Posted on 07/15/2008 4:47:28 PM PDT by Pyro7480
I recall that several years ago, after the couple desecrated St Patrick's by having sex in the cathedral, (Sam Addams beer stunt). The guy was due to report to the court for sentencing. He died (natural causes) the day before.
He had to answer to a higher court with no appeals after sentencing.
There are parts of NYC that I would suggest this man stays away from.
There are a few Dons who would have no problem with dealing with this man in a way very unchristian.
Overall, it seems to me to be a call to the Bishops to use philosophy to reason with the community and to engage the Church's enemies. He seems to be saying that philosophy is human nature and if the Bishops want to maintain and grow the Church, they will have to reason with, and not dictate to, people. He then explains the history of philosophy and reason within the Church, in his own way reasoning with the Bishops.
He Identifies three kinds of truth, Revealed, Rational (or philosophical), and Empirical:
"30. It may help, then, to turn briefly to the different modes of truth. Most of them depend upon immediate evidence or are confirmed by experimentation. This is the mode of truth proper to everyday life and to scientific research. At another level we find philosophical truth, attained by means of the speculative powers of the human intellect. Finally, there are religious truths which are to some degree grounded in philosophy, and which we find in the answers which the different religious traditions offer to the ultimate questions.
He states explicitly that scientific empiricism is "is the mode of truth proper to everyday life and to scientific research."
He reserves rationalism and revelation (via authority) for answering the more abstract questions like ethics and morals.
Philosophy was found to be flawed as a way of ESTABLISHING truth. Logic can provide a rational connection between truths, but can not prove initial assumptions. If the revelations are false, the philosophy will be false regardless of the quality of the logic and rationalization involved.
This is evident in the arguments made on FR. Some use the language of classical philosophy ("a priori" for example), and go on through long (usually cut-n-paste) arguments that are doomed from the beginning because their first assumption is supernatural.
Intelligent Design is a perfect example of this. If the IDists are honest (and they aren't), they will admit that logically it ultimately leads to a First Designer... or God in otherwords.
This is why J2P2 conceded everyday and scientific research to empiricism as its proper mode for truth
If, as I believe (based on empirical evidence),that ethics, morality, culture, and religion are the result of evolution through natural selection, then they are part of "everyday life and scientific research" as John Paul II stated. Then they are subject to empiricism. This leaves nothing for religion to do for us as regards understanding truth.
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I doubt I ever behave like Christ. He set the bar pretty high.
If he wants to abuse a cracker, call his bluff and send him a box of Ritz. I mean, if it’s really just another cracker, why does it matter which cracker he abuses?
Translation
Myers : The Muslims blew up the World Trade Center. They are my heroes now.
How can you "believe" anything? Don't you have to know it, to be able to prove it by objective empirical evidence?
You are correct that faith in a supernatural revelation is necessary for a religous belief. Accepting the premises, logical arguments can follow. We can prove "given A, B must be also true. But only faith can make you accept A as true.
It’s kinda like the difference between burning an old T-shirt and burning an American flag.
“Why? What did they do?’
So far today, I have received 39 pieces of personal hate mail of varying degrees of literacy, all because I was rude to a cracker. Four of them have included death threats, a personal one day record. Thirty-four of them have demanded that I be fired. Twenty-five of them have told me to desecrate a copy of the Koran, instead, or in some similar way offend Muslims, because — in a multiplicity of ironic cluelessness — apparently only some religious icons must be protected, and I would only offend Catholics because they are all so nice that none of them would wish me harm. I even have one email that says I should be fired, that the author would like to kill me, and that I only criticize because Catholics are so gentle and kind.- P Z Meyers
Does anyone doubt that if Myers does an analysis of the consecrated wafer that it will be just a wafer? If it bleeds when he cuts it, I assure you that you will have lots of new Catholics. Me and Myers and Dawkins will convert tomorrow.
In other words, even he doesn’t really believe his own BS.
I don't know what this means
But only faith can make you accept A as true.
Sure! I don't know why so many are confused on this issue
His hatred is against America and Christianity. It’s like hating your parents because they have you a BMW and you wanted a Mercedes
You said that "our FR Christians aren't behaving very Christ-like". So, according to you, FR Christians sent Myers 39 pieces of hate mail?
Because he knows no Catholic will hunt him down and separate his body from his head?
Ding ding ding ... we have a winner!
Just having a little fun with ya. "Believe" is to express faith.
Sure! I don't know why so many are confused on this issue
Too many, I guess, want to have proof of their faith and to be able to argue people into it. Faith in the fundamentals, accepting Divine Revelation is a gift, not a position to be argued into.
Post-fundamentals are a different thing.
No. No one. It is only an ill-formed view of the Catholic teaching that would expect anything else. No scientific "analysis" devised will reveal anything other than flour and water. That's not what Catholics mean by the "substance" that is changed.
If anyone expects anything different, they are ignorant of transsubstantiation. The host is transformed in a mysterious way: its essence changes, but not its appearance. So, by any scientific analysis, it will appear as ordinary bread.
There have been eucharistic miracles, but those are the exception, not the rule.
Thanks! I’ll make sure I’m more accurate the next time.
Yes, that is also a possibility and, as another poster has pointed out, one that is perhaps more consistent with His fundamental role as SAVIOR and JUDGE.
Being present in the consecrated host when it is desecrated is certainly a subset of “taking on the sins of the World.”
Most of the time the appearance of the consecrated host remains the same, but there have been a few exceptions. This website explains those miracles:
http://therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/a3.html
Scientific examination of these miracles has found that in all cases the blood type is the same, and that is the same blood type as is found on the Shroud of Turin.
This miracle (Lanciano - 8th century) in particular is truly amazing:
http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html
“Ancient Anxanum, the city of the Frentanese, has contained for over twelve centuries the first and greatest Eucharistic Miracle of the Catholic Church. This wondrous Event took place in the 8th century A.D. in the little Church of St. Legontian, as a divine response to a Basilian monk’s doubt about Jesus’ Real Presence in the Eucharist.
During Holy Mass, after the two-fold consecration, the host was changed into live Flesh and the wine was changed into live Blood, which coagulated into five globules, irregular and differing in shape and size.
The Host-Flesh, as can be very distinctly observed today, has the same dimensions as the large host used today in the Latin church; it is light brown and appears rose-colored when lighted from the back.
The Blood is coagulated and has an earthy color resembling the yellow of ochre.
Various ecclesiastical investigation (”Recognitions”) were conducted since 1574.
In 1970-’71 and taken up again partly in 1981 there took place a scientific investigation by the most illustrious scientist Prof. Odoardo Linoli, eminent Professor in Anatomy and Pathological Histology and in Chemistry and Clinical Microscopy. He was assisted by Prof. Ruggero Bertelli of the University of Siena.
The analyses were conducted with absolute and unquestionable scientific precision and they were documented with a series of microscopic photographs.
These analyses sustained the following conclusions:
The Flesh is real Flesh. The Blood is real Blood.
The Flesh and the Blood belong to the human species.
The Flesh consists of the muscular tissue of the heart.
In the Flesh we see present in section: the myocardium, the endocardium, the vagus nerve and also the left ventricle of the heart for the large thickness of the myocardium.
The Flesh is a “HEART” complete in its essential structure.
The Flesh and the Blood have the same blood-type: AB (Blood-type identical to that which Prof. Baima Bollone uncovered in the Holy Shroud of Turin).
In the Blood there were found proteins in the same normal proportions (percentage-wise) as are found in the sero-proteic make-up of the fresh normal blood.
In the Blood there were also found these minerals: chlorides, phosphorus, magnesium, potassium, sodium and calcium.
The preservation of the Flesh and of the Blood, which were left in their natural state for twelve centuries and exposed to the action of atmospheric and biological agents, remains an extraordinary phenomenon.”
The rest of the page at the link shows the scientific findings and photographs.
Why wait to convert? There are many miracles which have already occurred, there’s no need to wait for another one.
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