Posted on 08/19/2008 2:14:37 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
You wrote:
“Like I asked is English your first language?”
And I answered your question. Apparently you’re having problems reading simply English.
“No Christianity is not pagan but many of the practices of the RCC were take from the pagan religions of their day.”
Such as? Wearing pants? Only pagans wore pants you know? That’s stupid, right? And so is most of the other things anti-Catholic trot out at this point. Do you wear a wedding ring? Did you exchange wedding vows with your spouse? Pagan. Did you know that?
Why did he call it by a Greek name derived directly from a Hebrew name, if it was a "pagan feast"?
As I've pointed out to you over and over again, his decree never uses the word "Easter" or any word related to it. The word his decree used is Pascha.
What "pagan feast" is Pascha?
Sure explains how three is supposed to equal one.
Monopolytheism, that about sums it up, board game pun and all.
The author asks,
Should historical amnesia be an option for the average Christian?
Mar 12:28-29 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Hos 2:13 And I will visit upon her the days of Baalim, wherein she burned incense to them, and she decked herself with her earrings and her jewels, and she went after her lovers, and forgat me, saith the LORD.
If it is not on the 14th of Nissan it is PAGAN
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
***Augustine was a believer in Mithra.***
Strange. I thought he was first a Manichee, then a Christian.
Why? Don't those other days belong to the God of Israel? Did a pagan god make the 13th and the 15th of Nisan?
I'm not under the covenant God made with Moses, no matter how much you'd like to force me into it. Scripture says Christ came to establish a better covenant. I'll go with that better covenant, thanks.
Why do you think Paul wrote to the Galatians that if they had themselves circumcised, Christ would do them no good?
The feast days are commanded by YHvH forever. I don't believe impugning the Holy Word of Elohim Easter and Christmas are of haSatan not YHvH. cite please
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
with Pagan feast days is praising the Holy Name of HaShem.
Kosher laws are not scriptural.
Also, in case you didn’t know - and apparently you don’t - Christians had ceased to celebrate most or all Jewish feast days before both Constantine and Augustine.
To some extent....you are correct. Those that continued to honor The Lord God and His Feast Days were persecuted....sometimes killed. Some small factions escaped the notice of Imperial Rome and continued with their observances though.
What you find is a rather clear sweeping away of Jewish requirements for Christians.
Chapters and verses....please? We'll take them one by one.
Again, in Acts, Jesus did away with Jewish requirements.
Chapter and verse, please?
Judaizers were doctrinally wrong and often mistakenly placed works righteousness (based on Mosaic law and Jewish practice) in the way of salvation by free grace.
Can you give me some specifics. Do not include Kosher as that is not scriptural. Everyone knows that.
No, those who disobediently maintained Judaizing practices were called what they were and no pagan beliefs were placed on them at all.
Well....I see much of the problem here is hatred of the Jews. Did you know that Our Lord, the Apostles and much of the First Century Church were Jewish? They still practiced their religion except for the sacrificial part that Our Lord had done away with. Did you know that multitudes of Jews were added daily to the Church shortly after Shavuot?
No. If it was Biblical someone orthodox over the last 2000 years would have said so. Instead, we only hear this from the fringes of modernist restorationist movements, Judaizing sects and assorted wackos.
You're not calling me a wacko....are you? Good!
Good for them. There’s no reason to observe things now made manifestly better in Christ’s Incarnation, Atonement and Resurrection.
Instead of platitudes I expected some scripture that would back up your assertions. Oh well..........maybe you'll respond with some.
The Romans crucified criminals for years by tying them to crosses beside roads. When they got to Jesus they used nails. The Romans guarded his tomb in the hill. His body was not found when they opened it. That was the beginning of Christianity. There were many corrupt Greeks, Jews, Romans, etc. around at that time. A lot of Christ’s disciples and Apostles got killed. But not all. The Bible is what happened and still happens right now. No change is possible for mortals unless we change.
You got some scriptures that will show Him rising on Easter? I got plenty that show Him not!
Care to explain that sentence? Did they edit your Bible and remove huge chunks of Leviticus and Deuteronomy?
Kosher is Talmudic. Our Lord even speaks against it here: [Mark 7:1-9] Then came together unto him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem. And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashen, hands, they found fault. For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders. And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brazen vessels, and of tables. Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands? He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
How you been....my good friend? I've not seen you in a while.
Don't confuse Kosher with God's dietary laws found in the Old Testament.
Makes you wonder why folks just don't read what it says.
Processionals of images not in the bible as a matter of fact the bible states that no images are allowed like graven statue of Mary and the saints. They are idols! Where did the RCC get this from?
****Please as stated the RCC changed the Sabbath to sunday neither the bible or the apostles did that SUNDAY was the day of worshiping the sun. “duh”****
Then Saturday must have been a day for worshiping Saturn(Kronos). It bears his name.
did the Apostles have statues of Jesus that they carried around with themselves? Did they parade them thought the towns that they visited?
Like I said many of your rites are pagan.
***Like I said many of your rites are pagan.***
Once again you are mistaking me for someone who gives a...ah,..who is catholic.
Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Joh 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.
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