punctuation, and paragraph breaks.
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08/25/2008 2:56:28 PM PDT
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UCANSEE2
(Master of Satire, Slave to Stupidity)
To: darkwing104
Piling on after the ZOT!
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08/25/2008 2:56:30 PM PDT
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posted on
08/25/2008 2:59:52 PM PDT
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trisham
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IATZ!
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08/25/2008 3:06:21 PM PDT
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A.Hun
(Common sense is no longer common.)
To: darkwing104; Jon Rowe
The 4 Horsemen of the apoca-zot have come for you!
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posted on
08/25/2008 3:06:53 PM PDT
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dynachrome
(Henry Bowman is right)
To: trisham
Ooops, not meant for you!
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08/25/2008 3:07:44 PM PDT
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A.Hun
(Common sense is no longer common.)
To: BykrBayb
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08/25/2008 3:08:43 PM PDT
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Danae
(A Taxpayer voting for Obama is like a Chicken voting for Colonel Sanders)
To: mainestategop
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08/25/2008 3:09:05 PM PDT
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Cyber Liberty
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08/25/2008 3:14:20 PM PDT
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WakeUpAndVote
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To: Jon Rowe
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posted on
08/25/2008 3:17:23 PM PDT
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Squidpup
("Fight the Good Fight")
To: Jon Rowe
You joined yesterday to post revisionist history?
Don’t like our history? Get a grip or move.
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08/25/2008 3:17:47 PM PDT
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metmom
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To: Religion Moderator
Can’t we play with the trolls first???
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08/25/2008 3:20:05 PM PDT
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posted on
08/25/2008 3:22:02 PM PDT
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Old Sarge
(CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
To: Old Sarge
Dag.
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posted on
08/25/2008 3:42:16 PM PDT
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roaddog727
(BS does not get bridges built - the funk you see is the funk you do)
To: Squidpup
Do I smell trollburgers burning?

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posted on
08/25/2008 4:06:38 PM PDT
by
Viking2002
(Barak Obama is as inept as a bear cub with his dink.)
To: Jon Rowe
“All American Whigs thought alike on these subjects.” It was founded as such was intended on “Judeo-Christian Nation, in letters, printed essays, or in the day, whether expressed in conversation.’” However, left alone, it still is not entirely accurate and has then on the third is Enlightenment ration distory just as much. The truth is somewhere in between: America was founded by the republic right, as Aristotle, Cicero, Locke, Sidney, &c. ...”
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08/25/2008 4:14:45 PM PDT
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Lady Jag
(The trouble isn't that there are too many fools, but that the lightning isn't distributed right)
To: Old Sarge
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08/25/2008 4:18:55 PM PDT
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Lady Jag
(The trouble isn't that there are too many fools, but that the lightning isn't distributed right)
To: Jon Rowe
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posted on
08/25/2008 4:33:16 PM PDT
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dragonblustar
(Once abolish the God, and the government becomes the God - G. K. Chesterton)
To: darkwing104; Old Sarge; Jon Rowe
Nuts. IATZ. But I will still drink adult beverages and fraternize with hotties at my University in celebration.
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posted on
08/25/2008 4:41:27 PM PDT
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rabscuttle385
(Don't steal. Big Government hates competition.)
To: darkwing104; Old Sarge
Missed another one....... I suspect the VK will be on high alert for the next few weeks
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08/25/2008 5:25:28 PM PDT
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GQuagmire
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To: GQuagmire; darkwing104
The perimeter sensors have been spiking high these last few weeks - I have recommended Weapons Tight for the Watch List.
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posted on
08/25/2008 5:38:08 PM PDT
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Old Sarge
(CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
To: Jon Rowe
In After the Zot; Kitty Loves Leftovers!
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posted on
08/25/2008 9:37:58 PM PDT
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Kitty Mittens
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To: darkwing104; Old Sarge
leftovers
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08/26/2008 5:48:10 AM PDT
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Lost Dutchman
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To: Jon Rowe
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08/26/2008 9:41:10 AM PDT
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DaveLoneRanger
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